I am discussing here in Blind with user "gameday" from Amazon if when he says the following he is being racist :"Indians are great, smart, hard working people but put them all in one place and you will get the corruption and bribery that is India coming here. None of them will like it but they will put up with it because it's just the way they are used to." It seems obvious to me that attributing corruption and bribery to a race rather than to individuals and arguing that the only way to prevent those traits from coming in to the US is to dillute a race is obviously racist, but he seems to disagree. Am I wrong?
Indian isn’t a race it’s a nationality. The race would also include those from Pakistan etc.
Bravo! You really got to the meat of the issue there.
This vote will be more meaningful if the voters can honestly self-identify their race first and then vote. Remember, someone said more than 50% of Blind users are Indians. For good for bad, the current policy is targeting illegal immigration (mostly Mexicans) and legal immigration overly taken advantage of by Indians. It is racist but it is also truth.
Legal immigration overly taken advantage of by Indians? Do some math. Indians make up 18% of the global population. They make up 6% of immigrants coming to the US the past few years. Sounds underrepresented to me...
They make up 80% of H1-b beneficiaries.
It’s a generalization. It may be correct in more cases than incorrect, but it’s incorrect to assume that any random Indian will be some corrupt mooch who just wants to do the least to skate by.
I think the statement targets group think and how homogeneity may be bad for an individual. Yes, it was said very poorly but the same can be said for any group of people. It targets a nation not a race and seeks to apply the characteristics of that nation on a group of people from there. It's like saying that a group of Indians together will speak hindi and not English even though they are in America, because in India they speak hindi. The problem here is not with the overall premise but with the precise characteristic being used, i.e corruption.
It will be seen by most as racist but the argument made is appealing to culture, not race. There is a culture of corruption and bribery in India and it is a genuine concern that some Indians will bring that with them. I think the danger from insular actions (e.g. Hindians hiring Hindians) is both much more likely and can be seen in the workplace today. The funny one to watch is white (often old) men hiring Hindian eye candy to meet URM quotas. Experienced, educated smart older non Hindian women need not apply.
Racists have been pulling the "it's just culture" card since 1965. Still racist.
culturist maybe?
You created a new thread because of what another user said on here? That’s pretty insecure friend
One of the great damages that Trump presidency has caused is to normalize racism again in America after 50 years. Hence it is my job to counteract it by calling out as publicly as possible racist ideas.
You’ll die of exhaustion. Perhaps a better right is to not give them attention, and certainly not give them a megaphone by verbatim coping what they said into its own thread.
It’s called being lazy, most white Americans are more guilty than the Indians we have here. Why do you think we had to bring these guys over?
Yes, he is racist. He is clueless. Corruption is not because of race, it's not attributed to race, it's a way of thinking, and you can find it all over the world, including the US, UK, Russia, China, Australia, Canada, etc... Those who think they can get away with criminal behavior without being caught or being able to navigate the legal system to get away with it.
I didn't attribute it to race, the OP did. I absolutely attributed it to culture and pointed out that Indians who integrate into US culture are very happy to get away from it. So I absolutely do not think it's race. But it's wrong to claim India is just the same as the US. India has a Transparency International score of 40. The US has a score of 75. That's not the same, while there are issues in the US there are existential problems with corruption and fraud in India.
Yes it is. He said Indians are great, smart, and hard working. He is targeting a specific group of people.
Saying all Indians are great, smart and hardworking is the exact same level of generalization, only with a positive bias. There are good and bad people across every race, gender and nationality.
I was making the point that it's not the individuals, you're trying to find racism where none exists because you want to avoid the actual fact that India as a whole does have a very real problem.
It’s blind. Get over it
It’s textbook racism. Next.