Should I join Facebook or LinkedIn for a software engineering internship?
At Facebook, I won’t know what team I’ll be on until I start. At LinkedIn, however, my offer is tied to a specific team.
I’ve also heard good things about the culture at both companies and like the two companies’ missions but I’m torn between the two.
Should I join Facebook or LinkedIn for a software engineering internship?
- Microsoft OsamaGatesFacebook. I hate to say it but this is a really stupid question.
- Why work for a loser? LinkedIn used to be a shit place.. in disguise of cool hot company like Google. They used to offer that cool aid to most people. Interns used to be showered with lots of perks which used to cause lots of noise (good for LI). And they probably still do.. if Nadella has not fixed them up yet.
But just consider why they are incompetent (their stock took a nose
dive and they later got acquired by msft):
- They used to charge ~$30/month for premium membership and in return offered garbage salary data on job listings... something probably derived (again using shitty algo) from Dept of Labor data from 10 years ago.
- UX sucked, same annoying post would hang on your news feed for months
- iOS apps sucked
- Notifications sucked... there were always shit ton of notifications hiding real ones, such as PMs.
- Big one: they got hacked
- Even bigger one: they got hacked hacked or got screwed hacked. heard that passwords were stolen, like plaintext passwords.
- Their recruiters often contact me and asks if I’d be willing to relocate to Bay Area? I usually don’t say this explicitly, but in my mind I’m like: why the hell they don’t have big enough balls (mindset and confidence) that they can make it happen instead of I will go there for the love of them.
In short they have burned investors money a lot and showering interns and employees with perks creating a Google type aura, without building a solid product. In my eyes they are very big losers. Agree, they built Kafka, and may be some more. But again that’s not enough if your main service/product sucks technically and financially.
So, I’m not surprised that its share plummeted and the incompetent CEO relinquished his bonus.
On the other hand FB is a winner and definitely you’ll earn good money.
But, the money matters aside, working for a juggernaut should feel really good comparing to working for a loser.
- Almost seems like you’re sour about something imo. Nothing about this random review seemed objective and really looks like it was personal. Anyway, enjoy the amazon cool aid and I hope you aren’t being mistreated like every other amazon engineer I’ve ever heard talk about the company culture but hey even if you are, the stocks doing well so never mind :)Nov 26, 2017 10
- For the record, I think op should choose Facebook coz I would’ve had in their place but a lot what this guy said is complete shit and untrue. Almost all the problems mentioned have been faced by all successful companies of today out there and it’s been quite a bad run for fb for example too in terms of bugs, the Russian intervention shit, feed being stale for days, irreverent notifications, etc. Let’s not even get started on amazon lolll (why would anyone even consider working there but for the stock?? And there’s plenty of other companies out there with good stock outlook as well as decent benefits, culture). It takes time to build a company and stuff like a well working feed and I do believe LinkedIn objectively has a good product now. We have problems/bugs but who doesn’t?Nov 26, 2017 7
- When did LI go public? How long do you need to mature with such huge investment especially on known issues and challenges?
Most of the problems listed above were there/happened within last two years. Some problems are still there. Those are known things, like preventing hacks, not losing user passwords, unlike Fake news at the scale of FB (this problem has not been solved by many yet like the LI problems).
- As a LI customer I paid for their service and got crap in return. My password got stolen. Do these things need to happen daily? So, they are in past tense.
The bigger problem is arrogance here instead of saying sorry and ACK-ing the problem, take responsibility, and commit to good engineering instead of saying everyone has bugs or it happened in the past. This will result in more problems in the future. This is how you lose trust and that don’t need to happen daily.
- About the hack, I would be extremely surprised if the leadership didn't address it properly. About the product issues, I believe that all your critics are related to previous versions. About our recruiters: they are nice people and on your side. Enjoy Amazon till you are lucky.
- Valid question. Objectively speaking, here are some things to consider and base your decision on. Based on first-hand experience and things I've heard through the grapevine
1) Your internship experience will depend on the team you get assigned to. In terms of learning, contributing, and most importantly, getting a return offer. In that respect, it's important to know what you'll be working on and with whom. I'm sure you'll be a competent intern no matter where, but some teams either at FB or LI work on things that are hard to contribute to as an intern. At LI, most interns get a returning offer (~80%). FB's percentage is quite a bit lower. Both are good in that you don't need conversion interviews like Google.
2) Facebook's intern conversion bonus. It's a lot of cash - I hear ~40% is taxed, but that's still a large lump sum for a returning new grad. New grad packages without the bonus are comparable for both FB and LI.
3) Culture hugely depends on the team but I hear FB is more collegial (like being in school, some late nights studying), but LI values WLB (feels more like a typical day job, which some people like). Honestly though, these companies have it so good that you shouldn't really worry and just be ready to learn and contribute :) These are the F and L of the acronym FLAG - both are big reputable companies.
- Sigh withholding, not taxes.
- Amazon pe9kq6Facebook, hands down. Remember that LinkedIn is really Microsoft under the covers.
- I can't believe that Facebook still gets away by not assigning a team at hiring time. As an intern it's probably fine. However, I can't believe that experienced engineers are just willing to join and cross fingers.
- Personally, I prefer to chose before I commit to a new job. And I'd like the hiring manager of that team to be willing to wait for me if I need a couple of months before I join. Unless all teams are hiring at the same time, there is a risk that I might end up somewhere that I don't like. Especially in locations other than the headquarter.
- Apple rndEulerLinkedin is pile of shit. You cannot learn anything there except for office politics.
- Absolutely Facebook. I did the same a few years ago, it was great.
- LinkedIn 2logit2qwtBoth are great companies. A few years ago lots of people were leaving LinkedIn for Facebook. In the last year, we’ve started seeing quite a few Facebook employees coming to LinkedIn.
My take is that you will be dealing with better infra at larger scale at Facebook, but you have a bigger chance at growing your career at LinkedIn since it’s a smaller company.
- Hi, I have worked at both. For an intern, I strongly recommend FB. From my observation, the interns at FB produce stronger work and are pushed to learn more. However, it's high-pressure and truly hard to get the mythical 100k signing bonus. LI is a great company to spend the middle third of your career at, but FB can't be beat for early growth.
PS, I currently work at FB but like to keep my anonymity :)