I'm interviewing at FB soon. But news have been negative lately. I heard employee morale is very low.
If FB give XX% more money, is still worth joining?
How much XX make you willing to go to FB?
Is there any chance of a Facebook comeback?
L5 SWE, TC 300k
- Facebook / EngcppatfbWtf do you mean by morale? Nobody here gives a shit about nyt. From a business stand point, none of our numbers are declining. In fact all going up. So I don't know what this morale means or how it has any influence on you. It's an imaginary perception you are creating in your head. Do you think employees are sitting at their desks depressed over media? Most are thinking what is on the menu for lunch, or how can I create impact.
- Shopify / MgmtiJo63ijdAmore"If you have some experience in the industry, you would know how things are."
So I basically read that as "there is always sexual harassment in tech, get used to it."
That's a really shitty stance to take. But not surprising if you work at a company with internal problems like Uber.
- Think about this...Google, despite their issues, actually helps the world in many ways. What does FB do that actually helps the world? Can you really work there and make money knowing that what you would be building would be exploiting and selling people's information?
- Amazon folks should be the last people to shit on FB. It actually empowers a lot of small businesses that Amazon is essentially killing. I personally know at least 5 people running their business through FB. A ton of money is being raised on FB for causes too. Google also collects information, a lot more than Facebook. Wonder why it is not under the same kind of scrutiny.Dec 20, 201810
- Google zndT21Join FB, grab some good rsu at heavy discount. If things don't improve in a year, bounce back to G. If FB stock recovers, enjoy your high tc or leverage that to get an even better offer at G.
- Honestly OP I would stay at google. ALL this bad news coming out cant be good for FB. And can you really support a douchebag named Zuckerberg?
- Google vHoL03Fucking no lol
Talk to anyone in college rn, fb is the basis of all social interaction. Only people who say it’s a sinking ship have no social lives.
- Microsoft PM37BWrong. Most college students don’t use Facebook except for their parents. It’s MomBook for a reason. High school students use it even less. They are all over on Snapchat and some on IG. FB internal data says their average user age is rising and heavy users are 40+. That’s why FB bought IG. But that won’t last either. Both will fade for something newer and cooler. That’s the real threat to FB.
- Stripe :wave:You should interview at Stripe.
One of our operating principles is called, “The Frontpage Test”. It basically means, “if what you were doing landed on the front page of The New York Times, how would it make the company look?” This is our version of “don’t be evil”, and it’s absolutely still true today.
People are genuinely very nice.
- My observation is that most folks don't give a damn about new details regarding privacy violations. In fact almost nobody is aware of what's going on. When I shared news a typical response was pretty predictible: "oh no, that's horrible" + carry on as usual.
So no, people don't give a damn.
- Oath pfqy46I don’t think FB is a sinking ship. The employees are chum as ever. FB has created a kind of brand value for itself that even if 5000 engineers decide to quit, another set of equally capable 5000 engineers are ready to interview and replace them.
- Microsoft waesrdtfCome on people. You are in tech for a reason so think beyond the current situation. Facebook will go through its problems for the next 12 months. I’m predicting this. But it will come back out on top and be stronger and better.
There are valuable lessons they have to learn internally but as tech people we know that all the other stuff is BS. Politically charged as well. NYT and all the other major newspapers need tech people to review before they post.
Facebook will be fine. Go to Facebook. Learn and grow.
- Amazon TncD03The new growth in Facebook is going to be in AR/VR, Facebook TV, monetizing WhatsApp for mobile payments and enterprise use cases. I think you will learn a ton on how to build large scale applications securely by detecting threats - whats real vs fake stories - loads of new investments in security side. There is energy and excitement at Facebook campus all the time. You should try asking for a higher TC. In short you should consider FB.
- That’s nonsense. Facebook is sharing/selling information with Amazon. When I see Amazon ads on my Facebook app they show me the books that I have viewed in the past. It’s truly creepy
- Again, seems like people just don’t understand the basics of ads and ads targeting.
We don’t sell data to Amazon. Many companies sell the ability to track and retarget people for ads. When you drop on a product page owned by a third party, that event can be recorded using a Facebook owner pixel. The third party can use Facebook’s ads systems to tell it to serve ads to people who’ve visited product pages to serve ads for that product.
Facebook knows the user and the page but that granular data of the individual is never exposed to advertisers. The behavior and pool of users is exposed to advertisers as an option but we don’t sell the data.
Anyway, it’s kind of ridiculous, isn’t it? If you visit Amazon, then they already know exactly what you’re doing when it comes to browsing and buying products on their site.
We have zero incentive to sell any data to them. Think about it: If that really is where our value is as a company, how long would we be relevant if we sold the data? It would quickly be owned by everyone after we sold it and then it would be game over. Anyway, that data only serves utility insofar as it’s used to serve ads on FB.
- Your explanation is going to be a tough sell:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/19/facebook-gave-amazon-microsoft-netflix-special-access-to-data-nyt.htmlDec 25, 20181
- Like I said above:
1) Inaccurate reporting by NYTimes (note all the other media entities are referring to the NYT report). NYT is spinning a negative narrative to portray FB in a bad light.
2) Your average person doesn’t know how platforms and technology like OAuth work. You’re the perfect example.
Any platform feature built after 2010 was reviewed by the FTC. Not only that, but these features were widely announced, reviewed and scrutinized back when they were launched over half a decade ago between 2010 and 2012. We literally showed these integrations to the world at F8.
The stuff about not getting user permissions is inaccurate reporting. Note the NYT hasn’t actually shared any proof. This has also been denied by companies like Spotify and Netflix.
But it plays into the narrative of people who already hate FB so people like you take it at face value.
- Facebook SNox54Even if it’s a sinking ship, it will take 20 years to sink. Not 1 week, 1 month or 1 year, but attests 20 years
- I’d have expected more pragmatism from the tech group, but it seems everyone here is just as easily swept up in the media pariah as the general public. You need to be able to zoom out and see these things from a five or ten year view. The company will be fine long-term, and you’re getting that stock at an outstanding p/e when you look at their revenue growth. Now is the perfect time to join.
- Snapchat BareMarketThat’s cuz at AirBnB you guys screen for perspective as part of ur culture interviews. So you’re always surrounded by people who have a wider perspective, on average
The hard part is waiting 5 to 10 years for the rally again. With a potential recession incoming, it’s prolly better to pick something more stable and return later.
- Facebook / DataLolbotmoreNo - bad news cycle doesn’t mean the product doesn’t work. Business is solid and there are no signs of that changing.
I joined about two years ago, and while I wish stock were higher and news wasn’t constantly negative, I still love working here (I’m at Insta which might bias me though).
- This thread is pretty eye opening in terms of knowing how many people are able of critical thinking vs those swayed by media.
I agree people should work on a product they believe in. I still use FB, IG and Messenger to connect with friends and family every day. Just yesterday I saw my old coworker had her first child, planned dinner with old friends and read about another friend who miscarried.
Any technically savvy person knows we don’t sell user’s data (as it would never be in our business interest to do so) and that we sell ads. More technically savvy people would understand how OAuth and Platform works. Your average techie doesn’t remember what the product landscape was like 5-10 years ago when everyone was building platforms as a way to have platforms integrate with one another.
But I get it. I used to be a big fan of NYTimes and often thought it one of the few trusted sources of news that would give an unbiased view of the world. The repeated inaccurate, agenda-driven articles has shown me just how biased their reporting is. I used to laugh at all the Business “Insider” articles that used sensationalism to generate page views but NYTimes has followed suit. At least wannabe media entities like Buzz Feed have an excuse.
I agree that if you don’t believe there’s value in connecting people, you shouldn’t work here. If you’re easily swayed by media portrayals, you won’t want to work here — but note that Google, Uber and many top companies often go through a press cycle where people want to see them fall. Everyone wants to knock the king down when they’re on top.
Otherwise, Facebook is still a great place to work (top comp, top employees, respectful culture, top management team). We’re looking for strong people to help us move the company forward. News of our death is greatly exaggerated — just look at the numbers. Every company on this thread (minus Google, Apple and Amazon) would kill to have our revenue, profit and user base.
- It’s the “surveillance economy” - that’s how FB monetizes and not the BS feel good charter of “connecting the world” maybe you’re just seeing the red pill here. I’m down to using FB for 5 mins a day from the one hour plus average. Encourage everyone to use ios12 to set limits on “social media” apps!
There will be more and more lawsuits for FB and employees are bailing. They don’t believe the fake mission and stock is down - employees true loyalties show
- What does “surveillance economy” even mean? Arguably, companies like Google, Amazon and Apple have way more information about you than we do. And not just volume but variety (email, location, texts, purchases, browsing behavior). The conspiracy theorists about data collection by FB is way overblown and, again, parroted by people who don’t understand technology.
- Facebook / EngpoopybuttI'd suggest you to give it a thought. Yes, all these news will affect employee morale but media always exaggerate things. Internally, we know what was shared and what isn't. I'm not defending some things we have done, it could have been avoided but you don't really have other company which would beat Google in terms of comp and perks. People will say Uber but hey, you know it better. I'd definitely suggest you read the blog post by Facebook responding to NYT article.
- Amazon ntvo77The ship isn’t going to sink next week but the primary FB platform is a dead man walking. No one under 35 uses it anymore. Fortunately, they were smart enough to buy Instagram which I do think still has legs and high usage.
- @chromeo...don't confuse past performance with future expectations/results. Those taking the pessimistic side on this argument don't believe that there is long-term real value in the FB business. For example, look at business models created by Google, Microsoft, Uber, and Amazon. These companies create real value for their customers that is sustainable and likely to be not easily replaced if they are not around. On the other hand, if Facebook is not around in a year, there is not much of a loss or impact to the world IMO.
I deleted my FB account this year and will stick with few of the other social communication styles that are better suited for me. And I was one of the early adopters when FB was just available to select colleges so I have seen the platform evolve but at no point are any of it's features a must have to survive. In contrast, apps like Google Maps, Amazon Shopping, Google Search are long term sustainable services that people can't just live without if they were to go away.
I use the simple test of: "if this service goes away tomorrow, what's the impact and can the user base continue with alternatives or is it so significant that the market would simply not allow a failure to occur". Remember the term "too big to fail"? I think FB is definitely worth of a failure and destruction and I for one will do everything in my power to see it die.
- Seniorswe Why the fuck are you even on here? Go put some makeup on your asshole and look at the mirror. What is your point? I wasn't listing every company...I was just trying to point out better tech companies than FB that actually create real sustainable value to the world. Speaking of another shit company...people from Sephora aren't entitled to any real opinions either. You are beyond PIPing.
- DocuSign 10charonlyI'd be more worried about their reputation as a place that has engineering debt/culture and poor WLB.
In order to go there, it would have to significantly move my retirement date, so.... 150k/year hike? And I doubt they'd offer that.
- Slightly off topic. With all the data breach and crude handling of data, I think Facebook needs better leadership at engineering. Facebook engineers have no reason to work for a long hours for the sake of churning out the features. That sort of hacky culture will create vulnerability in many places. Since it deals with sensitive data and private information, it should make more effort to improve the existing system rather than creating new features for promotion or not to get fired. There is something wrong with reward system. Experienced engineering leaders should come and control it otherwise seniors will grow with wrong mindset and will lead to wrong destination.
- Uber fAub88Left Uber for FB - going back to Uber. Better culture and better people. A bit less money - but ipo next year.
- Ok this is my take. FB will still be around for long. Business fundamental hasn't change much, advertisers will still pay for showing you ads whichever platform you use. It's probably still a good company to join assuming you're solving a challenging technical problem. But I'm still morally conflicted with what the company is doing, or more to the extend of what the company is NOT doing, i.e. protecting the vunerable users.. We should instead make the world slightly less connected, and make connections now meaningful..
- You gotta tell me OP, how is google better morally? You had a second google plus bug which exposed 52 mil worth of user data in which you finally decided to close it. Your initial breach of google plus was swept under the rug by leadership with internal docs saying you wanted to avoid the same attention as fb. You allow all developers to harness gmail data and even read gmail messages until it was uncovered. You also had leadership continuously try to hide china project privacy concerns from regular employees. And you have a reporting system where employees can report one another for leaking which none of the other FANGs have. What is google’s rebuttal to this?
I have a google onsite post new years after a fb rejection. I’m bitter but not delusional.Dec 23, 20185
- Everyone is jumping ship from there - never had so many Facebook applicants
- Keep in mind you can get a comp bump even without leaving Google. If all you do is just tell your manager or HRBP that "I feel my compensation is too low and I could get more stock elsewhere" they're likely to offer you more stock. If you get another offer than Google is very likely to match it.
Source: got offered double my current TC in stock vesting over 2 years when I told them I was leaving
- I was L6. Your salary may be at top but equity is likely not. Some L5s in my team were in the $400k+ range and that was over 2 years ago!!
If your manager is not willing to give you anything you then he's either too junior and doesn't know or he doesn't value you enough. You could either talk to HRBP or change teams.
Also matters what your rating is. I worked with a L5 who was always Exceeding who would get more equity every 2 years by just threatening to leave, but he was a strong performer
- Zillow Group zillowmanSmart people left fb platform way back now the noobs reading/watching the news are doing the same.
Like any other big company there are good and bad people over there.
The ship is sinking, but a slow rate, it will take time, if you plan to jump don’t stay longer
- Snapchat snpFacebook is the new AOL. There was an article referencing this analogy few years back , before the scandals.
- Microsoft rocketFB is big enough that you don’t have to worry about the company as long as you can ignore the stock markets (which is bad for all companies)...my advise...join if you are able to get a good TC and a good team...
- Have you actually used FB lately? The iPhone fb app news feed doesn't refresh properly. Ads with zero relevance flooding your news feed. A filtered view of the things YOU actually want to see. It's ripe for disruption from someone that gets back to basics - helping you stay connected with your friends. Go start a new FB!
- You’re right. The product is shit. It’s such shit that 2B people use us every day — more people that use Windows. And our ads products are such shit that we’ll probably pull in $50B in revenue. News feed is such shit — I wonder why people are so worried about its ability to sway elections.
It’s pretty hilarious just how stupid people in the Valley can be. People over estimate their understand of things beyond what they do on a day to day basis.