Interesting read re: suicide attempt @ Amazon

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Jan 20, 2018 23 Comments

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  • Cisco Inma
    I don't think people in America can handle pressure and hard work as well as in places like India, etc where hard work and stress are dealt with in stride. Feel sorry for the person but we need a culture that makes it easier to deal with stress rather than encourage luxuries and vacationing...
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    • Google / Eng Npje26
      My loony bun is fine Benny Lava
      Jan 20, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
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      I’m going to attempt to not be totally insulted by your comment and rather turn to the established labor studies. Look up work hours vs. vacation vs. productivity. Americans are near the top in terms of work ethic and near the bottom in terms of vacation. We work so many hours and take so few leisure time, that we’re actually not as productive as countries like Germany which also have strong work ethic, but work fewer hours and a big stress towards leisure. Even Japan takes more time off than Americans.

      Leisure and time off is critical to having better productivity and dealing with stress.
      Jan 20, 2018
    • Cisco Inma
      @deadbeef exactly what an American would say. Take more time off and more leisure time. Go back to work and hate it more. Enjoy your vacation and fun
      Jan 20, 2018
    • Microsoft Djikstra00
      The Amazon guy was Chinese I believe
      Jan 20, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
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      It’s absolutely not what an American would way. It’s what the labor studies say. Haven’t you noticed by now? Americans view these paid vacation and PTO countries as socialist slave ships. Lol. I mean, come on. We’ve got American exceptionalism blinders on.

      Your idea that we just need to learn how to handle stress better is about the least scalable and realistic suggestion ever if you aren’t already used to it. This is predominately a personality predisposition. I would argue most of the country already is this way. At least the parts I grew up in. And if you travel outside the techie bubble where people literally live paycheck to paycheck, you’ll find people who are very steely eyed and stoic, who work multiple jobs to make ends meet.

      Much of this country was built with a Calvinistic Puritan mindset. Its why our politics is the way It is. It’s what our founding fathers were like. So Americans can handle stress just fine if you ask me. They are in fact stressed out to the point that they’re very unhealthy and obese.
      Jan 20, 2018
  • Microsoft Rvvbppl
    Pip = picture in picture?
    Jan 20, 2018 1
    • Yahoo / Product vbmx
      performance improvement plan. aka you gonna get fired soon
      Jan 20, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

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    Imo culture/climate has improved significantly since that event. There are still a shit ton of PIPs though. A lot of them are for good reason, but there’s a sizable chunk that seem aimed at pushing out employees totally unrelated to their performance.
    Jan 20, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng 127.0.0.1
      Is the increase of PIPs related to the lowered hiring bar that I keep hearing about?
      Jan 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

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      There’s forced attrition of like 5-7%. Normally not a bad idea, but if you have a team of all stars, you’re going to have an all star PIPd.
      Jan 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Uvvvum
      5-7% is upheld at the VP level not the team level. If you have all stars on your team it pretty easy to argue that your team does not need LEs.
      At the 50+ level, it’s hard to not have a few people who is below the bar, our hiring process is far from perfect.
      Jan 20, 2018
  • Microsoft Trex85
    Sorry but Amazon isn’t the only one to have issues with suicides. Microsoft universal team as well as azure had 2 successful suicides both directly related to Microsoft and how they felt they were treated there. Why didn’t anyone hear about them in the media? 🤔
    Jan 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft McDonald
      News of suicide can entice others, they are suppressed for other reasons and not just because of transparency/media. There maybe many others contemplating the same, it May push them over the ledge. Each case is different and needs to be handled differently. These news are not meant to be sensationalised but rather down played to contain the damage to that employee, his family and others people who maybe in same situation.
      Jan 20, 2018
  • Expedia Iomb55
    I think suicides are rarely ever due to adversity. The underlying depression and anxiety that puts a negative bend on everything is more likely to blame. The adversity is just a confounding factor.

    What to do? Bring awareness to depression as an illness so people can be more likely to realize what hit them and seek help. Otherwise the negative thoughts make them believe it's all on them.
    Jan 20, 2018 1
    • Expedia DingoAteYo
      You’ve clearly never worked for a monstrosity if s company. I’m not prone to depression at all, and certainly not suicide, but just 2 months at a company that shall remain nameless sucked the life out of me. I quit without having a job lined up -there was no time to study for interviews.
      I was only able to do so because I had no family obligations, no children and zero other obligations. Now imagine someone who has to support a family in my place.
      Jan 20, 2018
  • Netflix Asdfghjklz
    Google had a couple successful suicides in 30 days at Tech Corners a few years back. No media. They did send out an email for one because the top floor of one building could see the ambulance and body loaded.
    Jan 24, 2018 0
  • Microsoft McDonald
    For God sake why bring a country into a question with such a post. Share your condolences/worries/thoughts for the person, take a pledge that you will ensure well being of people around you. Suicide is a big step for anyone, people around that person need to see what signs were apparent. Managers should help people choose new career paths or show upside of life in addition to just PIP
    Jan 20, 2018 0
  • New 200+bpm
    Who has the email the jumper sent?
    Feb 4, 2018 0

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