Tech IndustryApr 13, 2018
NewoChl16

Is pip a standard practice for firing people in tech companies?

Just saw it on my new offer letter that “the employment relationship can be terminated by either you or COMPANY X for any reason, at any time, with or without prior notice or cause.” The statement above doesn’t sound like PIP to me, is that normal?

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Apple anonp Apr 13, 2018

Yes, it is normal to say that in the contract, and yes they will still do a PIP to fire you so that they have better legal coverage. I have seen that phrasing in all the companies I have worked

Amazon ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ Apr 13, 2018

It has nothing to do with pip. This is at-will employment and is very common in the US, tech or not.

Microsoft Kdufus Apr 13, 2018

That clause is called Employment At Will, which basically means what it says. It has nothing to do with PIP. PIP is company's own thing, not a legal thing. You are put on PIP if you are considered incompetent by your management, and under most circumstances this is just a grace period for you to find another gig and bounce. At Will, however, means if you did something really egregious, your company can fire you immediately and kick you out in an hour. Of course vice versa you have the same right to resign and leave immediately

Snapchat lolll Apr 13, 2018

Not every company, in Snap they’ll fire you immediately without any notice, and if in visa, they’ll report to USCIS immediately, too

Snapchat lolll Apr 13, 2018

Oh they’ll give you a 1-hour notice

Snapchat WtfSnap Apr 13, 2018

This is true

Tencent Whywhyw🏆 Apr 13, 2018

???

Zillow Group sofaking Apr 13, 2018

As long as you do it in a virtualenv you’re safe

Microsoft PyConda Apr 13, 2018

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Twitch 55&$477gsz Apr 13, 2018

"at will employment" is a California standard

Amazon ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ Apr 13, 2018

Also everywhere else except Montana.

Apple Marijuana Apr 13, 2018

Generally, if they want to fire you but can’t find anything blatantly wrong, they’ll PIP you to get rid of you.

Autodesk Anomalyæ Apr 15, 2018

In older tech companies they do this though layoff