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Is FB a sinking ship?

Google / Engjwjshvyrja
Dec 20, 2018

I'm interviewing at FB soon. But news have been negative lately. I heard employee morale is very low.

If FB give XX% more money, is still worth joining?
How much XX make you willing to go to FB?
Is there any chance of a Facebook comeback?

L5 SWE, TC 300k

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  • Facebook / Engcppatfb
    Wtf do you mean by morale? Nobody here gives a shit about nyt. From a business stand point, none of our numbers are declining. In fact all going up. So I don't know what this morale means or how it has any influence on you. It's an imaginary perception you are creating in your head. Do you think employees are sitting at their desks depressed over media? Most are thinking what is on the menu for lunch, or how can I create impact.
    Dec 20, 201838
    • Twitch nonezo
      I literally spoke to a FB employee friend to today about this. Yes, morale is low. It sucks to be the target of lots of negative media.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Yelp hQFr23
      Stock price is also going up. LOL
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Oliver Wyman / EngllllIIll
      What’s a Facebook?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • After reading your arrogant article, I deleted my Facebook account. Have a great lunch and a great life, Facebooker!
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon dotard
      Facepalm

      Cash flow, debt ratio, working capital position, roe, margins... None of which have materially changed

      Fundamental analysis is the core of value investing, the prescribed method of historys most successful investor, Warren buffet.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google usurper
      The business is not strong. Facebook is going the way of MySpace very soon
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google / Mgmtceng
      Idiot @dotard - learn about fundamentals first, turd.

      Did you know revenue from Europe tanked after GDPR? Go read Q3 earnings, dimwit. Then estimate the impact to revenue if something like GDPR passes in the US.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Engsciendisd
      That time of the month ceng?
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Amazon dotard
      😂
      Dec 21, 2018
    • EagleView Technologies / R&D
      klokov

      EagleView TechnologiesR&D

      BIO
      C++17 greater than the rest
      klokovmore
      You work on a C++ team at FB?
      Jan 7
  • Uber kisht
    Come to Uber. I moved from Google to Uber, it's pretty good for growth.
    Dec 20, 201828
    • New / Eng
      so po

      NewEng

      BIO
      Eng at Hyper Anna
      so pomore
      I don't think Facebook or Uber are sinking ships, but working for them is seen as a negative thing. People are embarrassed about telling people they work there.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Shopify / Mgmt
      iJo63ijdA

      ShopifyMgmt

      PRE
      Apple
      iJo63ijdAmore
      "If you have some experience in the industry, you would know how things are."

      So I basically read that as "there is always sexual harassment in tech, get used to it."

      That's a really shitty stance to take. But not surprising if you work at a company with internal problems like Uber.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • I dropped FB once I got into Uber. Working on a product I wasn’t excited about and hardly use myself didn’t feel right.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google usurper
      People are embarrassed to say they work at Google too. No innovation, declining product quality, just brute force into markets because we have ad money coming out our ears.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Uber taxify
      Naaaa ex-Googler, so long since Google grew in users that you don't know what grow means
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook / EngCarmine
      Used to work at Uber. Decided I didn’t want to sleep with my skip anymore in hopes for a promotion and joined FB instead. Best decision of my life and now I’m leveling up this half based on my work performance and not how I perform in the bedroom.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Uber Sentinel
      Facebook is the most politically toxic dysfunctional idiotic place. Regardless of the money thrown at you, do yourself a favor and stay the fuck away. Leadership is pathetic and incompetent. This company is about to be regulated and broken up.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • New / Eng
      monai

      NewEng

      BIO
      Eng at Hyper Anna
      monaimore
      Facebook (no competition) will last long past Uber (lots of well funded competition)
      Dec 21, 2018
    • VMware Kdhdhxb
      I thought there was a news that google paid millions as parting gift to sexually accused employee. At least Uber fired their CEO
      Dec 22, 2018
    • Google / Engjwjshvyrja
      OP
      Only when they are higher-ups and sexually abusing direct reports. LOL. Not that I will, but I don't have one.
      Dec 22, 2018
  • Cisco Cisco Roxx
    Yes it is sinking.
    Dec 20, 201816
    • Autodesk killerbeez
      Thanks Cisco!!!
      Dec 20, 2018
    • LinkedIn CCsf57
      What does Cisco do? The old desktop work telephones are vanishing.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon tdubya
      Man yall are cold blooded in here
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook parch
      Lol Cisco of all people
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Autodesk killerbeez
      FB is dead, try Instagram...er...WhatsApp...err..............
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook is sinking in a way like Netscape ...
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Twitch AvFY05
      > What does Cisco do?

      Home automation, DNS appliances, software defined networks, global networking gear, firewalls, packet analysis, everything?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Cisco / Engboombkkm
      Everything you mentioned and even more. Hyper converged Infrastructure, Hybrid cloud network! Moreover it won’t be part of a scandal involving user privacy!
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng435
      “Hyper converged infrastructure” lol, holy combination of buzzwords Batman!
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Cisco / Engboombkkm
      Ha ha yup!!
      Dec 21, 2018
  • Amazon TankBab
    Think about this...Google, despite their issues, actually helps the world in many ways. What does FB do that actually helps the world? Can you really work there and make money knowing that what you would be building would be exploiting and selling people's information?
    Dec 20, 201822
    • Vlocity FTJU
      Amazon folks should be the last people to shit on FB. It actually empowers a lot of small businesses that Amazon is essentially killing. I personally know at least 5 people running their business through FB. A ton of money is being raised on FB for causes too. Google also collects information, a lot more than Facebook. Wonder why it is not under the same kind of scrutiny.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Vlocity FTJU
      @Tankbab who told you FB sells people's information? It's not a data broker. You don't understand how FB and Google work. Ever Heard of lexis Nexis? Those are the kind of companies actually SELLING your data.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New / Engladka
      Facebook helps people connect. Why is that bad? They use your private info to show you the right ads. Why is that bad?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • JUUL lYhT50
      Says the guy working for Amazon...
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Microsoft Lhgomie
      Facebook keeps other better products from coming to market.

      And who said they don't sell your data? Are you serious?
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      Says the guy working for JUUL...
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Salesforce XiVW21
      Yea JUUL guy/gal...you’re going straight to hell...how do you feel getting kids addicted to poison?
      Dec 21, 2018
    • JUUL lYhT50
      I feel great! This Porsche goes really fast
      Dec 22, 2018
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      You enjoy having to nurse a nicotine addiction that will lead to heart disease, mental illness, and other circulatory issues down the road?
      Dec 22, 2018
    • Microsoft Lhgomie
      Oh please nicotine isn't any worse than caffeine. The juul and vaping in general is already saving lives of former smokers.

      If you want to be angry, be angry at cigarette manufacturers.
      Dec 23, 2018
  • Google zndT21
    Join FB, grab some good rsu at heavy discount. If things don't improve in a year, bounce back to G. If FB stock recovers, enjoy your high tc or leverage that to get an even better offer at G.
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Google / Mgmtceng
      Lol mercenary spotted!
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google / Engjwjshvyrja
      OP
      That sounds like a good plan, but won't work as good as you would've thought. G is getting too big, that it is not afraid of losing candidate to competitors. They are not even bothered with attrition, as they can hire someone new cheaper
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon SmartMoney
      OP that sounds like Amazon. Except we are bleeding senior engineers
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google UJBa23
      OP I think he meant go to FB then come back in one year and negotiate a new contract with G based on your higher compensation at FB. This can be done (caveat: you will have to redo the whoooooole interview process)
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Cisco Cisco Roxx
    Honestly OP I would stay at google. ALL this bad news coming out cant be good for FB. And can you really support a douchebag named Zuckerberg?
    Dec 20, 201810
    • SecureWorks / Eng
      EUE1337

      SecureWorksEng

      BIO
      Security solution architect
      EUE1337more
      Anti-Semite
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Cisco Cisco Roxx
      Fuck off
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Sephora BwFC00
      Oh wait, but you work at fb right? Jk, Damn cisco sucks
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Cisco PJlr03
      Really? I think Cisco rocks
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New / Product
      how to say

      NewProduct

      PRE
      Amazon, Microsoft
      how to saymore
      What is the problem with that name? Can you elaborate?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New / EnglIGk88
      I think "Cisco" is the problem in that name
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New txTT67
      Who wanna go Cisco 🤣I don’t
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      Cisco is a kiss of death on interviews. You better like it there because you aren't getting anywhere near FB.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Cisco B-Intern
      He may not work for Cisco anymore like I don’t anymore. Who wants to work for Cisco nowadays? Lol
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New / EnglIGk88
      For some people Cisco "roxxx" . And they work at Cisco
      Dec 20, 2018
  • FB ads still print money, and instagram is killing it. they will bounce back from the media shitstorm.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Google vHoL03
    Fucking no lol

    Talk to anyone in college rn, fb is the basis of all social interaction. Only people who say it’s a sinking ship have no social lives.
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Amazon Ljnuhb
      Did you just graduate from college???
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng
      pycharm

      OracleEng

      PRE
      Stealth Worker
      BIO
      Control over your own life is an illusion.
      pycharmmore
      And that gives it a $400B valuation? Because it lets college kids talk to each other? LOL
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Microsoft PM37B
      Wrong. Most college students don’t use Facebook except for their parents. It’s MomBook for a reason. High school students use it even less. They are all over on Snapchat and some on IG. FB internal data says their average user age is rising and heavy users are 40+. That’s why FB bought IG. But that won’t last either. Both will fade for something newer and cooler. That’s the real threat to FB.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      brownrice

      AppleEng

      PRE
      Amazon
      brownricemore
      What kinda lame ass college are you from? Fb is definitely not for young people, it’s filled with rotting old farts
      Dec 21, 2018
  • Amazon PurpleHaze
    Yeah, FB is losing to IG like crazy... oh wait
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Nvidia NPhh7
      Isn't it two sides of the same coin. Either way the pop "FB" wins.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Uber newuber
      Damn Nvidia you Soo smart
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon
      teardrop.c

      Amazon

      BIO
      hi2u
      teardrop.cmore
      Swoooooooosh@Nvidia
      Dec 23, 2018
    • Twilio TechBrunch
      🤦‍♀️
      Dec 27, 2018
  • Stripe :wave:
    You should interview at Stripe.

    One of our operating principles is called, “The Frontpage Test”. It basically means, “if what you were doing landed on the front page of The New York Times, how would it make the company look?” This is our version of “don’t be evil”, and it’s absolutely still true today.

    People are genuinely very nice.
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Facebook / Engdnpm23
      Whether it looks good depends on how they choose words and facts, not necessarily what you do.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon Huhsghs
      Can you refer me?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google usurper
      Yes because payments are so exciting
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New
      HShv56

      New

      PRE
      WP Engine, Computer Services (CSI)
      HShv56more
      How's the Google pay team doing?
      Jan 3
  • Google / Eng
    ywfB31

    GoogleEng

    PRE
    Motorola
    BIO
    🤖
    ywfB31more
    My observation is that most folks don't give a damn about new details regarding privacy violations. In fact almost nobody is aware of what's going on. When I shared news a typical response was pretty predictible: "oh no, that's horrible" + carry on as usual.

    So no, people don't give a damn.
    Dec 20, 20183
    • Mozilla jKlr27
      That’s just your social circle. Facebook’s privacy breaches has stirred up a national and global conversation about privacy. I don’t think it’s safe to say that the entire nation doesn’t care just because your acquaintances don’t.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google usurper
      @Mozilla you overestimate the general population's ability to:
      1. Understand what's going on
      2. Care at all

      Just look at America. We voted for Trump because we agreed with racist posts on Facebook from Russian trolls. We are not a smart country.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google bodhis
      @Usurper You just proved the point that you don't understand how the general population thinks and wants. If they behave like you and your friends, Trump will never get elected. But he did.
      Dec 21, 2018
  • Oath pfqy46
    I don’t think FB is a sinking ship. The employees are chum as ever. FB has created a kind of brand value for itself that even if 5000 engineers decide to quit, another set of equally capable 5000 engineers are ready to interview and replace them.
    Dec 20, 20181
    • Google / Eng
      rQsc13

      GoogleEng

      PRE
      Qualcomm
      rQsc13more
      I bet that's great for culture
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Microsoft Hyad70
    Water is warm at Microsoft
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Google / Eng
      ywfB31

      GoogleEng

      PRE
      Motorola
      BIO
      🤖
      ywfB31more
      That.. doesn't necessarily mean anything good...

      But on the serious note I love what happened to Ms after balmer disappeared.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Mgmt
      DEPk35

      AmazonMgmt

      PRE
      Capital One
      DEPk35more
      That’s just the MSFT guys peeing in the pool.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google 500513
      I love MS research though and their new hardware likes are really good like the surface book etc. Kudos to them. I feel MS went though a rough patch but are now coming out of it. On the flipside Apple etc are about to enter their rough patch...
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Amazon / EngmrAmaze
      Agreed. A few years ago, Microsoft didn’t seem like a very appealing company, but Satya Nadella has really turned them around. I’m a huge fan of Apple products, but right now I’m way more bullish on Microsoft for the long term.
      Dec 23, 2018
  • Microsoft waesrdtf
    Come on people. You are in tech for a reason so think beyond the current situation. Facebook will go through its problems for the next 12 months. I’m predicting this. But it will come back out on top and be stronger and better.

    There are valuable lessons they have to learn internally but as tech people we know that all the other stuff is BS. Politically charged as well. NYT and all the other major newspapers need tech people to review before they post.

    Facebook will be fine. Go to Facebook. Learn and grow.
    Dec 20, 20183
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      You need to believe in the company you work for - helping them achieve their goals. I see FB as a tool that ruins lives... creates people addicted to Likes and such...dumming down of people. And not just our youth
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Bloomberg hP8nVt
      People are pissed they helped Trump win. That's why
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Really. You believe that? bTW. Why don't the Dems ever speak about the content of the emails that the Russians and Chinese stole?
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    LeeJaeDong

    GoogleEng

    PRE
    Amazon
    LeeJaeDongmore
    Amazon didn’t sink after 2015 and Uber didn’t sink after 2017.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Amazon TncD03
    The new growth in Facebook is going to be in AR/VR, Facebook TV, monetizing WhatsApp for mobile payments and enterprise use cases. I think you will learn a ton on how to build large scale applications securely by detecting threats - whats real vs fake stories - loads of new investments in security side. There is energy and excitement at Facebook campus all the time. You should try asking for a higher TC. In short you should consider FB.
    Dec 20, 20182
    • Facebook OLYJ62
      Agree, I will probably add also marketplace to the list above
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      That waste of space marketplace tab...

      Is fb trying to be the new craigslist or nextdoor? Not going to end well even for mombook.
      Dec 21, 2018
  • BlackBerry
    GrumpYVet

    BlackBerry

    BIO
    Putin is my bitch
    GrumpYVetmore
    That’s nonsense. Facebook is sharing/selling information with Amazon. When I see Amazon ads on my Facebook app they show me the books that I have viewed in the past. It’s truly creepy
    Dec 24, 20187
    • Sephora BwFC00
      You mean how google targets ads too? It’s called cookies. And here i thought i couldnt expect any less from blackberry - Another poster from a company that i thought had already gone bankrupt.
      Dec 24, 2018
    • BlackBerry
      GrumpYVet

      BlackBerry

      BIO
      Putin is my bitch
      GrumpYVetmore
      I was responding to chromeo@Facebook. Now fuck off!
      Dec 25, 2018
    • Facebook chromeo
      Again, seems like people just don’t understand the basics of ads and ads targeting.

      We don’t sell data to Amazon. Many companies sell the ability to track and retarget people for ads. When you drop on a product page owned by a third party, that event can be recorded using a Facebook owner pixel. The third party can use Facebook’s ads systems to tell it to serve ads to people who’ve visited product pages to serve ads for that product.

      Facebook knows the user and the page but that granular data of the individual is never exposed to advertisers. The behavior and pool of users is exposed to advertisers as an option but we don’t sell the data.

      Anyway, it’s kind of ridiculous, isn’t it? If you visit Amazon, then they already know exactly what you’re doing when it comes to browsing and buying products on their site.

      We have zero incentive to sell any data to them. Think about it: If that really is where our value is as a company, how long would we be relevant if we sold the data? It would quickly be owned by everyone after we sold it and then it would be game over. Anyway, that data only serves utility insofar as it’s used to serve ads on FB.
      Dec 25, 2018
    • BlackBerry
      GrumpYVet

      BlackBerry

      BIO
      Putin is my bitch
      GrumpYVetmore
      Dec 25, 2018
    • Sephora seniorswe
      Speaking of hard sells, how dem dollar store blackberry sales coming along?
      Dec 25, 2018
    • Facebook chromeo
      Like I said above:

      1) Inaccurate reporting by NYTimes (note all the other media entities are referring to the NYT report). NYT is spinning a negative narrative to portray FB in a bad light.

      2) Your average person doesn’t know how platforms and technology like OAuth work. You’re the perfect example.

      Any platform feature built after 2010 was reviewed by the FTC. Not only that, but these features were widely announced, reviewed and scrutinized back when they were launched over half a decade ago between 2010 and 2012. We literally showed these integrations to the world at F8.

      The stuff about not getting user permissions is inaccurate reporting. Note the NYT hasn’t actually shared any proof. This has also been denied by companies like Spotify and Netflix.

      But it plays into the narrative of people who already hate FB so people like you take it at face value.
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Google sunnyvale8
      Facebook, stop trying to make some syntac arguments. If users believe you sell user data, then you do. Its for users to define the syntax. Not you. You sound more and more like Trump trying to justify his nonsense.
      Dec 28, 2018
  • Amazon TankBab
    Evil company...no question..don't join them and leave if you are there. Your long term prospects are bad.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • If anything, this is the best time to join and get a heavy discount on equity.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Facebook SNox54
    Even if it’s a sinking ship, it will take 20 years to sink. Not 1 week, 1 month or 1 year, but attests 20 years
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Facebook peetcode
      Nope may be 5 years or 8 years but not less than 3.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • VMware / Eng
      ?’h2!,

      VMwareEng

      PRE
      Veritas Software, Symantec, Dell
      BIO
      Nope!!
      ?’h2!,more
      The same was said for Gateway, packbell, yahoo, myspace, AOL and many many more. Here one day gone the next, in this business the only guarantee is change.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Pinterest Jon snow ❄
      It didn’t take yahoo 20 years. For social media companies, death could be faster.
      Dec 22, 2018
    • Umm 20 years no way! I was thinking maybe 3 years.
      Dec 23, 2018
  • Airbnb / EngqPVd08
    I’d have expected more pragmatism from the tech group, but it seems everyone here is just as easily swept up in the media pariah as the general public. You need to be able to zoom out and see these things from a five or ten year view. The company will be fine long-term, and you’re getting that stock at an outstanding p/e when you look at their revenue growth. Now is the perfect time to join.
    Dec 21, 20182
    • Snapchat BareMarket
      That’s cuz at AirBnB you guys screen for perspective as part of ur culture interviews. So you’re always surrounded by people who have a wider perspective, on average

      The hard part is waiting 5 to 10 years for the rally again. With a potential recession incoming, it’s prolly better to pick something more stable and return later.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Microsoft trthhhheee
      Perhaps people are aware of this and trying to take out the competitors from joining FB.
      Dec 21, 2018
  • Facebook / Engdelete[]
    Haters gonna hate.
    Dec 20, 20184
    • Broadcom Ltd. rFkd21
      Haters gonna hate companies undermining democracies.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Facebook / Other
      ParrotBug

      FacebookOther

      PRE
      Google
      ParrotBugmore
      When Obama won, it was helping democracy. When it's Trump, it's undermining. Fucking double standards everywhere.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Broadcom Ltd. rFkd21
      Ehh, new evidence draws new conclusions.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Facebook chromeo
      Lol. He got you. 😆
      Dec 24, 2018
  • Facebook / Data
    Lolbot

    FacebookData

    PRE
    Criteo, MediaMath
    Lolbotmore
    No - bad news cycle doesn’t mean the product doesn’t work. Business is solid and there are no signs of that changing.

    I joined about two years ago, and while I wish stock were higher and news wasn’t constantly negative, I still love working here (I’m at Insta which might bias me though).
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Facebook chromeo
    This thread is pretty eye opening in terms of knowing how many people are able of critical thinking vs those swayed by media.

    I agree people should work on a product they believe in. I still use FB, IG and Messenger to connect with friends and family every day. Just yesterday I saw my old coworker had her first child, planned dinner with old friends and read about another friend who miscarried.

    Any technically savvy person knows we don’t sell user’s data (as it would never be in our business interest to do so) and that we sell ads. More technically savvy people would understand how OAuth and Platform works. Your average techie doesn’t remember what the product landscape was like 5-10 years ago when everyone was building platforms as a way to have platforms integrate with one another.

    But I get it. I used to be a big fan of NYTimes and often thought it one of the few trusted sources of news that would give an unbiased view of the world. The repeated inaccurate, agenda-driven articles has shown me just how biased their reporting is. I used to laugh at all the Business “Insider” articles that used sensationalism to generate page views but NYTimes has followed suit. At least wannabe media entities like Buzz Feed have an excuse.

    I agree that if you don’t believe there’s value in connecting people, you shouldn’t work here. If you’re easily swayed by media portrayals, you won’t want to work here — but note that Google, Uber and many top companies often go through a press cycle where people want to see them fall. Everyone wants to knock the king down when they’re on top.

    Otherwise, Facebook is still a great place to work (top comp, top employees, respectful culture, top management team). We’re looking for strong people to help us move the company forward. News of our death is greatly exaggerated — just look at the numbers. Every company on this thread (minus Google, Apple and Amazon) would kill to have our revenue, profit and user base.
    Dec 24, 20186
    • Sage / Sales
      khCi60

      SageSales

      BIO
      East coast
      khCi60more
      It’s the “surveillance economy” - that’s how FB monetizes and not the BS feel good charter of “connecting the world” maybe you’re just seeing the red pill here. I’m down to using FB for 5 mins a day from the one hour plus average. Encourage everyone to use ios12 to set limits on “social media” apps!

      There will be more and more lawsuits for FB and employees are bailing. They don’t believe the fake mission and stock is down - employees true loyalties show
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Sage / Sales
      khCi60

      SageSales

      BIO
      East coast
      khCi60more
      PS that’s a bit narcissistic to say FB is the king. In reality the govt should have not let the Instagram sale go through. And without the aggressive UI theft from Snapchat FB would be declining. Govt may intervene and in do the last two big acquisitions
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Sephora BwFC00
      One thing is for sure. A piece of shit company like sage requires no intervention. Your stock has been dead for a while, and the employees are as dumb as ever.
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Sage / Sales
      khCi60

      SageSales

      BIO
      East coast
      khCi60more
      😂
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Sephora BwFC00
      Shouldnt you be selling instead of posting sage? Brexit is around the corner - hope it treats you well..:). You’re gonna need all the pennies from that MASSIVE annual 200 mil profit for protection.

      Maybe santa will grant your wishes for a salesforce acquisition at $2.
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Facebook chromeo
      What does “surveillance economy” even mean? Arguably, companies like Google, Amazon and Apple have way more information about you than we do. And not just volume but variety (email, location, texts, purchases, browsing behavior). The conspiracy theorists about data collection by FB is way overblown and, again, parroted by people who don’t understand technology.
      Dec 25, 2018
  • Facebook / Engpoopybutt
    I'd suggest you to give it a thought. Yes, all these news will affect employee morale but media always exaggerate things. Internally, we know what was shared and what isn't. I'm not defending some things we have done, it could have been avoided but you don't really have other company which would beat Google in terms of comp and perks. People will say Uber but hey, you know it better. I'd definitely suggest you read the blog post by Facebook responding to NYT article.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Amazon ntvo77
    The ship isn’t going to sink next week but the primary FB platform is a dead man walking. No one under 35 uses it anymore. Fortunately, they were smart enough to buy Instagram which I do think still has legs and high usage.
    Dec 20, 20181
    • Uber / EngoOBb03
      FB is a great voter outreach platform. Moms are reliable voters.
      Dec 21, 2018
  • Amazon TankBab
    @chromeo...don't confuse past performance with future expectations/results. Those taking the pessimistic side on this argument don't believe that there is long-term real value in the FB business. For example, look at business models created by Google, Microsoft, Uber, and Amazon. These companies create real value for their customers that is sustainable and likely to be not easily replaced if they are not around. On the other hand, if Facebook is not around in a year, there is not much of a loss or impact to the world IMO.

    I deleted my FB account this year and will stick with few of the other social communication styles that are better suited for me. And I was one of the early adopters when FB was just available to select colleges so I have seen the platform evolve but at no point are any of it's features a must have to survive. In contrast, apps like Google Maps, Amazon Shopping, Google Search are long term sustainable services that people can't just live without if they were to go away.

    I use the simple test of: "if this service goes away tomorrow, what's the impact and can the user base continue with alternatives or is it so significant that the market would simply not allow a failure to occur". Remember the term "too big to fail"? I think FB is definitely worth of a failure and destruction and I for one will do everything in my power to see it die.
    Dec 26, 20187
    • Amazon / Engsciendisd
      Use of a simple test when there are too many variables is a dumb idea.
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Amazon TankBab
      Most successful businesses are founded on simple principles. Customer behavior also operates in simple predictable behaviors.
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Sephora seniorswe
      TankBab is an idiot. Uber irreplaceable? What about lyft? Amazon? - try walmart and jet.com.

      Damn, Amazon needs to get PIPing fast. Bar gets lower every day
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Amazon TankBab
      Seniorswe Why the fuck are you even on here? Go put some makeup on your asshole and look at the mirror. What is your point? I wasn't listing every company...I was just trying to point out better tech companies than FB that actually create real sustainable value to the world. Speaking of another shit company...people from Sephora aren't entitled to any real opinions either. You are beyond PIPing.
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Sephora seniorswe
      U mad tankbab? Oh u mad. How sad is it that sephora has better perks than you? Oh and unlimited bathroom breaks too. Enjoy the bananas!
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Microsoft ImAwesome
      But Bananas are yummy dude
      Dec 27, 2018
    • Tesla / QA
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      Dude bananas are dope
      Dec 27, 2018
  • DocuSign 10charonly
    I'd be more worried about their reputation as a place that has engineering debt/culture and poor WLB.
    In order to go there, it would have to significantly move my retirement date, so.... 150k/year hike? And I doubt they'd offer that.
    Dec 20, 20183
    • Google / Engjwjshvyrja
      OP
      Yeah, if they give me 150k a year bump. It's hard to say no
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook ursulla
      They do offer up to 450k for E5. It’s a sweatshop though.
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Airbnb CSDH86
      Poor WLB definitely. I’d say the debt isn’t too prevalent and the engineering culture is good. It’s the product culture of moving too fast that causes a lot of issues, including hasty/inadequate implementations from eng.
      Dec 25, 2018
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    Everyone is jumping ship from there - never had so many Facebook applicants
    Dec 20, 20183
    • New ✨🤓
      Why would anyone want to jump from one sinking ship to another tho 🤔
      Dec 21, 2018
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      Dno, opportunity to build market distrusting products that help humanity, vs exploiting users for information to sell?
      Dec 21, 2018
    • We just hired 4 FB refugees (Not @google)
      Jan 11
  • Snapchat snp
    Facebook is the new AOL. There was an article referencing this analogy few years back , before the scandals.
    Dec 23, 20181
    • Facebook / Engooohber
      Says the guy from Snapchat lol!
      Dec 23, 2018
  • Microsoft trthhhheee
    Slightly off topic. With all the data breach and crude handling of data, I think Facebook needs better leadership at engineering. Facebook engineers have no reason to work for a long hours for the sake of churning out the features. That sort of hacky culture will create vulnerability in many places. Since it deals with sensitive data and private information, it should make more effort to improve the existing system rather than creating new features for promotion or not to get fired. There is something wrong with reward system. Experienced engineering leaders should come and control it otherwise seniors will grow with wrong mindset and will lead to wrong destination.
    Dec 20, 20181
    • Amazon Awwwshu
      What about the product leaders?
      Dec 21, 2018
  • Uber fAub88
    Left Uber for FB - going back to Uber. Better culture and better people. A bit less money - but ipo next year.
    Dec 20, 20181
  • Spotify / Engasdfghjklo
    I make a point to only invest/work for companies I personally consume.

    Deleted my Facebook and Instagram almost two years ago now and would never go back. It wasn't even out of privacy or moral concerns, I just wanted that wasted time back and it was worth it.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Microsoft ghostrider
    Focus on your career. FB will be there in the long run.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Amazon Pixxie
    is it the right time to join FB? I m sure the stock price will go up, so is the TC
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Microsoft pu
    Have you actually used FB lately? The iPhone fb app news feed doesn't refresh properly. Ads with zero relevance flooding your news feed. A filtered view of the things YOU actually want to see. It's ripe for disruption from someone that gets back to basics - helping you stay connected with your friends. Go start a new FB!
    Dec 24, 20188
    • Intel Pakshab
      Agreed. Facebook is the Altavista of social media at this point
      Dec 25, 2018
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      Ouch! That’s some chilling shade!!!
      Dec 25, 2018
    • Sephora seniorswe
      Lol intel how cute. The punjabi groupon of tech trying to talk trash.
      Dec 25, 2018
    • Tesla / QA
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      Who the fuck let Sephora in here? This isn’t instagram, babes.
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Facebook chromeo
      You’re right. The product is shit. It’s such shit that 2B people use us every day — more people that use Windows. And our ads products are such shit that we’ll probably pull in $50B in revenue. News feed is such shit — I wonder why people are so worried about its ability to sway elections.

      It’s pretty hilarious just how stupid people in the Valley can be. People over estimate their understand of things beyond what they do on a day to day basis.
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Sephora seniorswe
      How was xmas in the office tesla? So sad
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Tesla / QA
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      I wouldn’t know I spent it on the beach. We didn’t actually run the production lines, contrary to popular media. Perhaps you read that on Facebook?
      Dec 26, 2018
    • Microsoft pu
      @chromeo and that's precisely the attitude that's going to cause FB to fail. Arrogance. History is littered with arrogant companies that failed because they refused to listen and improve. Perhaps you should just take the feedback and make a better product.
      Dec 28, 2018
  • Google / Engjwjshvyrja
    OP
    Ok this is my take. FB will still be around for long. Business fundamental hasn't change much, advertisers will still pay for showing you ads whichever platform you use. It's probably still a good company to join assuming you're solving a challenging technical problem. But I'm still morally conflicted with what the company is doing, or more to the extend of what the company is NOT doing, i.e. protecting the vunerable users.. We should instead make the world slightly less connected, and make connections now meaningful..
    Dec 23, 20183
    • Sephora BwFC00
      You gotta tell me OP, how is google better morally? You had a second google plus bug which exposed 52 mil worth of user data in which you finally decided to close it. Your initial breach of google plus was swept under the rug by leadership with internal docs saying you wanted to avoid the same attention as fb. You allow all developers to harness gmail data and even read gmail messages until it was uncovered. You also had leadership continuously try to hide china project privacy concerns from regular employees. And you have a reporting system where employees can report one another for leaking which none of the other FANGs have. What is google’s rebuttal to this?

      I have a google onsite post new years after a fb rejection. I’m bitter but not delusional.
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Airbnb / EngqPVd08
      I don’t understand the problem with the last point you mentioned. Leaks are bad for everyone. I’d love to see people who leak private info be publicly hanged.
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Sephora BwFC00
      Agreed, but the other companies do not promote formal employee reporting which can lead to false charges and an adversarial environment. In lieu of this, the other companies rely on internal investigations alone.
      Dec 24, 2018
  • Snapchat JskoM
    Keep in mind you can get a comp bump even without leaving Google. If all you do is just tell your manager or HRBP that "I feel my compensation is too low and I could get more stock elsewhere" they're likely to offer you more stock. If you get another offer than Google is very likely to match it.

    Source: got offered double my current TC in stock vesting over 2 years when I told them I was leaving
    Dec 20, 20182
    • Google / Engjwjshvyrja
      OP
      Manager kept saying my salary is top of the salary band. What level were you? I heard no counter for L5 and below
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Snapchat JskoM
      I was L6. Your salary may be at top but equity is likely not. Some L5s in my team were in the $400k+ range and that was over 2 years ago!!

      If your manager is not willing to give you anything you then he's either too junior and doesn't know or he doesn't value you enough. You could either talk to HRBP or change teams.

      Also matters what your rating is. I worked with a L5 who was always Exceeding who would get more equity every 2 years by just threatening to leave, but he was a strong performer
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Zillow Group zillowman
    Smart people left fb platform way back now the noobs reading/watching the news are doing the same.

    Like any other big company there are good and bad people over there.

    The ship is sinking, but a slow rate, it will take time, if you plan to jump don’t stay longer
    Dec 20, 20182
    • Zillow Group / Eng
      Plentyone

      Zillow GroupEng

      BIO
      TC 275k
      Plentyonemore
      Great points, but we should eat our own dog food: Trulia in particular is stinking up the joint
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Zillow Group Shitshow
      Lol 😂
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Facebook Kukachaka
    Pass the interview first.
    Dec 21, 20180
  • Facebook / OtherFaceNoName
    I’ve said no to 6 offers to stay at Facebook. Many were for more responsibility and to be in leadership and two for money. It’s cushy at FB and it works for me. It would take a lot to get me to leave.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Microsoft rocket
    FB is big enough that you don’t have to worry about the company as long as you can ignore the stock markets (which is bad for all companies)...my advise...join if you are able to get a good TC and a good team...
    Dec 20, 20182
    • Google / Engjwjshvyrja
      OP
      Sounds reasonable. That's my line of thinking as well. But those are big IFs
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Amazon Wilkeee
      Then stay where you are
      Dec 21, 2018
  • InVision kwQf67
    Facebook is a net negative for humanity. Pick a better paycheck since you seem to have options.
    Dec 21, 20180
  • Hazelcut NfTn03
    According to the desperate hit pieces by the Failing New York Times, yes they are sinking. What was the last scandal they tried to peddle? They researched George Soros? Lol, okay.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Microsoft !=Leetcode
    Yes
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Facebook liam
    You will get stocks with a reasonable p/e and business growth and that's great.
    Dec 20, 20180
  • Facebook uni-porn
    E5, yoe 1.5, TC: 400k
    Dec 20, 201813
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      if they started at E4, 1.5 to E5 is pretty raisinable
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook uni-porn
      New grad, started at E3
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Airbnb
      jim.hodlen

      Airbnb

      BIO
      kindly doing the needful
      jim.hodlenmore
      woof!
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Dropbox rtyp
      Good for you. However I'm not impressed given levels at FB is inflated. Most people get to E5 within 3 years
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New / Engcato
      Not too shabby. How many LC?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Microsoft ImAwesome
      I’m 2 YOE and L9
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Airbnb
      jim.hodlen

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      kindly doing the needful
      jim.hodlenmore
      not 69?
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Facebook uni-porn
      Got offer at microloft at E70, I asked to be downgraded to E69, they didn’t agree, so continue to stay at FB
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Microsoft / EngmXFA80
      Lol ok why do people believe this bullshit posted on blind?
      Dec 21, 2018
    • Google / EngGoogoli
      😂
      Dec 22, 2018
  • Amazon Huhsghs
    Instagram is pretty amazing. Doubt anything will happen to them.
    Dec 20, 20183
    • New / Eng- -
      Time will tell if they live long enough to become Myspace 3.0
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google usurper
      Except you don't need 5000 engineers to run Instagram.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Google swmo
      IDK it has so many features
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Bloomberg hP8nVt
    Tl;Dr Facebook will be a value stock soon. Which is actually good.
    Dec 20, 20181
    • Facebook TioViejo
      Forward PE under 20 and still growing ads rev as of all reported quarters, so... It's both already, growth and value.
      Dec 21, 2018
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    Dec 21, 20180

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