Is Apple a top tier company for Software Engineering, evaluating an offer?

Autodesk dLTC52
Mar 13 28 Comments

Got an offer 160/140/30 for ICT3 in Apple Media Products team. Don't have competing offers to negotiate much.

How is engineering talent, culture, WLB, refreshers etc. at Apple compared to Facebook, GOogle, Uber etc. Please advise.

YOE: 4
Tc:220K

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  • Amazon Melgizecci
    i personally prefer Apple over facebook, amazon and netflix.
    Mar 13 7
    • Glassdoor eee3
      Netflix is great if you love the rush in finding out every week if you still have a job and who got fired today
      Mar 13
    • Spotify 56hgtYlA
      @eee3 speaking from experience?
      Mar 13
    • Glassdoor eee3
      Yes
      Mar 13
    • No shame eee3 not everyone stays on the Olympic team
      Mar 13
    • Lol. Calling a video streaming service Olympic team
      Mar 29
  • Amazon xydpuf
    Apple is top tier for certain kinds of software (OS Compiler Tools Chipset Software Storage).

    Apples cloud and Siri unit is acquiring expertise rapidly and hiring lot of experts.

    It is not good yet for Service oriented culture. No company is as good as Amazon at that though
    Mar 13 1
    • Autodesk dLTC52
      OP
      Agree, but Amazon shits the bed in WLB, pay, and culture as per Blind posts here.
      Mar 13
  • Apple RcvW67
    Apple is a hardware company. You will see plenty of contractors and naive engineers in software and most probably you will not develop any new skills( specially if you are already on experienced side).
    Culture can be very toxic. Highly depends on the org and manager but have seen many unhappy employees.

    In comparison to other companies, there is very limited career growth opportunities. For example they do their best not to send you to any conference, they don’t want to pay you attend workshops, take courses, etc.

    Your compensation is also low compared to YOE. You can go much higher on RSU (300) and sign on (50).

    If yo I decide to join, take as much as you can; no guarantee on bonuses. I have seen plenty of people getting zero or very little (3-4K) bonus in our org.
    Mar 28 1
    • Apple / Eng
      iHateFruit

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      All of this is true, can confirm
      Mar 28
  • I hear refreshers at Apple are better than F/G

    Engineering talent is team specific because there’s no centralised bar, but in general it’s comparable to Uber Microsoft Amazon, slightly lesser than FNG

    WLB is also team dependent. I feel it’s much better than amazon and Facebook in general.

    Culture is not very open. You either like it or don’t. I find it alright
    Mar 13 0
  • Apple 91ZD70H4I7
    @OP Apple is only good for resume for SWE unless you are working on iOS or HW. If you role is internal/supporting tool for Media that you won’t learn much. As far WLB goes I find it depends on team to team. Refresher some groups/orgs get good refresher 50-100k. I wouldn’t count on it unless someone from product media say so... IMHO apple is HW company if you have offer from FGULAirbnbANZN those are real SW companies you will learn lot when comparing to Apple... Apple is just brand that all..
    Mar 13 1
    • Apple / Eng
      iHateFruit

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      Apple is definitely not a real SW company for sure
      Mar 14
  • Amazon xydpuf
    As per the job level you seem like a junior. In these formative stages it is important to surround yourself with people who are good at what they do.

    So generally go to the place where you can learn more.

    This is the level where you are allowed to make tons of mistakes and learn a lot.
    Mar 14 0
  • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
    Nope. GNFAA in that order
    Mar 13 2
    • Autodesk dLTC52
      OP
      Assuming AA is Apple, Amazon? where's Uber, Lyft, Airbnb?
      Mar 13
    • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
      Those are startups and have their own advantages and disadvantages to join. You are looking at virtual stocks vs real money.
      Mar 17
  • Adobe
    fros

    Adobe

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    Intuit, Autodesk
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    Keep a left Sucker
    frosmore
    Side note, are you ok with switching to Apple for a lower TC?
    Mar 13 1
  • Amazon / Eng :!
    140k rsu for 4 yrs?
    Mar 13 1
  • Apple / Eng
    iHateFruit

    Apple Eng

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    Not top tier at all
    Mar 14 0
  • Microsoft
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    All slightly worse than your companies (except WLB when compared to FB) but not much. Congrats
    Mar 13 3
    • Autodesk dLTC52
      OP
      Is it better than Microsoft, Linkedin you think?
      Mar 13
    • Microsoft
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      Microsoft yes except wlb, LinkedIn maybe not (free food 🔑)
      Mar 13
    • Microsoft
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      Also idk about Apple’s refreshers but I’ve heard on here they’re good
      Mar 13