Is eating meat immoral

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Jan 2 146 Comments

I often struggle with this . It’s possible to get all the vitamins and proteins from vegetables, so the only real reason to eat meat is taste .

Is it then immoral to subject animals to pain and torture for our taste ? Does that then make meat eaters bad people ?

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  • New / Data NewYear!
    1lb beef takes close to 2000 gallons of water to produce. 30% of all water used is for meat alone. Anyone who drinks water should find that appalling. Morality comes later.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/food-water-footprint_n_5952862.html
    Jan 2 19
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Wow this post is really bringing out the idiots 😂
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng 😭🤷 t🆒
      You're the biggest one thus far.
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      “30% of all water used is for meat alone” - that could be, but it represents about .01% of all fresh water on the planet.

      Keep in mind it also takes over a gallon of water to make one almond.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Water is precious, that is why I like to fund building water storage and delivery devices. I do this by dumping water on the ground and letting grass grow.
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      Besides the water argument, largest amount of land is used for growing crops for animal farming. Animal farming is also one of the leading cause of green house gases
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng 😭🤷 t🆒
      When you use feed lots, yes it's bad. Grazing animals, not bad. Read first.
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      Good that you agree that using feed lots are bad
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng 😭🤷 t🆒
      Already covered that feed lots are bad. That is where the negative impact comes from.
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      So now growing plants is bad for the planet? Jesus, hard to keep up with the green religion.
      Jan 2
  • Amazon darrow_
    I'm considering going vegan for the health, environmental and cruetly reasons.

    There's really strong arguments that we don't need to eat meat and it's just a luxury.
    Jan 2 3
  • Facebook Dogfart
    If animals weren't made to be eaten, then why are they so tasty?
    Jan 2 6
    • Google / Eng SexyVirgin
      My best guess is animals weren't originally that tasty. They got more tasty over time because humans domesticated them and did selective breeding.

      It is kind of cruel, but I don't care. They are tasty. Sexy Virgin eats whatever he wants 🐷🐂🐑🐔🐤🐻🐕
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft Dr. Root
      @fb, spot on !
      Best answer 😂
      Jan 2
    • Amazon / R&D ATTE75
      Have you ever tried to eat wild animals? They are tasty as well :)
      Jan 2
    • Google / Eng SexyVirgin
      I'd actually love to, but I live in a city and restaurants don't serve them.
      Hunting and eating dirty city pidgins will likely raise controversy and cause stomach cancer.
      Jan 2
    • LinkedIn / Eng Tomek213
      Actually human flesh is extremely tasty, probably better than animals. You should try that kid next door
      Jan 2
    • Google / Eng SexyVirgin
      Will do. I am also planning to invite Hannibal and Gordon Ramsay to dinner tonight.
      Jan 2
  • Amazon 46+2
    What about artificially grown meat though? Few start ups(US, Israel) have made significant progress in this domain and I think this could be a thing very soon.

    Peeps saying that only domesticated animals taste good, have you tried elk or mountain goat? Wayy better than beef.
    Jan 2 13
    • New / Data NewYear!
      I have no religious views on this, my dear logically challenged douchebag. FYI, very few religions prohibit meat consumption and most infact encourage it!
      Jan 2
    • Amazon yY7qW
      Your do treat this as a religious thing. You declare that it's immoral and insist others live by your kooky belief and when you are challenged you resort to hurling insults.
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      I merely repeat scientific beliefs. Also logically challenged douchebag is not an insult, it's a hard fact as you will demonstrate shortly...
      Jan 2
    • Amazon yY7qW
      Actually no you literally lied about what your links say in terms of health impact and there is nothing scientific at all about morality so no you don't have any scientific basis for that.
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Try this website called google.com for your convenience, here is one short article from WHO
      https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/processed-meat
       "The World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) and the American Institute for Cancer Research (AIRC) have also found that “the evidence on processed meat and cancer is clear-cut.”
      Seriously can a body of research be more direct? Yet millions like you continue to be in denial due to religious and/or cultural reasons (most religions allow meat consumption, with some encouraging it). It does takes a fair bit of reasoning and courage to see truth when you have been programmed in one way since childhood.
      Jan 2
    • Amazon hy5ry
      That says "processed meat", but keep on fucking that chicken. Processed potatoes (chips) are even worse but nobody says hey potato chips cause cancer so don't eat vegetables!
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      "Processed meat refers to meat that has been transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavor or improve preservation." So everything because no one is crazy enough to eat uncooked raw meat (or I could be wrong)?
      Processed potatoes are harmful too due to acrylamide, but that's beside the point.
      Jan 2
    • Amazon hy5ry
      Cooked meat != Processed meat

      I guess your fundamental misunderstanding of the term is the reason why you got everything so wrong!

      And no it's not beside the point, fermenting and salting meat causes similar kinds of problems as fermenting or salting vegetables for a similar reason. Any preserving process creates problems in any food.
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Cooking == Processing, my Friend in denial.
      Processing that breaks proteins into carcinogenic compounds, do not change just because of the ZIP code. Home cooking is just harder to measure because of the huge variance in outcomes and preferences. It's convenient to just sweep it under the rug saying processed meats only refer to things that come in cans but the truth is sadly harder than that.
      Jan 3
    • Amazon hy5ry
      No, cooking is not processing. Your potato dinner isn't "processed food" just because you cooked it. In the links you referred to processing meant processes that preserve meat, not processes that prepare it for serving on the table.

      In fact you pasted a definition of processing the included smoking, fermenting, salting, and other forms of preserving but NOT frying, boiling, roasting, or other means of heating up food immediately before consuming it.

      You are flat out wrong on this point and it cost you the whole debate.
      Jan 3
  • Facebook cynical.ly
    I am not going to let someone impose their morality on me, nor will I seek to dictate someone else.

    I would love for all the meat eating supporters to respond to one comment though: dog meat! I have a huge issue with people supporting meat, but judge other cultures for the specific meat!
    Jan 2 11
    • We eat very few carnivorous mammals. Dogs are carnivores. Yes, there will be some counterexamples, but that's basically the line we've drawn in most of the world.
      Jan 2
    • Netflix tnCP40
      Dog doesn’t taste that bad though. Like pulled beef. How is it different than eating beef? We also eat Octopoda which are also highly intelligent. So don’t see why dogs are special.
      Jan 2
    • I didn't mention intelligence.
      Jan 2
    • Tableau Zero Cool
      Dogs are cute and super useful. Cows on the other hand.... Plus dogs are terrible for producing big quantities of meat
      Jan 2
    • That's ex post facto rationalization, Zero Cool. In Brazil, people eat Guinea pigs, we all eat chickens, and cows can pull plows and produce milk without killing them.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      We don’t eat carnivorous animals because it is expensive to feed them
      Jan 2
    • I haven't heard that hypothesis before, but it's interesting and sounds reasonable.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      I mean, why did we pick cattle? They are basically a big hunk of meat that slowly wander around the field eating grass, then we go grab them when they are big enough.
      Jan 2
    • Facebook cynical.ly
      All the reasons I see are either:
      1. Part facto rationalization of bias, with some really creative niche carving.
      2. Their specific reasons. Just like you have your reasons, someone else has theirs. You have no higher moral ground to judge them.
      Jan 2
    • There are many breeds of dog. The chow chow breed was traditionally bred for meat.

      Cows didn't use to be so meaty until we selectively bred them for thousands of years, pigs and chickens too.
      Jan 2
  • Intel Pakshab
    Meat is the most efficient way for your body to consume protein.
    Jan 2 9
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Eating meat is your choice but stop spreading false information like this.
      It's the new year. Do yourself a favor and check out this neutral article..
      https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      Do you have incisors? Are they for aesthetics?
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      You don't eat meat because you have incisors. You have incisors because humans used to hunt and eat raw meat
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      Why did they do that? Perhaps for the protein?
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Cattle have incisors too, so are they supposed to eat meat?
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      They don’t have top front teeth, so no.

      They also have four stomachs, so prob overkill for meat.
      Jan 3
    • AMD Ranium
      Here you go. Your argument is well known fallacy used to make against veganism.

      When humans eat flesh, we don't actually tear it with our cuspids. Instead, we soften meat with cooking and then pre-tear it with utensils before grinding it down with our flattened molars, which are particularly well-suited for chewing vegetation.
      Using dentition as an indicator of diet is a hard case to make. Domestic cats and dogs have similar dental structures, but cats are obligate carnivores and dogs can be vegan. Gorillas are herbivores with long canines. Our own teeth are closer to those of herbivores than carnivores, but we are capable of digesting the flesh and secretions of other species, which means that we can choose to eat plants, animals or both. So it's clear that a species' teeth are not a reliable determinant of its dietary requirements.
      Jan 3
    • Intel Pakshab
      You just said animals with the same dental structure are all omnivores. No shit.

      Animals will always seek out the densest protein source available. For humans, that is meat.
      Jan 3
    • AMD Ranium
      I'm not denying that humans are omnivores. What point you are making is another classic fallacy.

      The claim that humans are natural meat-eaters is generally made on the belief that we have evolved the ability to digest meat, eggs and milk. This is true as far as it goes; as omnivores, we're physiologically capable of thriving with or without animal flesh and secretions. However, this also means that we can thrive on a whole food plant-based diet, which is what humans have also been doing throughout our history and prehistory.
      Even if we accept at face value the premise that man is a natural meat-eater, this reasoning depends on the claim that if a thing is natural then it is automatically valid, justified, inevitable, good, or ideal. Eating animals is none of these things. Further, it should be noted that many humans are lactose intolerant, and many doctors recommend a plant-based diet for optimal health. When you add to this that taking a sentient life is by definition an ethical issue - especially when there is no actual reason to do so - then the argument that eating meat is natural falls apart on both physiological and ethical grounds.
      Jan 4
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I think it is because of climate impacts, but I still eat meat all the time because I figure it'll get banned or made prohibitively expensive eventually and I want to enjoy it while I still can
    Jan 2 4
    • Intel
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      Why not eat in moderation so it'll be easier to get used to when that happens?
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      That kind of transition wouldn't happen overnight. My guess would be if it happens it'll be via a gradually increasing carbon tax
      Jan 2
    • Amazon / R&D ATTE75
      Climat impact is tiny
      Jan 2
    • Google Union dues
      Your brain is tiny.
      Jan 2
  • New / Eng tempu
    What I don't get is that a lot of meat eaters can't handle watching how animals are slaughtered for meat. It's like they put a blind fold on and like to only see packaged meat at the grocery store.

    And pet owners who are meat eaters. Wtf? Hypocrisy at its finest. Eating a pig is OK. Eating a dog or cat is not ok.

    Climate change is another thing.
    Jan 2 8
    • Amazon yY7qW
      Why is it hypocrisy to own a pet an eat meat? I own pet, eat meat, and also in the past have gone hunting and killed my own food.

      I also ate dog when I visited in China.

      I think you are crazy.
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng 😭🤷 t🆒
      You can understand where your meat comes from, and give a pet name to your source easily. And most pets folks have (dogs/cats) also would love to share in eating the meat you're consuming.

      You definitely better feed your pet meat.
      Jan 2
    • New / Eng tempu
      I said 'most' people.
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng 😭🤷 t🆒
      Get rid of feed lots and let's go back to buying from local ranchers. I wish that was our world. Meh.
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Hey it's the child eater from Amazon again! What are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to be in line to get slaughtered? 😂
      Jan 2
    • Oracle redvsblue
      It depends on if the animal is bred for companionship or meat. Eating dogs and cats feels wrong because they are so loyal to humans. If my dog bit me I would have no problems putting him down and eating him...happens a lot in China.
      Jan 2
    • Amazon yY7qW
      The type of dog people eat is a different breed. Also anyone who lived on a farm is familiar with raising an animal and then eating it. I didn't, but my parents did. Nothing wrong with that.

      Get rid of these religious kooks who don't understand the relationship between humans and the animals we use for food. There's nothing incompatible between naming an animal and eating it.
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      Cats don’t give a fuck about humans. They have been domesticated as pets to eat rodents.
      Jan 2
  • Oracle redvsblue
    I feed my cats pure raw meat and bones every day. I tried to feed them veggies but they won’t eat. They must be immoral and going to hell. Bad kitties.
    Jan 2 10
    • All cats are evil. They're not the best example to use.
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      It's necessary for carnivores to eat meat. Not necessary for humans though
      Jan 2
    • Oracle redvsblue
      But we’re all animals. What makes us so special we can’t eat meat?
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      If we are all animals, then shouldn't all animals be treated equally? If a person is murdered, should or shouldn't there be same consequences for murdering an animal?
      Jan 2
    • Oracle redvsblue
      Ehh lions murder zebras and what not all the time. We’re at the top of the food chain. What’s your point?
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      Lions hunt zebras and eat only for survival. Lions won't kill zebras if they are full. This is natural and there is balance in the food chain. Humans do not hunt and kill. Animals are raised in an industrial manner to be slaughtered for human consumption. We no longer eat animals to preserve the natural balance like humans did in the stone age
      Jan 2
    • Oracle redvsblue
      But we’re smarter than lions. You use what you’re given. I don’t see how that’s bad. I don’t agree with inhumane treatment of animals but raising animals just to kill them later isn’t immoral.
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      Cool, at least we agree that inhumane treatment is bad. If you see how the slaughterhouses operate in most of the places, how the animals are tortured, you would not like that. You can find so many videos on YouTube. Do you check the meat that you eat comes from humanely raised animals? No, right?
      Jan 2
    • Oracle redvsblue
      No, but I don’t eat meat that often because it’s a hassle to cook. I do eat a lot of seafood and don’t think about the inhumane treatment of my salmon. When I do buy meat like chicken it’s for my cats and I don’t guilt trip myself about such things whether their food comes from crappy slaughterhouse or not. I don’t think I have the luxury. They don’t necessarily sell ethnically sourced pet food. It’s already something crazy like $10/pound for frozen raw. 😭
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      Fair point. I maybe wrong but I think most of the fishes are non sentient. So they don't feel pain
      Jan 2
  • Collective Health dancindark
    It’s impossible to morally defend eating animals. People only do it because they were taught to do it growing up. Plus the whole butchering part is out of sight out of mind.
    Jan 2 5
    • Netflix tnCP40
      People ate meat they slaughtered themselves throughout history. Most farmers also still eat meat.
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
      People out in rural America still hunt, and cook deers and such to eat themselves.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      People from San Francisco travel to the mtn to hunt and kill pigs turkeys deer etc all to eat them.
      Jan 2
    • Collective Health dancindark
      Most people don’t hunt. Especially women.
      Jan 3
    • VMware BobbleHat
      That’s always been true. Most people eat animals that someone else killed for them. Today it is a fairly peaceful slaughterhouse, in the past we had to scare the animals to jump off a cliff then die from internal bleeding and broken bones.
      Jan 4
  • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
    Have you ever had a pet dog? Do you know what it’s like to withhold a nice juicy piece of steak from a dog who’s wagging his tail at you?

    Dogs can technically live on a diet sans meat just like we can.
    Jan 2 5
    • New / Eng tempu
      Dogs should be eaten. Why have double standards on certain kinds of animals.
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
      Dogs are good pets.

      Loyal to a stupid extent. Reasonably sized. Great training for having a kid. Not that tasty.

      Cows, aren’t that loyal, they’re way too big to have as pets, and are very tasty.
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      You should go check r/happycowgifs. They bond with humans almost like dogs. There are many other animals that are not loyal. You don't eat that, do you? You eat meat because they are tasty and not because some animal is not loyal. You just made that reason up when confronted with the question to feel better about yourself and give an excuse
      Jan 2
    • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
      That’s why I mentioned multiple reasons
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      You mentioned two reasons. Loyalty and taste. For taste, I don't have any counter argument. For your loyalty reason, as I said it's just a made up reason
      Jan 2
  • VMware / Eng VPC
    Plants have life too. What makes you think they are inferior to animals? This world is too cruel for you I am afraid.
    Jan 2 1
    • AMD Ranium
      You troll but plants are not sentient
      Jan 2
  • VMware BobbleHat
    Folks in this bubble need to get out and see what nature really is. There is no such thing as being nice. The thing you learned about a a food chain is just one thing after another, eating each other(usually alive and painful death).

    Once you get to the top predator you die and microbes move your nutritional value back to the bottom of the chain.

    This is nature. This is natural. Human eating animal is nature. Human eating animal is natural.

    For religious folks - this is the system God built.

    For philosophical folks - pain and death are part of the circle of life. Pretending that you can absolve yourself from being guilty, is denying your own nature and your own existence.

    You must kill in order to stay alive. You killed many sentient creatures today just living. By the time you die, even as a vegan, you will have killed billions of intelligent creatures, as small as ants and other insects, to mammals such as regular killing of rabbits and gophers that threaten your vegetable farm.

    Even a cute outdoor house cat adds an average of 200 birds per year being painfully chewed and eaten alive.
    Jan 2 5
    • New / Eng Pepe.Frog
      Human eating human is natural.
      Jan 2
    • Netflix tnCP40
      Nature is absolutely fucking brutal. Cage free animals in comparison live in paradise with the abundance of food and lack of predators devouring them from the asshole first while still alive.
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      Humans were naturally hunter gatherers. Some tribes were naturally cannibalistic. Humans slowly evolved out of these things. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's ethical. Racism is also inherent human nature. It would be ideal if no one is racist and striving towards that is not wrong. Using the "nature or natural" reason is a fundamental mistake in this argument. Industrialization of killing animals is not natural. Hunting and killing animals was natural.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      If your saying that humans using tools to raise animals is what makes it unnatural, please strip now.

      Humans, like other animals, raise other animals for food. Ants create ‘industrial farms’ of aphids to produce their food. They are in the circle of life just as humans are in the circle of life.
      Jan 2
    • AMD Ranium
      OK. We might have different definitions of natural. It isn't simply a tool.

      It is untrue that you only do things that you consider to be natural - you use the internet, you presumably use a car or a bus or a plane, and so on. You use modern technology, and do various other things that cannot be called natural. Likewise, there are other things that are natural that you avoid. Nature is pretty cruel, and we actually live life in modern society trying to avoid the perils of nature.

      You might argue that anything is natural which humans are capable of. But if you argue that, then the justification "it's natural" would apply to literally any human behaviour, and as such is ridiculous, since you would not say that any human behaviour is justified just because a human did it.
      Jan 2
  • New / Data NewYear!
    Animals have rights. Countries around the world have animal welfare laws, because as beings with a conscience, humans have empathy and recognize that animals feel pain too.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruelty_to_animals
    Jan 2 3
    • Amazon yY7qW
      You need to understand the purpose for a law and stop imagining that because we have a law that it's based on some universal tenet that should be generalized to other cases.

      Those laws exist because they catch people who are starting out abusing animals but will graduate to abusing people. We want to catch them before they step up to causing real harm.

      There are no such concerns in an industry setting and so it's not sensible to extend those laws to research, industrial, or agricultural settings. The food processing plant is NOT going to graduate to processing people, unlike the kook who drowns kittens for fun.

      The goal of those laws is to catch the kooks before they hurt people. There is no underlying animal right.
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Wow your level of BS increases with every post! Animal rights are not for preventing humans from harm, cave man 😂
      Jan 2
    • Amazon yY7qW
      Animals don't have rights. Humans have rights and the laws against animal abuse are to minimize the associated harm to humans.
      Jan 2
  • LinkedIn / Eng
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    It is OK to eat meat. But not OK to eat dogs.
    Jan 2 3
    • Oracle redvsblue
      I think the difference is dogs were bred to be human companions and they are more attuned to people’s feelings. Other animals like goats and pigs were bred to be eaten. It’s messed up to eat your friends.
      Jan 2
    • Uber / Eng nYf6sJ
      Cows and buffalos are human's best friends.
      Stop eating beef.
      Jan 2
    • Intel Pakshab
      Cats were bred as pets to eat rodents to limit disease. Dogs were bred as pets to help hunt/protect. Goats were owned to eat grass, yes, but also to serve as a mate in a pinch.
      Jan 2
  • Microsoft / Eng dKWp30
    I’m a meat reducer - hard for me to go completely vegetarian because I really like seafood, but I try to have a vegetarian day at least once a week. I hate the taste of beef and lamb and I don’t really like eating chicken/turkey/pork that much either, so it’s easier on that front. I respect vegetarians and vegans though!
    Jan 2 1
    • Amazon yY7qW
      Most people eat too much meat.

      If you set aside the extremist nonsense that meat is harmful there is a sensible conversation about what is the right balance.

      You need meat in your diet, but most people eat way, way more meat than they should and the excess is harmful.

      Your approach seems sensible. Having a couple days a week without meat, and eating smaller portions of meat on the other days, is in line with the actual research, and really, in line with the way our ancestors would have eaten.

      In fact, you should have a day a week where you fast and eat very little. There are some processes that happen when you are hungry that help limit disease. Arteries get cleaned up, tissues heal, even some evidence that precancerous cells get selectively destroyed.

      So a good diet would be 3 or 4 times a week, 2 or 3 purely vegetarian days, and actually just fasting one day every week.
      Jan 2
  • Microsoft / Eng 😭🤷 t🆒
    Buy from a rancher and get to know the animal you're buying. Know how it's raised. Understand more of where your food comes from. Plants make me sick, I'm meant to eat meat. Humans thrive on meat.

    This has only become an issue lately because people don't really know how their food got to their plate. Animals die for plants too, farmers are killing all the things that are trying to eat the plants as well. Neither path is without the blood of animals.
    Jan 2 1
    • Oracle buzzrd
      This isn't popular in the media yet, but maybe what people need to know. Whatever is happening to our food chain due to the food industry and GMO for the past half a century is the cause of most modern health issues. Modern medicine won't let you die, but modern food won't let you stay healthy no matter what diet changes you try.
      Jan 2
  • Netflix tnCP40
    Maybe. But lab grown meat will change this entirely. And in my opinion make it more moral than eating plants. As plants are also living organisms and have feelings. So while eating plants may be more ethical now I still wouldn’t say it’s ethical. https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm
    Jan 2 0
  • Amazon yY7qW
    It is not immoral, we are predators, like wolves. It's who we are. I don't get this crazy self loathing.
    Jan 2 1
    • AMD Ranium
      You are a predator if you hunt and kill
      Jan 2
  • Uber / Eng
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    yes but it tastes good so
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  • VMware BobbleHat
    Just remember, if you don’t kill and eat an adult deer, a baby deer is going to starve to death.

    It is really depressing to see you advocating for starving baby deer.
    Jan 2 5
    • AMD Ranium
      That's called hunting. Your argument is invalid when killing animals become industrialized. And you point is applicable only to deers
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      And trout, and catfish, and wild turkeys, and wild pigs, etc etc.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Also it was pointed out elsewhere, without humans raising these animals(cattle, domestic pig, etc) for food, they would all have starved to death and been extinct.
      Jan 2
    • New / Data NewYear!
      Hundreds of animals survive in the wild. They need habitats and protection, but to say that they will all go extinct if we stopped eating them is truly comical 😆
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Ya your reading comprehension is not your strength... most domesticated animals will be extinct in only a couple years if humans disappeared. Cattle would be gone in only a few months as they mostly starve, without industrial agriculture to pump out the grain needed to keep so many alive.
      Jan 2
  • Amazon hy5ry
    Without modern industrial farming we would not be able to feed the 7 billion people on the planet.

    It's great to say go eat only free range chickens or non GMO vegetables or organically grown produce but all those things take more land and resources to grow.

    The result in macro terms would be starvation as we would not produce all the food required to feed everyone, and in micro terms the result would be food prices would rise significantly and poor people would get priced out of the grocery store.

    Is immoral to support non GMO, organic foods, free range, etc, you are literally causing people to starve.

    Renewable energy is another bugsboo. That 10 percent ethanol gasoline for example that comes from renewable sources just result in corn products costing more, and as a result poor people in developing countries starve.

    Lots of well intentioned stuff actually has a similar effect to the Great Leap Forward in China: meant well but caused mass death.

    Just let the market sort it out. Let people eat whatever they want and let the pricing mechanism drive e efficiency into the system.
    Jan 2 0
  • Micro Focus / Eng brotein
    I’m here for a good time not a long time
    Jan 2 0
  • VMware BobbleHat
    What was wrong with the old thread?
    Jan 2 0
  • Google l4fw9c
    Yes.

    I ain't stopping though.
    Jan 2 0
  • Uber / Eng nYf6sJ
    Let me start another question:
    Is cutting cats' and dogs' dicks immoral?
    Jan 2 2
    • Oracle redvsblue
      It’s their balls, get it right.
      Jan 2
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Is cutting human babies dicks immoral?
      Jan 2
  • Salesforce willforce
    I am vegetarian but I voted No. Morality and food habit have no link.
    Jan 2 0
  • Amazon grimy
    Plants give you the same amount of protein yes .But to get the amount of protein one piece of chicken has you have to eat a whole salad of broccoli.So can you just keep eating buckets of salads all three meals?Im not sure it’s feasible
    Jan 2 0
  • Symantec drthvader
    Many Indian Brahmin have this view that eating meat is immoral. But many of them doesn’t know that still the kashmiri pandit eat meat . They like lamb the most followed by fish and chicken.so it is not immoral to eat meat.
    Jan 2 1
    • AMD Ranium
      You cannot objectively say it is not immoral to eat. For you it maybe not immoral. For some others it may be immoral. Besides morality, environmental reason alone is a compelling argument against eating meat
      Jan 2
  • Glooko / Other drditto
    Eating meat is not immoral. Eating too much of it is, as are big farming/meat agriculture practices.
    Jan 2 0