Is talk about total compensation important? Also: is Blind worth it as a starting Woman in Tech?

Ivanti insomniati
Sep 12 37 Comments

I joined Blind while doing a summer data engineering internship, and was introduced to a world of talking about/comparing total compensation (TC), how much working software sucks, and so on. I'm finishing up my last class for my degree in computer science.

As someone who lives in a lower cost of living area, hearing about 500k TC blows my mind. As a new graduate with at least 2 years of software industry work experience, I would be happy to have anything around 70-80k base salary.

While I am looking for my first job out of college, I'm not sure whether being on Blind is actually helpful for me - from what I've seen, most of the posts are about comparing TCs and being as rude as possible to one another. To be fair, I've only been on Blind for one month, but this is my honest opinion of it so far: it seems a lot like Reddit, but with more bragging and complaining.

For my fellow women in Tech - is the talk about TC important at all? Furthermore, do you think that Blind actually helps/furthers you in your career?

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  • Oracle
    not_larry

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    not_larrymore
    TC or GTFO
    Sep 12 10
    • Oracle
      not_larry

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      not_larrymore
      OP, it’s not the all important thing as portrayed by Blind. But it’s a way of keeping score. There are more important things like having a family, hobbies and in general a life outside of work which are not captured in the TC number. I could double my TC if I wanted to, but I won’t because I know that means I will be seeing my family a lot less which is unacceptable to me.

      TC or GTFO is a Blind meme of sorts. All posts usually have OP’s TC. If not we ask for it.
      Sep 12
    • Ivanti insomniati
      OP
      Thanks for your thoughts, @not_larry. That is my point of view as well. And it's good to understand why TC is so used when it comes to Blind. Keeping score is always going to be a thing; I just choose not to play that game.
      Sep 12
    • Oracle
      not_larry

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      It’s a balancing game. You have to pay attention to TC as well, if not you are going to get paid way less than your market rate.
      Sep 12
    • Ivanti insomniati
      OP
      Good point! So...play the game as needed, but don't let it get to your head?
      Sep 12
    • Oracle
      not_larry

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      Fast learner spotted.
      Sep 12
  • Intel Pointless4
    Hi there! I’m also a woman in tech and live in a LCOL. I’ve found it helpful to see how many companies are out there and honestly has helped me find opportunities that I didn’t know existed. Take all the TC talk with a grain of salt, but also understand that you work for money and it’s good to know your worth and maximize the value of your time. You can always mute it when your happy with your job, then look at the posts more when your searching for a new opportunity.

    Good luck and congrats on graduating!
    Sep 12 1
    • Ivanti insomniati
      OP
      Thank you so much for this response! And thank you for the advice. :)
      Sep 12
  • Salesforce meaow
    I'm a woman in tech and I realized that the people on Blind are a sample of the male coworkers I might work with. A large portion of them are assholes. It helped me know the truth about it and be less starry eyed. I know that a manager being nice in front of you means nothing and I can read their bias. And you absofuckinglutely should ask for more TC.

    Blind also helped me on a personal level - I can read guys better after listening to their banter on an almost fully male forum. I have a lot more appreciation and respect for the "beta guy" with a good heart and low TC who is a sweet heart than someone with a 500k TC. I'm dating one such person now. Something I might not have considered earlier.
    Sep 12 4
    • Bloomberg / Eng F.U. money
      I’m sorry you could only get a beta.... JK 🤣
      Sep 12
    • Amazon OdpS15
      All tech workers are betas or gammas. Their wannabe type As really.
      Sep 12
    • Salesforce meaow
      I'm a woman in tech and I cannot tell you the number of times I've been run over in meetings or silenced by louder people and met aggressive guys who will step on anyone's toes to succeed. If that's not type A what is?
      I really don't want that shit in my personal life so it's been a conscious choice.
      Sep 12
    • Amazon OdpS15
      Type A personalities are leaders not bullies.
      Sep 13
  • Bloomberg / Eng F.U. money
    It’s helpful. Being unaware of what’s possible is not helping your progress and let me tell you, as soon as you start making that base and life hits you, you’re going to realize that you underestimated life and you’re going have a hard time making things work, saving for retirement, etc.
    Sep 12 6
    • Schonfeld / Eng
      9527

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      9527more
      So what if they laugh at you? That only tells you they are cheap bastards. The difference between 85k and 100k base is peanut money for pretty much every company.
      Sep 12
    • Ivanti insomniati
      OP
      That is a good point, @9527. Would a new graduate have any leverage in that kind of conversation, though? 100k is more like what senior devs in my area make.
      Sep 12
    • Schonfeld / Eng
      9527

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      Best way is have competing offers. Besides there’s no law that says a junior dev has to make less than a senior dev. In my career I’ve seen awesome dev making $55k a year, while some incompetent ones taking home 5 times more than that.
      Sep 12
    • Ivanti insomniati
      OP
      I think you just hit the nail on the head as to why blind is important, @9527. I think a lot of the reason that dev makes $55k a year is that they don't know that their coworkers are making so much more than them. Blind gives the ability to have the 'salary' talk from an anonymous area, since it can be a taboo conversation in person.
      Sep 12
    • Wayfair bnKI45
      Salary info is really important if you want to get the best or even market rate pay for your position. Blind is just one source of that info and not a particularly accurate one due to all the BS bragging that gos on. Talk to your colleagues / friends about salary and look up salary surveys (these always skew low for tech so just add ~20%). For your first job the company / tech / team is a lot more important than the salary. Luckily for the most part the best places to work also pay well so you shouldn't have to compromise. Definitely don't pick some crappy job at an insurance company over a good tech company because of a $10k salary difference. It will cost you a lot more in the long run
      Sep 12
  • Tableau Kaczynski
    Not a woman but honestly I’d get off of here until you’re looking for specific info on the interview process or expected comp at one or more companies (and there are better resources for both). Keep in mind there is also a lot of wrong or skewed data and info here due to trolling, selection basis, and various other factors. It’s a corrosive and often flat out stupid environment and often full of antipathy towards women. Some of us try to contribute useful info where we can but I often question why I spend time on here myself. It is useful to what the upper bounds of what is possible so you can strive for that. But also realize it can be debilitating and depressing for some. YMMV.
    Sep 12 2
    • Wayfair bnKI45
      Completely agree with this, it's not representative of tech workers in general as most are good people who would rather spend time with family and friends than on blind blaming their inadequacies on women and foreigners.
      Sep 12
    • Amazon OdpS15
      Lol... blind is very representative of tech workers.
      Sep 12
  • Amazon OdpS15
    Blind is a toxic wasteland for women.
    Sep 12 0
  • Tableau
    enginееr

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    enginееrmore
    I don’t recommend reading Blind when you are happy. It is only useful when you are considering changing teams, companies.
    Sep 12 0
  • Cruise Automation / Eng ⛸️
    I'm a woman who's been here since 2017 (my previous job search; just about to wrap up my current one).

    Blind is a really good way to open your eyes to how things work in the industry in general - especially compensation. It can be the motivation to ask for more, either within your own company or elsewhere in industry switching jobs.
    In my experience, it can also be the secret look into breaking news at your company (if you have a company-specific lounge) before it's public or company knowledge - or even things that weren't meant to be exposed.

    In my experience, I love it because even though most things should be taken with a grain of salt, it's also a rare look into the reality that's happening around you.

    It's also amusing with all of the inside jokes and shitposting. :D
    Sep 12 0
  • Microsoft xPgf80
    Blind is good for learning some of the inner workings of your company that you wouldn’t otherwise know about.
    Blind is also good for entertainment.
    Blind is also NOT good for many things. Constant TC complaints/bragging and rude trolls are among them.

    Take Blind with a grain of salt. There is some useful information and there is some toxic spew.
    Sep 12 0
  • Oracle 8sfYN
    What's this about being a woman? Blind doesn't care about your gender, just your TC. If you want comparison points between companies, use it. If you want to know actual reasonable pay, throw it out the window since no one posts their resume + location + YoE + LC count alongside TC, which all have a huge impact, much more that any controversial factors.

    First piece of Blind wisdom though: as a data engineer, you will be making much less than your SWE counterparts.
    Sep 12 1
    • Ivanti insomniati
      OP
      The data engineering part is good to know - in actuality, the internship was actually a machine learning internship where the majority of what I was doing was creating our data pipeline so we could run models on it. That led me to realize that I liked data engineering, and making machine learning actually possible.

      It's funny because I've worked two SWE internships as well, and the insight I got from meetups and such was that data engineering was higher paid. It does also seem that this area tends to have much less defined roles, and most data engineering jobs here are as software engineers that also know data engineering, not the other way around.
      Sep 12
  • Capital One MV60037
    Female here, for the longest time (almost a decade mind you) I was very happy with a decent salary doing something I loved, I was great at it, with a lot of expertise and skills to offer. But all I got was taken advantage of. My male coworker who became a friend disclosed he was making 30% more doing exactly the same thing as me. He also pushes back all of the ad-hoc requests at work. So please take this with a grain of thought, don’t strive to be happy, be alert and watch out for yourself.
    Sep 21 0
  • Google əๅɓoo⅁
    Why being a woman makes TC discussion unimportant? You don’t want to be part of the statistic that makes women look underpaid.
    Of course, there are other (more) important things in life, but there are different forums for that.

    Being rude to each other and complaining- yes, a lot of this going on here...
    Sep 12 1
    • Databricks / Data
      data4u

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      data4umore
      Nobody cares about the guys getting shafted at there company
      Sep 12

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