Is move to Canada worth it?

Salesforce canami
Feb 11 44 Comments

Got the invite to apply for PR through express entry.

Was initially excited but now thinking if it's even worth pursuing given all the cons that I found after researching.

Some cons I found -

TC will be half once I account for currency, savings will be even lesser at 1/4th my current rate thanks to high taxes and living expenses. In essence I would have to work 4 years in Canada to build as much wealth as I would build one year in US

Weather is another major con compared to CA.

It's a socialist country disguised as capitalist. You will be one big queue for everything like healthcare and other services.

Too many new immigrants and very few jobs, leading to even lower wages

H1b with 300k TC working at SF

Any insights appreciated

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  • Futurism elonsmusk
    Canadian living/working in the US here:

    To dispel a few notions:

    - “Socialist country disguised as capitalist” — Sure, but what’s your point? Yes, taxes are higher. But, if you’re in a bigger city, which I assume you will be, that is directly put back into infrastructure, public transportation, and health insurance

    - “Big queue for healthcare and other services” — For anything that doesn’t require immediate surgery and specialist care, there’s no real wait. Both surgeries and specialist care is prioritised based on need and how it impacts your day to day life. Is it perfect? No. Do you ever have to worry about healthcare insurance ever again? No. And if it’s something serious, you visit the ER and they’ll take care of you.

    - “Too many new immigrants and very few jobs leading to even lower wages” — this is absolutely false as well as ignorant with hints of racism. Canada was (proudly) built by immigrants and will continue to be done so. We’re a country of 40 million people on the second largest land mass by country. We need more people. Unemployment rate in Canada is at around 6%. Most if not all of my friends in Canada have jobs and, at the very least, make a comfortable living. Enough to afford mortgages, saving tuition for their kids (btw, college tuition is *significantly* cheaper in Canada than in the US) and enough for savings.

    - Weather. Yes, depending on where you live, weather can be more extreme than in the US. However climate-wise, Vancouver is very similar to Seattle, Toronto is very similar to NYC.

    Based on your post, I’d say you’re money driven and should likely not move if your comp is half. That’s a bit of a no-brainer.

    However, Canada excels in its people, the ability to raise a family quite comfortably, excellent public school systems, safety and standard of living.

    Long-term you need to ask yourself what’s the most important thing. Is it making money? (Btw, out of curiosity, how much of your salary goes to your rent in SF?) Or, is it having a family? Or neither? That should help shape your answer.
    Feb 12 6
    • Microsoft ecx
      US is bigger than Canada?! Dude, geography...
      Feb 12
    • Salesforce canami
      OP
      By population
      Feb 12
    • Amazon jacksap
      Lol the US also admits another 200,000 or more through L-1,J-1,O visa etc
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      Every time people say an argument against immigration socialists go crazy and pull racism card. It disgusts me and I'm an immigrant myself. Each country has the freedom to pursue whatever immigration policy they want (in Canada's case looks like they're super open borders for skilled labor) and each individual has the right to express their opinion.
      Feb 12
    • Salesforce canami
      OP
      @jacksap, true but I am not counting the number of temp visa holders Canada is admitting as well. Comparing the PRs for skilled labor only
      Feb 12
  • Apple 🗣ur🧠
    So...what’s the pro then? Clearly you were drawn to Canada for a reason. It isn’t all just immigration is it? Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver are all excellent cities.

    Every socialist country will be the same. Half the TC is the price you pay for a decent and civilized society where the bottom half isn’t shit on and left to survive in sometimes desperate conditions and the city has decent infrastructure. Too many immigrants leads to high competition and lower incomes. But Canadians are very excellent people.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
    Feb 11 1
    • Salesforce canami
      OP
      My only pro was easier immigration to a first world country. Now I am scratching my head as to what was I thinking
      Feb 11
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    • Salesforce canami
      OP
      Everywhere I read people complain about long wait times for getting doctor appointments
      Feb 11
  • Microsoft wbYt28
    Canada is much nicer to live in than the US in general. Two downsides to consider:
    - Considerably lower compensation for the same work
    - Fewer top tech job options
    Feb 11 3
    • Capital One / Eng suraji
      And freaking cold except Vancouver
      Feb 11
    • LinkedIn dracaris
      Yes - Vancouver is the warm and sunny part of Canada. 🤣
      Feb 11
    • Google
      g00gl

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      g00glmore
      haha 12 inch snow still less than 18 ;)
      Feb 11
  • Intel KTPu74
    You are looking at 150 -180 TC CAD . but is this guy gets re-elected , all bets are off
    Feb 11 3
    • Okta doomsday
      I don’t understand your comment
      Feb 11
    • Google / Eng Masaujiri
      Trudeau fucks the economy
      Feb 11
    • Okta doomsday
      Didn’t he bring the express entry?
      Feb 11
  • Equifax
    flstercluk

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    flsterclukmore
    What are your cons other than salary
    Feb 11 3
    • Amazon syrbskcb
      Milk comes in a bag, subsidized healthcare, and the occasional moose.
      Feb 11
    • Salesforce canami
      OP
      Updated with cons
      Feb 11
    • Amazon / Eng NnMm66
      If it matters, Milk in Canada comes in gallon bottles too :|
      Feb 12
  • New / Eng / /
    Pros: life expectancy is 3.5 years higher in Canada
    Feb 11 2
    • Capital One / Eng suraji
      Cons: it's so cold you wish you died sooner
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      Lol, this comment makes no sense since it affects especially lower income families. That won't be the case for OP.
      Feb 12
  • Microsoft MbaT02
    Your primary intention to move to Canada should never be money because you'll make much more staying back in the US.

    I'm planning to move to Canada for the following reasons.
    1. Peace of mind. I don't want to worry every time I extend my visa.
    2. I hate the red tape around an H1B visa. If I want to make money developing apps on the side or freelancing, I don't want my work permit to stop me from doing it.
    3. If I want to take a couple of months off between jobs, I can
    Feb 12 0
  • Salesforce voltron_
    It also depends on where in Canada. I live in New Brunswick and make the same wage as someone in Toronto. But I have a much lower cost of living and commute. That alone makes up for the difference in TC
    Feb 12 2
    • Amazon jacksap
      How much is your TC?Salesforce is in Fredericton right?
      Feb 12
    • Salesforce voltron_
      My t4 last year was 200k. There's offices in Fredericton and Saint John. Halifax also has an office.
      Feb 16
  • Amazon jacksap
    Salary will be lower but only compared to the US.It is not lower compared to Germany ,France,UK,Australia etc.This is the important point your missing.
    You will not get 300k TC anywhere outside the US-period.
    Feb 11 2
    • Nokia noww
      Salary will be lower compared to Bay/seattle area only. All other cities in US are comparable with Canadian salaries... People miss the bigger picture and run behind high number...
      Feb 12
    • Amazon hasfir
      I am making 300k TC in Canada
      Feb 22
  • Microsoft ecx
    You earn more and as an individual as long as you have your tech job, you live well in the US. However, the society as a whole is much better off in Canada; losing your job does not mean no healthcare. The wait time is definitely because people can go to doctors! You never have wait in lines in the US as not enough people can afford to check their health issues!
    Feb 12 0
  • Salesforce 0100010142
    Yes, go. When will your apartment be available?
    Feb 12 0
  • Uber / Eng fudhbe47
    If you want to move, Australia is much better choice than Canada.
    Feb 12 0
  • Amazon / Eng phrahuthkd
    How long have you worked in US? How much have you saved till now? I've 300k Canadian savings after working for 4.5 years (moved from India - not counting assets in India). I'm a single earner as wife is raising the kid. TC 200k. Just want to get an idea how much more I could have saved if I worked in bay area. Some of the savings are due to huge stock appreciation.
    Feb 12 3
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      You would likely make 300k usd. Taxes in California are pretty close Canada's but living costs are way higher. You could still save way more there.
      Feb 12
    • Amazon / Eng phrahuthkd
      I think I'd try moving to Seattle or Austin. No state tax and cheaper housing. Compensation might be slightly lower in Austin but Seattle should be comparable.
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      Seattle's comp is ~15% less than bay area. Though lower taxes and cost living still make you save more.
      Feb 12
  • Amazon Canadian9
    Tc is only good for quality of life. If the quality of life is better then move. Why not try it for a year? I don’t find the medical system to have long wait times. I get in to see my doctor right away.
    Feb 12 2
    • Try making an appointment for an MRI or non-emergency surgery
      Feb 12
    • Amazon Canadian9
      Quick drive over border :)
      Feb 12
  • SendGrid facetube
    if you can work remotely for a us company
    Feb 12 0
  • Amazon / Eng phrahuthkd
    Stay in US
    Feb 12 0