Is ICT4 TPM at Apple considered Senior TPM?

Oracle / R&D TLead
Jul 21 11 Comments

Titles says it all.

What is the levels to Seniority mapping at Apple?

TC: 160k
YoE: 2

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  • Apple / Eng cubbo
    ICT4 to M1 is completely lateral and happens frequently. ICT4 is also considered senior although it does not have a strict one to one mapping with the senior levels of google (level 5) or facebook (level 5). ICT5 is extremely difficult to get to. most people get stuck at ICT4 and it’s considered a terminal level.
    Jul 22 3
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I am getting ICT4 with 2.5 YoE. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? How difficult is it to climb up from M1 to M3? Or do people get stuck up at M1?
      Jul 22
    • Apple CMDK22
      Are you getting ICT4 or IC4
      Jul 22
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I have to confirm with recruiter. The role is Technical Product Manager. Which is better to have? ICT4 Or IC4?
      Jul 22
  • PayPal pp-ceo
    How do one transition from ICT4 to M1 role?
    Jul 22 2
    • Apple
      diting

      Apple

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      ditingmore
      By deciding one wishes to be a manager and having ones managers agree.
      Jul 22
    • PayPal pp-ceo
      Is there minimum YOE required for this? Or past people manager experience?
      Jul 22
  • Adobe
    gyro👀

    Adobe

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    gyro👀more
    So you are going with Apple after all?
    Jul 21 3
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I’m trying to get more insights. Haven’t accepted Apple yet but trying to gain more information before I make my decision. With IC4, I also hear that I could switch to M1. Trying to see which gives me more growth opportunities.
      Jul 21
    • Adobe
      gyro👀

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      Oh, thats pretty cool. How is Ict4 -> M1 like?
      Jul 21
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I do not have much information. Give the amount of reading I did from blind ICT4s are qualified enough to move to M1. My recruiter vaguely mentioned that.

      Saying that if it is senior TPM with my experience of 2.5 years, if I could work my ass off and get to IC5 then I could aim for better roles at companies like Amazon. Opens a window for me to go to Amazon as SDM rather than SDE. Then I will have relatively less to worry about PIP. Of course all this is my initial hypothesis. Could go wrong as well.

      Any insights from you?
      Jul 21