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Is Netflix’s company culture of fear real? What happened when you were fired?
A little bit of my background, I’m a software engineer with less than 4 years of work experience. I ask this question because recently I got a senior software engineer offer from Netflix but I don’t know if I should take it. I heard that they pay really really well but they also fire people like crazy, like 2 mistakes and you’re out. Most of the engineers on the team I interviewed have over 8 years of experience, will I be considered not an A+ player compared to them? In Netflix’s culture deck they say that they fire adequate employees right away and only keep superstar engineers.
My major concern: Job security is very important to me not because I have a family to raise but because I’m on H1B work visa, which means if I got fired I would no longer be able to stay in US unless I could get another employer to sponsor my visa within a month. I’m basically happy with my salary at my current job and I don’t want to ruin my career just because I take the bad money from an unstable job. Another thing is that under such pressure and fear of losing job, will one grow as an engineer? I always think that engineers learn a lot from mistakes, if one is not allowed to make any mistake, how do engineers at Netflix grow?
Since Blind is an (to some extent) anonymous society, can someone tell us about how it really feels like to work at Netflix? Is the culture of fear real? Is the pay really worth the workload?
And to those who got fired by Netflix, how long did you stay there before you got fired? And what happened before you were shown the door? Is real that Netflix is basically zero-tolerant to mistakes?
- Amazon❤️💚💙💛💜I would not take the risk of getting fired on H1b.
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- New / EngxofulbmoreTough choice mate, money or mental peace? I would choose latter 8 out of 10 times.
- Netflixoz42b1If you are looking for career path, than Netflix is not for you. You do not have lot of opportunities for that.
Netflix pays well and treats you well. And everyone will want to hire you after you worked for Netflix.
You will be judged per your own work, not for how much years of experience you have.
But it is impressive that with just 4 years of experience you were offered position.
Final decision is only yours, but this is big opportunity.
- @oz42b1 thanks for your comment! Yeah I know it’s a big opportunity and that’s why I’m struggling with decision making here :) Do you mind sharing your experience at Netflix? How’s the work life balance there? And I guess I’m most concerned with job security issue, how often do you hear people getting fired and what’s the average length of tenure at Netflix? Many thanks!Nov 28, 20171
- Netflixoz42b1I think that you are putting too much on that. Much more people left on their own for various reasons. Way much more. Netflix in reality doesn't have higher turnover that other top tier companies. No matter what you heard.
If you heard about unlimited leave? It is true. It all depends on you.
- Yeah I guess I read so many posts on Glassdoor and Blind that I’m becoming a little bit paranoid now and don’t know who to trust. I believe Netflix’s turnover rate won’t be crazy high because to achieve anything meaningful, you have to have a relatively stable team. As for technical competency, I’m hoping I fall in the category of A+ player now :)
- Also, can you elaborate on why there aren’t many career growth opportunities at Netflix? Do you mean title-wise? I’m totally fine with my job title being senior software engineer for the next several years :)
If I’m judged per my own work, I’m guessing I’ll need to push back when my manager gives me a task that’s way beyond my ability, I hope that won’t be translated into “adequate player” though.
- GE / EngAghd263Secure your GC first, make the jump later. You said you have 4 years of experience so I assume you’re young, therefore you have enough time to go back and take the risk at Netflix once you’ve secured your residency status.
- Apple / EngProjPurpleIt depends on the person but I perform considerably poorly if I always have to worry about performance ; I tend to perform my best work when I am stress free and I excited about what I am working on. Secondly I am not even sure what sometimes your best work is - often stuff that I feel is relatively trivial can have huge impact and stuff that I have sweated and worked hard upon relatively less - much like the real world , where not everything is meritrocratic. Netflix’s culture deck would make me half the engineer I am and I have worked at some pretty stressful places ( still working at one ).
- StubHubasianchic@OP if your wife is working then go ahead and take the risk. You are young to take such a risk
- Any current/former Netflix employee cares for a comment? I’m actually curious about how new employees ramp up at Netflix? Rumor has it that your manager can let you go within weeks after you start at Netflix, how do you guys manage the pressure?
- NetflixricewaterMost managers have some patience on new folks. After all, it takes some time to pick up the platform, business logic etc. That being said, it won't take more than 3 months to figure out a new hire. You are not being compared to the others though. You just need to be able to do your job.
- Airbnbbearbnbdon’t you have 60 day grace period these days? if you can make the cut at nflx, I bet you can land a job in that time frame
- Yeah I think we do, but honestly I think it looks bad on your resume if you have a tenure less than say half a year. I’m totally fine with switching job after a full year or two if things don’t quite work well, but I think changing job after a few months at Netflix basically tells your interviewer that you’re fired by them and that looks like a negative thing(to me at least). If I’m the interviewer, I’d rather believe in one’s track record than the ability to solve coding questions during the interview.
- Apple / Engbender-😒moreFrom what I’ve heard, they don’t just fire you without notice. People get fair warning they aren’t performing at expectations. They give you a chance to correct. If you fail to do so, they chalk you up as a fluke that made it through the interview process and send you packing. Doesn’t sound all that unreasonable really.
- Yeah I think that’s true. I believe for any business to sustain, the company must have a reasonable workflow(effective feedback loop being part of it). I guess I’m okay with how their feedback works but I’m concerned with how demanding the job is, like if it’s too high a requirement and I constantly get bad feedback, then that’s definitely not something I want.
- Apple / Engbender-😒moreWell they’re looking for self starters and people who just know how to get stuff done. Real senior level stuff. There’s probably not a bunch of hand holding. So if you can deal with situation of ambiguity and can take charge and work a situation and be a strong team player, I think you’ll be fine.
The demands are going to be more along these lines. Not whether you’re an uber engineer. They’re looking for strong generalists. That’s why they only hire senior engineers.
- AppleBnhjk56If you can get into Netflix then why not try for google or Facebook? Almost Similar pay without any of the performance headaches. Google is almost a government job
- I’ve never interviewed with google or Facebook (cos I don’t think I’m smart enough to clear the algorithm questions) but based on what I’ve seen on the internet, I think the interview questions I was asked during my Netflix interview are way easier than those of google’s or Facebook’s.
- PayPalTyrionTallYea.. agree with you.. not worth the stress.. sadly for H1b, the main priority is to get a stable immigration status (at least EAD) to take the risks of high paying high action jobs like Netflix or other interesting startups. For now, job safety and peace of mind one more important.
- StubHubasianchicAgain take the risk and show the worth. Join the cult. Work hard and make history. Work closely with manager on expectations and Bring performance in every 1:1. You will be fine
- Netflixabcabc123I am on H1B and at Netflix for a few years. PM me if you have specific questions and I can help answer.
Netflix believes in fail fast, folks who have made big mistakes are still here. We don’t fire because someone makes a mistake. We look for ability to learn. If making mistakes becomes a pattern and person does not self realize the severity etc then it does become an issue (should be the same in many other companies as well which want to move fast).
Someone mentioned about Netflix turnover rate and it is on par with the valley so it’s no added risk from that perspective.
Remember Netflix is just as much investing as you to ensure you are successful in your job. It takes a lot of effort to find good engineers and we don’t want to jump the gun on letting someone go but at the same time if it is clear (takes a few months/qtr in most cases) that the engineer is not and will not be successful in the role then it is better to make the change.
PM me if you have questions.
- NetflixNetflixEmpI do not believe in this talk of Netflix having only high quality engineers. In terms of having strong engineers, netflix is like any bay area company. I don’t see anyone here as god like developers. In fact I feel we at Netflix do not experiment or bring in new tech as fast as even bigger bay area firms like Facebook. I attribute this as more to do with absense of younger generation developers and risk aversive culture. may be due to fear of losing job. Not sure. As far as firing people, it’s not always the case of the person being a strong engineer. In most cases it is team fit. Few teams have team members who are at Netflix for quite long time and knows in and out of all Netflix tech details. In those teams striving as a new engineer is hard as you may be the only one getting less done. As the company culture focuses more on independent contribution, team dynamics is less than other companies. Mostly, Anyone who got fired from Netflix is not bad. In max cases they are just in a bad team at the bad time.