Internal Microsoft Offer vs Final Round Google

Microsoft pmsquared
Nov 8, 2018 35 Comments

Looking for advice!

Currently have an internal offer from Microsoft to move into a different PM role with a level bump and pay increase of about 8%.

However, I was previously contacted by Google and skipped straight to an on-site based on the hiring manager reviewing my resume along with my strong internal references there. They reached out this week told me the on-site feedback is “looking really good” and I have a “Final?” Phone call today with the Hiring Manager to “Discuss the role” aka make sure I’m not a tool.

Don’t want to accept internal, then external, and burn my bridge to ever return if needed which it seems like I would.

But also, I want out of my role and gambling is somewhat risky since either would be an improvement.

Is it risky to mention my Microsoft offer to Google? Initially I told them no timeline and no other offers because I had none, it came in from a previous interview cycle. Don’t want to come off as playing the field and getting denied from Google if I decline the internal move.

Anyone have any insight on what to say / do?

TC: 180k ish

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  • Microsoft pmsquared
    OP
    Oh and for reference. The internal offer is a 62 and the Google my senior friends said would likely be an L5. I have zero insight to what an L5 PM type role at google in Mountain View makes. So happy to hear if anyone knows.
    Nov 8, 2018 8
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Got asked salary expectation and said I wasn’t sure but also wasn’t sure this particular role could offer high enough. They said they’d see what they could do after interviews if I was made an offer. Only talk I had so far on comp. also was before I knew what level it was likely to be and the location, so now I kind of expect it to be solid.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Google Howes
      Comp range is very wide and mainly depends on competing offer.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Yeah downside to that is I’m east coast with way less cost of living currently and the offer is not wildly high
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Pinterest adspmm
      L5 should be $300K+
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Google Howes
      Cost of living is a big factor for candidate to consider, but unfortunately it’s not a key factor when we make offer. MTV gets a little more comp, but far less than the COL difference.
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Microsoft LeCar
    Why don't you be honest and tell your internal hm that you are interviewing in other places too and need a little time to decide.

    If I were in your place I would try my best to get the Google offer ASAP.
    Nov 8, 2018 3
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      This was the only external I did as I wasn’t looking to leave but got approached to work on basically my dream team at Google so took the chance and ended up getting to this stage.

      If I tell the hiring manager or recruiter to try to expedite things I worry it’ll make me come across as playing the options for more money etc and get a deny
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Amazon bQsO34
      You are overthinking. As a rule of thumb, you should be the one innthe driver's seat when it comes to your choices. If they want you trust me they will make it happen.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Blkman
      Try to expedite the google process. They can. Also, I wouldn’t worry about burning bridges in this case. Take the internal transfer. If a google offer comes along, take it. It’s a business. They will find a candidate when u leave.
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Google Uvor31
    Google l5 >>> Ms 62 comp wise.
    Nov 8, 2018 6
    • Google Uvor31
      No idea how pm compares, but an l5 swe at G could trivially end up with 2x comp of a 62 swe at MS.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Yeah I just looked and saw a bunch of ladders at Google not just the basically same levels but different ranges Microsoft has. No idea what it would be just was told likely around L5 from friends in that org.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Google Uvor31
      IMO wait for the results with the G interview, and just try to delay the internal transfer. Make up something. Or just go through with the transfer and cross that bridge when you get to it. But overall, there is a very high likelihood you can end up with a much higher total comp.

      And FWIW, the PMs I with with at G seem way happier then the ones I worked with when I was at MS.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Just based on the team members I met on my on-site the team is exactly what I want. If I get the G offer I would take it unless I go down in income after cost of living. I’ve got about 1 more week to decide on the MS one so from what I’ve heard basically no way I get my Google offer first if I get one.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Sexybeast
      That much more??? What is the typical salary (with breakdown, please!) of L62 in Microsoft and L5 in Google?
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Boeing / Ops Airbus
    Does microsoft value pmp?
    Nov 8, 2018 2
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      PMP cert? Optional for SPM roles.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft OtpG12
      Big pmping
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Uber / Eng oNatenOw
    If it's anything like the SWE interview experience, you are still at leasy a month away from a formal offer at Google. Hiring committee and more committees after before you get your contract.
    Nov 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Yeah I figured 2-4 weeks based on what my senior friends said over there who did this similar role process recently
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng æ
    Google's hiring committee doesn't consider internal offers, so the only way for you to leverage the Microsoft offer against Google is to take it.
    Nov 8, 2018 4
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Interesting.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng æ
      Also, their hiring committee takes a very long time to land you in a spot. If you say, "I need some time", it could be up to two months. You're best to take the internal offer and move if you want Google later
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      I’d imagine if I do that I completely burn the ability to return to Microsoft later by taking a position, likely starting it for 1-2 weeks, then leaving.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng æ
      If you're worried about burning the bridge and don't want the leverage then you can definitely say something along the lines of,

      "I have been through a few rounds of interviews, and have a few more to go. Currently, your offer is the most enticing, but to be fair to myself and the other hiring managers, I would like to complete those before I make my final decision."

      Then say due to the process, and timing around the holidays, you will likely need up to a month to decide.
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Microsoft aesf02
    How long ago did you interview for the Microsoft role? How long are they giving you to make a decision? Can you ask for more time?
    Nov 8, 2018 2
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Interviewed two weeks ago.
      Offer last week. Really quickly.
      They really want me - so I think I have two weeks which I believe is standard.
      Nov 8, 2018
    • Microsoft eWji22
      If they really want you I think they will give you more time once they notice you are not
      accepting it in two weeks
      Nov 8, 2018
  • Microsoft eWji22
    I was in a similar situation. I asked for more time at MSFT and I told Google about the deadline. And I got more time at Microsoft and Google speeded up my process a lot. Don't burn the bridges. Just tell them you want to make a stable decision and you need more time. Be polite and keep it professional and it'll work out.
    Nov 8, 2018 1
    • Microsoft pmsquared
      OP
      Did you tell the G recruiter or hiring manager, and at what stage in the process?
      Nov 9, 2018

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