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Is it worth owning a gun and just keeping it locked in a safe?

Feb 7

No plans to use it, but feel like I’d feel better knowing it’s there in case something happens.

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  • New tLFu71
    Buy the gun it’s your constitutional right. I have plenty. Including one on the bed stand and one downstairs by the couch. It’s your responsibility to protect yourself and your loved ones. The cops and anybody else won’t be there to help you, they’ll be minutes and hours away while seconds count.
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    • Western Digital rhrR87
      Again shitty places.. live in a better place chances are less. Don't live in Oakland
      Feb 7
    • New mdGG61
      Please don't let your kids near it, if you have them.
      Feb 7
    • OP
      There were lots of break ins in nice cities on the peninsula this year. It’s not just Oakland
      Feb 7
    • New tLFu71
      No you should absolutely let your kids near them. You should be a proper parent and teach them about guns, how to use them, how to safely handle them, and remove the mystery about them so they are properly equipped in life to be safe and responsible when they are around them.
      Feb 8
    • Western Digital rhrR87
      Hehe
      Feb 8
    • New mdGG61
      Kids play with things tLF. That's their nature! No matter how much preaching you do on them, they wanna experiment things, try things, do things they're not supposed to do.
      Feb 8
    • New tLFu71
      Yet somehow me and millions of others grew up with endless access to tons of guns at home and friends yet nobody shot anyone. Maybe the problem is toxic liberals and liberal values are incapable of being proper parents vs an inanimate object being the problem.
      Feb 8
    • New mdGG61
      Yes but check the data to see how many toddlers and kids die because of it. That happens in red states too. My parents had a gun that they thought was safe and I remember I'd secretly get it to play cowboy. There was a non zero chance I'd shoot someone accidentally until I was old enough to understand the danger.
      Feb 8
    • New mdGG61
      I'm also friends with a lady that used to be married to a cop. Her 3 year old shot himself and died. Family fell apart because of it and I'm happy to introduce you to her if you wan to.
      Feb 8
    • New mdGG61
      And you gotta agree that every school shooting happens caused by a kid with "endless access to tons of guns", right? So likely raised by republicans incapable of being proper parents.
      Feb 8
  • Western Digital rhrR87
    Not worth.. you may get tempted to use it
    Feb 75
    • New tLFu71
      Lol typical mindset of a liberal. You have literally zero self control, zero semblance of personal responsibility, and live entirely emotional lives. This is why liberals want half the things on earth banned.
      Feb 7
    • Western Digital rhrR87
      You didn't get the point.. if you argue with someone or have an incident, if you have a gun you may want to go and use it.. if you do not have, you will never see yourself into the consequences of using it
      Feb 7
    • New tLFu71
      No you don’t get the point. Some of us are actual adults with a sense of responsibility and shooting someone just because of the mere presence of an inanimate object ie a gun isn’t even an option in an argument or incident.
      Feb 7
    • Western Digital rhrR87
      Be happy I don't need a gun you be a man. if you play with fire you may get burn. Best wishes
      Feb 7
    • Microsoft FBisEvil
      Tlfu71 is right and rhrR is a child
      Feb 8
  • Benefitfocus / Data
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    If you’re going to buy a gun, you need to shoot it. If you’re not training, you’re going to end up hurting yourself or someone you love when you’re scared shitless and half awake.
    Feb 72
    • OP
      I’d keep on practicing. I frequent a range for fun currently.
      Feb 7
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      Then I’d say absolutely. Find the one that feels the best in your hands and you seem to get the best groupings out of at the range and buy your own.
      Feb 7
  • Cognizant APIPM
    Also buy some diapers. You will feel better rather than peeing in your pants while holding the actual gun.
    Feb 73
    • OP
      I’ve a fair amount of shooting experience- but not with my own gun
      Feb 7
    • Cognizant APIPM
      All the best dude.
      Feb 7
    • Datadog teemothy1
      And keep it in the safe
      Feb 8
  • It’s most likely to be used on you or one of your loved ones, statistically speaking
    Feb 79
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      False. That “study” was a farce. They looked not at owning a gun, then outcome. Instead they looked at 326 people who had been shot in 2 specific counties. They looked at how many of these people had ever possessed a gun. Not if that gun was involved in the shooting. They state nearly all were involved in drugs, have criminal records, no job, & on psychotropic medication. They then admit to fussing at adjustments to the odds to apply it to the general population.

      But it fits the narrative, so it get’s touted a lot despite having no basis in reality for anyone.
      Feb 8
    • Well you heard it here first. Owning a gun will make your life better and definitely won’t lead to any accidental shootings statistically
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft FBisEvil
      When you lack an argument with nuance, patronizing sarcasm can work well for dummies on social media.
      Feb 8
    • There’s a lot of cherry picking and propaganda around this issue. How do you know that your understanding is truthful and accurate?
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft FBisEvil
      I’m quite certain your sarcasm is a substitute for reason. The person the person that replied made an rebuttal and you made no attempt to counter. I’m familiar with the study so if you want to make a counter rebuttal I’m all ears. Next move is on you.
      Feb 8
    • Looks like this same discussion already happened further down in this thread ✌🏼 again, how do you know what you know?
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft FBisEvil
      Also, measures of center aren’t even important for non ergodastic domains so the whole thing is moot. Statistics can’t save you in a life or death situation. Why anyone would want to be unable to defend their own life is beyond me. Guns aren’t unsafe when proper care is given. I know this as a lifelong gun owner from an area where everyone owns guns. Maybe we’re ALL just lucky? Maybe the study is flawed.

      Be an adult. Be a good spouse and parent. Take responsibility and own a gun.
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft FBisEvil
      Do you have a point?
      Feb 8
  • Microsoft Mr 🌏
    The problem of USA is that bad people too have the constitutional right to own firearms, and you are not going to be able to protect yourself (or you loved ones) every time. But 'muricans can't use logic, and they can't understand that no firearms for anyone is safer than firearms to everyone.
    Feb 74
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      Bad people (felons, the insane, domestic violence offenders) don’t have a right to own a firearm. They do still get them, snugging bootleg black market guns from China & the Caribbean.

      CDC shows guns are used for defense over 5 times as often as they are used to commit a crime.

      Most (2/3rd) US gun deaths are suicide, and most (90%) of homicides are gang related. States with the highest gun ownership have the lowest murder rates. Evidence shows people are in aggregate safer.
      Feb 7
    • Microsoft Mr 🌏
      When you have bullshit laws like "stand your ground", it's easy to attribute the use of a gun to self defense when instead it was used to attack someone who's just bothering you.

      You like statistics?
      Check how many people are killed due to firearms in USA (per 1m pop) vs Europe.
      Then check how many people are killed (any way) in USA vs Europe.
      Then realize that USA is a fucking warzone, and not a civilized country.
      Feb 8
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      Unless your in a gang or decide to kill yourself (both factors are easily controlled) the death by firearm rate is 3/1M.

      That puts us on par with Finland & Italy & about twice as safe as Greece.

      But given the ever increasing stabbing & “van of peace” murders that happen in Europe I’ll stay safe in the US with my guns.
      Feb 8
    • Microsoft Mr 🌏
      I'm not sure if you are delusional, brainwashed, or a NRA stakeholder.
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/13/us-gun-deaths-levels-cdc-2017

      Either way, you don't seem to listen to reason (you even dispute scientific articles in the posts below), so gtfo troll.
      Feb 8
  • Microsoft ldga
    if you keep it locked in a safe when emergency happens, I’d rather have plates at hand to throw for.
    Feb 75
    • Cognizant APIPM
      Best advice for op to Save money on guns and diapers 😆
      Feb 7
    • OP
      You have to keep guns locked in a safe by law.
      Feb 7
    • Microsoft ldga
      yea keep it. If riot does happen you’ll need it. Knives are for close combat/ robberies. For serious events you will need serious arms to defend yourself.
      Feb 7
    • OP
      I was actually thinking more about riots then I was robberies.
      Feb 7
    • New DuQvV7x
      Only MA requires this. No other state does.
      Feb 8
  • Amazon kuchnai
    Congrats you just earned yourself a place in the ruling party!
    Feb 75
    • OP
      Democrats own guns too. My dad is diehard blue and owns a .22
      Feb 7
    • VMware BobbleHat
      A 22 barley qualifies as a gun
      Feb 8
    • OP
      Tell that to all the judgemental people here
      Feb 8
    • VMware BobbleHat
      If you pull a 22 on an intruder, they would prob just start laughing
      Feb 8
    • VMware BobbleHat
      But agree that most people have no idea about guns
      Feb 8
  • Microsoft FBisEvil
    Buy it. Free people should own the means to protect themselves and their families. Police take reports after tragedy happen. Be an adult, get a gun, train well, and be smart.
    Feb 80
  • Amazon / Engtylium
    Fuck all this opinion based partisan thinking. Check these studies. Search google scholar there are dozens more.

    Most peer reviewed studies show guns do not increase the safety of the home, they decrease it. YMMV.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12764330/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/
    Feb 86
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      Stop believing bad studies from partisan sources.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon / Engtylium
      Give me alternative studies to dispute. And lmao to think these journals are partisan. When your party teaches you to stop believing in science journals you have truly been brainwashed.
      Feb 8
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      There are lite, damn lies, & statistics.

      Just read the studies & their methodologies. The first one looked at the outcome, then ignored their own finding about the prevalence of most of their cherry picked, small sample size being on drugs, out of work, & having criminal records to pretend it applies to the general population. The others follow similar flawed methodology.

      If you want to prove A leads to B; you need to sample A & see the prevalence of B. You can’t just sample B, then ignore all factors that aren’t A. Especially when the population of A is significantly larger than the tiny portion that overlaps with which B.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon / Engtylium
      I dont trust you enough to have an opinion, no offense. Can you link me peer reviewed studies to refute the above. Not talking press releases from NRA. Peer reviewed only.
      Feb 8
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      A basic understanding of statistics & those studies refute themselves.

      Believing these studies is like me using this thread to show that working at Amazon causes a lack of understanding of statistics. That’s silly because I’m only looking at the outcome & tracing it back to a single correlation & claiming that’s causal. For a real study I’d need to survey a wide swath of amazon employees (not just those from 2 cherry-picked departments) on their knowledge of statistics.

      But if you’re looking for the benefits of gun ownership, there’s the CDC study showing defensive gun use stopping between 2,000,000 & 3,000,000 crimes a year. Based on wide survey data.

      Or look up the numerous studies by John Lott. He, unlike his detractors, makes his data & methodologies well known.

      Or just look at raw numbers from the CDC. Despite number of guns quadrupling over the last 40 years, accidental gun deaths have gone from 0.6/100,000 to 0.1/100,000.

      Or while the vast majority of gun deaths are suicides. And suicide has been trending up since 2000, we’re still at historic lows. Also our suicide rate is the same as other developed nations.

      The problem is you won’t trust any source that would look at the number objectively. You’ll claim their biased because they don’t match your world view. But you blindly accept any study that supports it. So go look at the raw data yourself.
      Feb 8
    • Amazon / Engtylium
      Thanks for at least mentioning some academia (links to direct journals would be better).

      The question asked was is it worth carrying a gun at home for safety purposes.

      Of the studies you mentioned:

      CDC is not peer reviewed (correct me if I'm wrong)

      John lott studies: I found one peer reviewed study. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough? Talked about concealed carriers could reduce crime (not that it does, it could)

      Suicide being low is not an argument. For those considering suicide, having a gun increases the chances. Period. Enough academia to support this
      Feb 8
  • Nvidia BrightenUp
    It is not a gun if it does not see the light of day!
    Feb 70
  • Nvidia zVEC05
    If you don’t train with it there’s little point in keeping one.
    Feb 70
  • Microsoft nodaddy
    If it does make you feel better then it's worth it. Maybe keep the safe relativity accessible.

    Of course, a gun locked is of little to no use if an emergency is immediate, it's the paradox of gun ownership. Safe guns are unloaded and stored away so no one can get hurt by accident, but that is also a pretty useless gun.
    Feb 70

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