Is Apple not FANG level?

Anthem tusla
Jan 13 26 Comments

Sometime I see people mentioning Apple as not being at the same level as Facebook, amazon, google or even Netflix for that matter.

Also don’t see people fantasizing getting into the company same as rest of the companies mentioned above.

Is the tech stack, quality of techies not at the same level or hiring bar is considerably lower, which makes it easy to get in?

Thoughts?

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TOP 26 Comments
  • Autodesk vCLg47
    FANG was the initial term that Jim Cramer originated when all Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google stocks were soaring, but then Apple stocks performed really well and Jim thought APPL is a great long term buy hence he respun the term to FAANG.

    Do I think if Apple is at the same level of FANG in terms of tech stack, engineering pool etc.
    - I think FNG has a different tier altogether but Apple > Amazon for pay, wlb, benefits and the engineering pool differs team to team e.g. IS&T at Apple is a terrible eng department to work for but Apple Media Products has some of the smartest engineers in the valley.
    Jan 13 4
    • Anthem tusla
      OP
      Thanks, Why do you you think FNG is at a different level than AA? I feel, expect the pay at Netflix, it’s not as prestigious as F&G.
      Jan 13
    • Autodesk vCLg47
      Overall the hiring bar at FNG is higher amongst FAANG, having said that there are teams at Apple & Amazon where the hiring bar is much tougher.
      Jan 13
    • Amazon t8g5r
      Pay and benefits maybe but you're absolutely NUTS if you think WLB is better at Apple than at Amazon. WLB is worse at Apple than pretty much any other big tech.
      Jan 13
    • Facebook / Eng instandidl
      Netflix is tier 0.
      Fb and Goog tier 1.
      Apple/amazon tier 2.
      Jan 14
  • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
    Lol Apple sucks.
    Jan 13 3
  • Amazon t8g5r
    FANG is a phrase created by Cramer to describe internet stocks that at that time were high growth.

    Is Apple an internet stock? Not really. Apple is a mobile phone and hardware company though it does cross over a bit with things like Apple TV and such.

    So the answer to your question is no, but the question doesn't mean what you thought.
    Jan 13 2
    • Rakuten iuUh62
      Would a better question be. Is Apple a Tier 1 company?
      Jan 13
    • Anthem tusla
      OP
      @iuUh62 - it can be phrased as you mentioned too
      Jan 13
  • Facebook / Eng jvieme
    MAGA is the way to go. Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Apple
    Jan 14 0
  • New NSpi43
    Apple is shit. You have to pay for the fruit at apple park - it is a joke
    Jan 14 0
  • New lousy
    They pay less on average, check http://levels.fyi
    Jan 14 0
  • Hehe
    Jan 13 0
  • Apple / Eng
    iHateFruit

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    Apple is not at FNG level. It is better than Amazon
    Jan 16 3
    • Anthem TC !
      Why do you say that?
      Jan 20
    • Apple / Eng
      iHateFruit

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      Based on what I saw, the engineering talent isn’t as strong at Apple as FNG.

      I was on a team that had extremely poor coding standards (not IS&T). One of our lead developers pushed code to master with a portion of it completely commented out that he had refactored. Other apps like iTunes and Podcasts have massive amounts of technical debt from poor design decisions. Our internal tools are also piss.

      I can go on, but that’s the trend I saw. Apple is overrated for software engineering.
      Jan 20
    • Anthem TC !
      Thanks, how do you rate Apple Pay?
      Jan 20
  • Apple / Eng Apple Park
    I think it’s based on how pervasive your tech is in the world.

    Say what you want based on the stock performance, Apple still makes good products and it’s not because our Engineers suck. Who else has their hardware, software and features routinely ripped off by the rest of the industry (and beyond)? Who makes hardware and software that has a higher level of customer satisfaction and loyalty?
    Jan 13 2
    • New ftUY50
      I’d agree, but it’s becoming less and less so. Momentum isn’t on Apples side and that influences perception.
      Jan 13
    • Anthem tusla
      OP
      Looks like launching some new services will definitely diversify. And somehow, this stock crash and rift will benefit Apple in a way that it comes out of the cocoon and build something innovative and stun the world again :)
      Jan 13
  • Intel / Eng
    LaLa🥦🖕

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    Apple is not alone and Amazon also sucks.. FNG are different league.
    Jan 13 0
  • Aurora bystander!
    They are coming (with pitchforks)!
    Jan 13 0
  • Anthem tusla
    OP
    But hiring bar doesn’t necessarily dictate tier 1, does it? Just trying to understand!!
    Jan 13 0