I have heard of my female colleagues receiving less, and I have read studies but am not sure if every variable was considered. I want to know, if you apply for the same position, will a man get offered more money? I'm wondering if everyone gets offered the same wage, and by chance women just never negotiated to the same salary as others?
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So far I think it's been insightful! Only really one person speaking out no, but many others have shed light to the question and it's been very helpful
If you're referring to me as saying, "no" than you're incorrect. I acknowledge that there may be a wage gap, but a very small one at that and it all depends on what industry you're speaking about as well. This problem isn't as black and white as "is there a wage gap"?
it's still a wage gap even if the reason has to do with willingness to negotiate, so I don't understand your question
I guess my question is that even if everyone gets offered the same amount, isn't it unfair to say that there is a wage gap if it's solely dependant on the person's willingness to negotiate? Isn't that more of a person problem than a gender problem?
Why is salary dependent on one's ability to negotiate?
You are sexist. Hiring managers (both women and men) refuse to offer more when negotiated with... even being armed with the data and negotiation classes.
Wage gap is persistent even when controlling for negotiation ability. Those who think there is no wage gap simply haven't taken the time to research the topic.
Thank you
Women are also penalized for negotiating. Women are perceived as mean or aggressive when a man is perceived as "knowing what he's worth" or "being confident". This is documented. Why do we have to keep relitigating the facts of sexism in 2017? It's insidious, it's subtle, it's definitely there.
I'm just curious as the specifics of the wage gap and you helped clarify that, thank you
Just, simply, not true. Women that are perceived aggressive or mean are simply just that. I've met a couple of women that complain being perceived this way and those women are the epitome of being mean and aggressive. There is a large deceptive movement happening about this and it sickens me. I see it in the office on a day to day basis. These women that are perceived in that negative tone need to learn how to communicate better and check themselves before looking to point fingers at others. All I see is defensiveness, hunger for power and control and in return, they come off as aggressive and mean. It's really that straight forward.
I bet dude thinks the earth is flat, too
And that vaccines are worse than the disease
Vaccines obviously cause autism. Everyone knows that.
Do the smallest amount of research and you'll find that the wage gap is a statistical manipulation
Stopping at "the smallest amount of research" is where you went wrong.
as a female, can confirm most females suck at negotiating (meaning, most don't even try), let's say most = 80%, then there are 10% who over-correct and negotiate for every LITTLE thing (which is annoying and missing the point of negotiations, negotiations are strategic, not something you do because a book told you that females need to negotiate more... these are also typically the same women that are most vocal and would label themselves sjw), and then there's 10% who fall somewhere in between. of course this is purely observational from personal experiences and stories of friends/family, so take it with a grain of salt, because I could be living in a very unique and strange bubble.
when accounting for actual hours worked and job position the gap is lost in the error rate. all of the studies that point to a large gap do not use correct controls. for example they list full time workers as anyone that works more than 30 hours a week. the problem is that for a number of reasons women tend to work fewer hours and men work more. so if a woman's hours average is 38 hours and men 45 they expect them to make the same. the studies also don't properly drill down to positions. for example they compare men and women in software development. so they don't account for the first that more women are in QA while developers tend to be men. when they take job description and duties into account again the gap is gone. so as we all learned lies, damn lies, and statistics. really this false facts do women a disservice as they don't point out the real issue. choose the correct position, choose to work the same hours or accept the difference. while negotiating is important don't be an crazy person. the number if young women that try and negotiate pay up front before even getting past the first round of interviews let alone be at the offer stage is crazy.
So assuming you have your facts straight here, the follow up question is...why aren't women entering more competitively paid fields and why do they average fewer hours than men? Are young girls being introduced and socialized to STEM fields at the same rate as young boys? Do women have different constraints when it comes to family and home duties that lead them to reduce hours worked? (Spoiler: there is literature on these topics...)
U.S. wide? yes. tech sector wide? yes, but better than the national average. top tier tech companies? yes, but better than the tech sector average. if you're lucky enough to work for a company that values all employees equally, don't let that blind you to the problem that exists everywhere else.
Show proof or it didn't happen.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just wondering if it's because women weren't offered more money initially