Is it worth owning a gun and just keeping it locked in a safe?Feb 7
No plans to use it, but feel like I’d feel better knowing it’s there in case something happens.
- New tLFu71Buy the gun it’s your constitutional right. I have plenty. Including one on the bed stand and one downstairs by the couch. It’s your responsibility to protect yourself and your loved ones. The cops and anybody else won’t be there to help you, they’ll be minutes and hours away while seconds count.
- Yes but check the data to see how many toddlers and kids die because of it. That happens in red states too. My parents had a gun that they thought was safe and I remember I'd secretly get it to play cowboy. There was a non zero chance I'd shoot someone accidentally until I was old enough to understand the danger.
- If you’re going to buy a gun, you need to shoot it. If you’re not training, you’re going to end up hurting yourself or someone you love when you’re scared shitless and half awake.
- Also buy some diapers. You will feel better rather than peeing in your pants while holding the actual gun.
- It’s most likely to be used on you or one of your loved ones, statistically speaking
- False. That “study” was a farce. They looked not at owning a gun, then outcome. Instead they looked at 326 people who had been shot in 2 specific counties. They looked at how many of these people had ever possessed a gun. Not if that gun was involved in the shooting. They state nearly all were involved in drugs, have criminal records, no job, & on psychotropic medication. They then admit to fussing at adjustments to the odds to apply it to the general population.
But it fits the narrative, so it get’s touted a lot despite having no basis in reality for anyone.
- Also, measures of center aren’t even important for non ergodastic domains so the whole thing is moot. Statistics can’t save you in a life or death situation. Why anyone would want to be unable to defend their own life is beyond me. Guns aren’t unsafe when proper care is given. I know this as a lifelong gun owner from an area where everyone owns guns. Maybe we’re ALL just lucky? Maybe the study is flawed.
Be an adult. Be a good spouse and parent. Take responsibility and own a gun.
- The problem of USA is that bad people too have the constitutional right to own firearms, and you are not going to be able to protect yourself (or you loved ones) every time. But 'muricans can't use logic, and they can't understand that no firearms for anyone is safer than firearms to everyone.
- Bad people (felons, the insane, domestic violence offenders) don’t have a right to own a firearm. They do still get them, snugging bootleg black market guns from China & the Caribbean.
CDC shows guns are used for defense over 5 times as often as they are used to commit a crime.
Most (2/3rd) US gun deaths are suicide, and most (90%) of homicides are gang related. States with the highest gun ownership have the lowest murder rates. Evidence shows people are in aggregate safer.Feb 72
- When you have bullshit laws like "stand your ground", it's easy to attribute the use of a gun to self defense when instead it was used to attack someone who's just bothering you.
You like statistics?
Check how many people are killed due to firearms in USA (per 1m pop) vs Europe.
Then check how many people are killed (any way) in USA vs Europe.
Then realize that USA is a fucking warzone, and not a civilized country.
- Unless your in a gang or decide to kill yourself (both factors are easily controlled) the death by firearm rate is 3/1M.
That puts us on par with Finland & Italy & about twice as safe as Greece.
But given the ever increasing stabbing & “van of peace” murders that happen in Europe I’ll stay safe in the US with my guns.
- I'm not sure if you are delusional, brainwashed, or a NRA stakeholder.
Either way, you don't seem to listen to reason (you even dispute scientific articles in the posts below), so gtfo troll.
- if you keep it locked in a safe when emergency happens, I’d rather have plates at hand to throw for.
- Fuck all this opinion based partisan thinking. Check these studies. Search google scholar there are dozens more.
Most peer reviewed studies show guns do not increase the safety of the home, they decrease it. YMMV.
- There are lite, damn lies, & statistics.
Just read the studies & their methodologies. The first one looked at the outcome, then ignored their own finding about the prevalence of most of their cherry picked, small sample size being on drugs, out of work, & having criminal records to pretend it applies to the general population. The others follow similar flawed methodology.
If you want to prove A leads to B; you need to sample A & see the prevalence of B. You can’t just sample B, then ignore all factors that aren’t A. Especially when the population of A is significantly larger than the tiny portion that overlaps with which B.
- A basic understanding of statistics & those studies refute themselves.
Believing these studies is like me using this thread to show that working at Amazon causes a lack of understanding of statistics. That’s silly because I’m only looking at the outcome & tracing it back to a single correlation & claiming that’s causal. For a real study I’d need to survey a wide swath of amazon employees (not just those from 2 cherry-picked departments) on their knowledge of statistics.
But if you’re looking for the benefits of gun ownership, there’s the CDC study showing defensive gun use stopping between 2,000,000 & 3,000,000 crimes a year. Based on wide survey data.
Or look up the numerous studies by John Lott. He, unlike his detractors, makes his data & methodologies well known.
Or just look at raw numbers from the CDC. Despite number of guns quadrupling over the last 40 years, accidental gun deaths have gone from 0.6/100,000 to 0.1/100,000.
Or while the vast majority of gun deaths are suicides. And suicide has been trending up since 2000, we’re still at historic lows. Also our suicide rate is the same as other developed nations.
The problem is you won’t trust any source that would look at the number objectively. You’ll claim their biased because they don’t match your world view. But you blindly accept any study that supports it. So go look at the raw data yourself.
- Thanks for at least mentioning some academia (links to direct journals would be better).
The question asked was is it worth carrying a gun at home for safety purposes.
Of the studies you mentioned:
CDC is not peer reviewed (correct me if I'm wrong)
John lott studies: I found one peer reviewed study. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough? Talked about concealed carriers could reduce crime (not that it does, it could)
Suicide being low is not an argument. For those considering suicide, having a gun increases the chances. Period. Enough academia to support this
- Microsoft nodaddyIf it does make you feel better then it's worth it. Maybe keep the safe relativity accessible.
Of course, a gun locked is of little to no use if an emergency is immediate, it's the paradox of gun ownership. Safe guns are unloaded and stored away so no one can get hurt by accident, but that is also a pretty useless gun.