Saw the post about non blue badge employees getting excluded from our cafe benefits 😂 thought I would share the info again...basically as a cost cutting measure contractors have to pay 1.50 for a cup of fruit water 💧 🌸...Even amazon workers get free 🍌 🍌...how are contractors treated at other tech companies?
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- Samsung / Admin bigbossvpmoreContractors are second class citizens at most companies. I see that where I work and in many other companies including the GAMFA.
- ViaSat okeb30Being a FTE shouldn't give you license to be a dick to contractors. But they should be protective of the company and wary of contractor work.
Once you have had to bring in a contractor the FTEs are already in a bad position. Because they are hiring someone to do one off work that they may have to maintain after the contractor has checked out. And it is likely wirk slightly out of their wheel house which makes it harder to ensure the contractor is providing a good enough solution.
And for ever amazing contractor doing great work there are more bad ones waiting to leave you holding the bag and provide sub par work.
- New / Data AEbX28I remember when I was working as a "Long-Term Temp" at USPS for about 7 years - this was about 16 years ago now, so things may have changed since I left 9 years ago, did military service and managed to get a degree. But, back then, we made about half of what the regular FTE made, 1 hour of PTO per 40 hours of work, no other benefits, and we were terminated for 1 week every year, paying out any PTO, then "rehired" for another 358 days. The only reason they didn't just use "contractors" was because of the union requirements for benefits, pay increases, and other perks that were negotiated for anyone working for the USPS for a period of 360 days or longer.
I really look at it as no different than what it was back then - a cost saving measure by the business. It is no fun to be stuck in that position.Jun 16 4
- Microsoft cWww76I’m yet to see a contractor that writes a good quality code and doesn’t require detailed specification on how something should be implemented. In my experience, it is ok to assign contractors on isolated not that important projects, that can be thrown away or assigned to another contractor later. Otherwise, you would spend more time on reviewing contractor’s work than you do it yourself.
- Cisco / Eng RottenRobiEveryone is treated equally at Cisco - we all are second class citizens.
- SAP wmmpdRottenRobi, this is because treating contractors as FTEs, would mean, by law, that they ARE FTEs.
As the commentators below your comment said, companies have gotten into legal trouble and had to pay up because of this, so, for their benefit (and unfortunately, to the detriment of the contracted employee), they make sure the line of benefits and treatment of FTEs and contractors is very distinct.
Having said that, I don't think this should be a differentiator in inter-personal relations. This should not stop an FTE (or manager) from treating a contractor with respect.
- Microsoft KyJeLlYLol how much fruit water could contractors possibly be drinking? $100k worth per year?
The C-Suite at Intel must piss through that per month on useless shit anyway lol
- Microsoft delpFuck this contracting shit! This fucking corporate greed needs to be stopped! If you need somebody to work in your office 40 hours a week, that should be your employee and treated like that. I am disgusted at how all major companies treat the contractors and pretend it's because they are "not employees" yeah, they are 60% of your work force but get nothing out of it, even if they work for years and years.
- Google 1000quiz+1 I am totally against contractors, they can’t do the same job even as intern, it’s waste of resource
- So the fact that you Leetcoded a bit more makes you better than all contractors? Yeah, some of them are doing jobs like screening violent pictures, child pornography and similar and then get nothing for all the damages. There are also highly skilled ones who were put into dead end internal toolset shit and have gotten irrelevant overtime. Fuck you dude if you think by the virtue of memorizing leetcode answers, you are better at anything other than being a hardcopy of a website!Jun 16 19
- Tesla InmR60At Tesla we keep them in the basement and let them come out for fresh air for 5 dollars once a week
- Microsoft / Eng Goivenglav@IBM Microsoft and others will often only hire through these sleezy firms that pay much less. They often won’t hire an independent contractor. Perhaps this becomes the differentiating factor between consulting (where you make more for short term contribution) vs contractor (you’re there to do something of perceived lesser value but it’s necessary).
- Expedia / Data ediaMicrosoft is notorious for it. FTEs treat contractors really bad and tons of descrimination against them. I was an FTE there and surprised to see what was happening.
I heard similar stories from my friends at Intel too. Only that they felt great about how bad they treat their contractors. Its like my friend at Intel bragging about how they won't let contractors to touch something like a Coke. This kind of excessive high opinion of oneself is very toxic to a company since everyone is a contributor and working as hard as they can.
I moved to Expedia and I'm pleasantly surprised how we treat our employees. No visual distinction between ftes and contractors. Everyone has voice to pitch their idea. You wouldn't know if someone is an FTE or contractor unless you dig a few levels deep. Overall the culture at Expedia is welcoming no matter you are an fte, contractor or person of color.
- Expedia gVMe85While I agree Expedia does a good job with inclusion, you don't have to dig a few levels deep to find out if someone is a contractor.. They have the green stripe on their badge and have a prefix on their alias. I've also seen them be excluded from department wide swag and etc. I haven't seen people be shutdown in discussions based on their employment type though which is probably more important though
- The whole system of contractors is built on the foundation of discrimination, yet Microsoft and tech companies are shouting about diversity and inclusion and how they are pioneers in social justice!
- You clearly don't know enough, educate yourself. We have HR, admins, engineers, sales and support as FTE and contractor across all company. They see how the different they get treated just based on the color of the badge and not their actual delivery of value. No, they don't live in an imaginary bubble eitherQJun 18 1
- Two Sigma mermaidkWell. Benefit (including cafe) limitation may result from the lawsuit against Microsoft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp
- Facebook FSYS26Facebook actually does a great job on this. Contingent workers may not get indoor gym access, but the outdoor gym is great. Food is all the same. Bringing guests is the same, though it depends on the vendor/contractor company’s policy. Contingent workers aren’t excluded from all meetings like at other companies and they get most swag and can attend most events. Occasionally Boz writes a bullshit post about how he wishes contingent workers could join his AR/VR parties, which we all see through btw, but other than that, any anti-contingent sentiments is a product of douchey engineer culture born from their own social malaise and not company policy
- New qriH56As a contingent worker at Facebook I can say this is 90% true. Except we aren’t allowed to attend “All Hands” especially if you work in sales. But in my experience, my teams encourage me to attend and be apart of things I’m not supposed to (according to the company I’m contracted with.)
- Google thinknotGoogle provides food and drink services to TVCs. However, TVCs are not included in all-hands, off-sites, etc. This is likely due to drawing the line at contractor vs employee.
- Apple OshoLike a couple of people have pointed, this practice has stemmed from Microsoft lawsuit. Companies go to great lengths to differentiate between contractors and full-time employees, so that no one ever gets confused as who they are. I see nothing wrong in doing it because contractors are hired to achieve a specific purpose and they are totally isolated from consequences of success/failure of a project. They don’t need to provide you anything that is not explicitly called out in your contract.
- Expedia jenultraxContractors are second class citizens and visa workers are indentured servants; such is the way of the tech industry.
I’ve seen senior engineers who are of Indian ethnicity not speak out on bad leadership decisions because they’re afraid of getting fired and deported.
- This one thing that I truly love at Nvidia, every one having same $5 dinner subsidy including even security staff.. (not bothering to think about other things for now.. :))
- GoDaddy / IT fzop40moreIts always been like that. Google as well. What do you propose? Strike?
- Legally, contractors cannot be treated like employees, if they are this opens up the company issuing the contract to legal risk, i.e coemployment suits. That aside, this doesn’t mean FTE’s have to be dicks. At my company we differentiate between contractors and employees in a transparent and respectful manner. Contractors are treated well and many do get full time roles. And, when they convert their time as contractor counts towards their years of employment and benefits vesting/accruals. We even hot list contractors that leave for future contractor/FTE roles if they were good and their term came to an end with out a FTE role being available that they were a match for. We have alot of contract labor but it’s about as ethical as a contractor system can be in the legal environment that we operate in.
- Google OAoK43I didn't know about govo. I have absolutely hated the fact that their badges are "red" - which implies danger of some sort.