It'll be US's loss to not give Indian enough GC, and here's why

Facebook / Eng ghSh43
Jun 8, 2018 96 Comments

Indian's economy is booming, and it's already large enough for India's own tech giants. Those who return will build India's own search engine, social network, mobile os, transportation app, etc. and the US companies that makes tons of profit from India will cry.
Time to sell your Google / FB / Amazon stocks

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  • Microsoft Djsjsjka
    My team hired lots of IIT graduates. If they really represents the best quality people from India, I doubt Indian companies will ever come out anything that can beat Google/FB/Amazon.

    Don’t get me wrong, these people are smart and hard working, but considering they are probably 1 out of 10000 talented people in India, their brain power failed to blow me away.

    If India only produces a few thousands of them every year, most of them are here competing with second tier state university graduates from US, and they are not always winning... what gives you so much confidence for those who stay in India?
    Jun 8, 2018 21
    • Microsoft Djsjsjka
      That’s being said, Indian people do appear to be very competitive overseas when Indian industries are not competitive at all. It is not wrong at all to say if these people return, they would make India a better place. But it is very different to build a company like Google than to become a VP in Google, just like tennis is very different game from soccer. And it is very wrong to say these people can do what they do here back in India.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Containerd
      Folks this isn’t a dick measuring context between Indians and Chinese. I think we both know there’s great folks from both countries making America better. My advisor was from Tsinghua and I respected him a lot.

      @Djsjska go to the MIT faculty page of EECS, you must be using bing.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Djsjsjka
      so now it is MIT alone? I did check Stanford page before I asked? didn’t seem to support what you said.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Containerd
      Jfc, get back to work kid.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Djsjsjka
      you have a point or you don’t, call me a kid only show your weakness. But your are not wrong about the work:)
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Adobe Lucifer_00
      @Djsjska you are probably basing your opinion on the sample of IIT people you interacted with. There are bound to be average people at great schools. That’s it’s always good to compare cream of any school with each other. I had similar experiences with grads from UC Berkeley and Stanford. Came very close to firing some of them. But I can’t say all their students are average.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft Djsjsjka
      there are at least 10 schools get same quality or better students as Stanford in US, 40 schools get the same quality or better students as Berkeley. If on average they produce 2000 undergraduates each, together, we are talking about 100000 people in a country with 300 millions population. Masters quality is even lower because of high tuition. IIT folks are supposed to be the best 10000 people of the year in a country with 1 billion population, right?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Deutsche Bank NyGy
      Guys this Djs... is a troll posting on multiple India related threads - ignore him please
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Microsoft Djsjsjka
      You have a point or you don’t, call me names doesn’t make you right. It only shows you run out of arguments.

      All I have been saying is USA is a country with better education system and producing people with higher productivity. Why do people even debate about this? What kind of fool would argue against it? If you think your country is better and your people are more productive, why don’t you stop using English and return to your country to enjoy the productiveness?
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Uber 💩bag
      It amazes me that these people say Americans are dumb and lazy, yet they are all desperate to come here.

      The massive influx of Indians into the Bay Area is turning it into a hybrid of India, where we the type of intense competition, discrimination, and other negative aspects of Indian culture but now in America. We need to hit pause on this until people assimilate.

      The ironic part of this is that their kids tend to be fairly Americanized and don't like having to deal with some of this shit either.
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Aon Hewitt Skjgvg
    I doubt people will return they will just go to Canada or Australia
    Jun 8, 2018 4
    • Amazon 123raj
      They're shutting their doors slowly too. Indians need to start going back and fix their own country.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Mesosphere onsie
      The engineer salaries in India aren’t that bad now. A LOT of people would be going back. The only issues are corruption, pollution but not money.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      Agreed. How can we solve traffic and pollution?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Public transport. Don't need cars if you can ride a tram
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Microsoft maverickk
    You're missing an important factor here OP. The boom that you're referring to is happening in cities like Bangalore which is an absolute nightmare for commuters. The traffic is beyond chaotic. Indians would rather just go to Aus, Canada, EU etc. Even with the long GC wait, US is a 100 times better in every way. The pros outweigh the cons.
    Jun 8, 2018 1
    • Aon Hewitt Skjgvg
      Exactly the pros outweigh the cons, otherwise people wouldn't have come to the US in the first place
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Microsoft Hdv15
    Bravo. You are such a great predictor. Everyone is so afraid now Oh my God.

    No.
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Juniper ftdj3
    Time to MIGA!
    Jun 8, 2018 13
    • Salesforce / Eng Vlad Putin
      It was great?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft maverickk
      We'll all go broke trying to MIGA. Most of us gross at least 10k+ per month here. That number will go down to $300-$400. That's chicken feed. Better to stay in the US and keep making it rain on them hoes.. 🤑
      You can always travel to meet friends and relatives a couple of times a year.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      @Putin - na only u were great. Brits came to loot cause we were already so poor.
      @maverick - dont speak out of your ass. Good engineers make around 5-6k usd in places like blr ( per month)
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft maverickk
      @raj go back then. No one's holding your fucking hand. Good luck getting stuck in traffic for about 4 hours a day. Idiot.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Salesforce / Eng Vlad Putin
      So Make India Mughal Empire Again?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      @maverick - Lmao c****** i already am. Did that get your panties in a bunch? Great! I didnt expect anything else from someone without balls
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft maverickk
      @raj, lol you can't even curse without censoring yourself even though this is an anonymous forum. What a fucking loser 😂. Man the fuck up you pussy.
      And btw, how's it working out for you there? Are you having fun in traffic?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      @maverickk - you believe this is really anonymous!? No u seriously do? Lmao then you're a bigger dimwit than i thought 😂😂

      It's amazing ..everytime i get stuck i curse your mom 😉
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft maverickk
      @raj: What are you? Like 12? When you have nothing else to say, you resort to "your mom" jokes. 😂👏🏻
      No point arguing with a shit stain like yourself. 🤷‍♂️
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      Waah! Look we got a real badass winner here. Here suck on your victory lollypop 🍆 😂😂
      Jun 8, 2018
  • New / Eng DarkFlame
    There will just be more hiring towards Chinese. Don’t u worry.
    Jun 8, 2018 5
    • Mesosphere onsie
      The same stupid GC rules would then apply to them. It’s currently 5 years for China and it would get worse too. Don’t you worry if this is your solution :p
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Where do you find out wait per country?
      Jun 8, 2018
    • LinkedIn BlahAndBla
      Google USCIS bulletin
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Okay cool~ seems no wait time for the UK
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Microsoft budwis
      Chinese will go back before Indian because China is a more comfortable place to live and career-wise Chinese are not as blessed as Indians in US office. Since Chinese are not going back, I see no reason why Indian should.
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Amazon alki
    It'll only be good for the US and the world if India's economy improves, it'll boost trade which benefits all. The rise of China's economy was excellent for the US economy for example. Previously poor people start buying American products and producing stuff Americans buy. It's great.

    So that seems like not reason to issue more Indian greencards?

    Also the very best Indians come here on EB1 and don't have a backlog. While the EB2 crowd include excellent engineers, they aren't the very best. The very best get EB1 and have no problem to get greencards.
    Jun 8, 2018 22
    • Amazon haci
      USCIS ticks boxes, so "publication" is just as gameable as "PhD". USCIS can't tell the difference between a reputable academic journal and a pay for play trash rag any more than it can investigate what are good schools.

      So I'm not sure how you expect USCIS to do this without getting played.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon max9chars
      it's not about publications - it's about how many publications have CITED your publications. The idea here, as you understand, is that a publication that has been cited by other publications must have some merit in it. The effort required to game this is not going to be trivial, so false positives will be relatively fewer, if any at all. I know someone who completed his PhD from a university in India (not IIT or IISC), came to the US on a postdoc, and got his GC in EB1. He has solid research experience, and many cited publications under his name. You cannot game this. It doesn't matter which university you attended. It's the quality of work that counts. EB1 mostly goes to people who deserve it.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon haci
      You can buy citations too. Just get your shit University to round robin cite its own bullshit or create a network of shit universities that cite each other's bullshit. Require your students to cite one another. Bribe legitimate researchers to throw in spurious references to your studies in otherwise good research (just add one extra reference to an already well supported point, who will complain).

      It's worth the effort if it produces thousands of EB1 visas for the consulting companies. You're naive if you think this can't happen.

      Jun 8, 2018
    • Oath Pewdiepie
      Possible. But I still don’t see why/how a PhD is easier to game than becoming a manager.

      Personally haven’t seen any sub par phds get a gc but have heard of super crappy managers get them. But that’s just my circle. May not be diverse enough.

      Also extending eb1 to only people who were managers outside the USA is in no way capturing the most talented people. Just seems moot to me. Either provide it to all managers or none.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon haci
      Oh I know for sure the manager thing gets abused too. I'm just pointing out that USCIS is never going to be able to judge merit effectively.

      So long as it's just checking boxes to get points or meet conditions there will be games played to get the boxes checked.

      If you really wanted it to be objective limit it to people who get hired by American owned fortune 500 companies and not in a consulting role, they will genuinely try and hire the best with committees of industry interviewers who can spot bullshit. But then startups will complain etc.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Oath Pewdiepie
      Yeah no easy solution
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon max9chars
      Haci@ your argument is counter-intuitive. You can self apply for EB1 - so consulting companies don't come into the picture. Have you seen cases like the one you mentioned, or was it just hypothetical? And you really believe hiring in fortune 500 companies is completely objective and can't be gamed?
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Amazon haci
      Have I seen fraud in the Indian education system? Have people paid for bogus job offers to get an immigration benefit?

      Are you fucking kidding me?

      And while there's always going to be some level of gaming there are some systems that are resistant and some that are rife.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Amazon max9chars
      And the solution you end up proposing is to hand it out to leetcoders working for big tech (among others)? Height of entitlement!
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Amazon haci
      Not sure if that was directed at me but I very much want immigrants in all fields, not just tech. I believe we should bring the best and the smartest for the long term benefits, not just what they can do this year.

      So bring the best from every industry and profession.

      But yeah I think the fortune 500 are motivated to hire good employees and have the industry expertise to cut through bullshit degrees and fake work experience and hire people who are actually really good.

      At least, better at doing that than the government is. I don't make any absolute claims, there is always an error rate, we only control whether it's a large or small error rate.
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Wells Fargo qUyB01
    I doubt that a few people returning home will lead to Google/FB/Amazon losing their massive advantages
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • The US is currently in the process of trying to kick its own dick off. I wouldn’t count on a rational approach to anything
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Oath Pewdiepie
    Btw those who are capable of building India’s google , amazon , Facebook etc are probably already doing it. Those who aren’t, are looking for the comfort of a job , preferably in the USA.
    Jun 8, 2018 4
    • Uber 🤖👾!
      I thought the US got the best and brightest via the h1b???
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Oath Pewdiepie
      Kind of. Point I was trying to make is that someone with entrepreneurial ambitions probably doesn’t care as much for the green card process which ties them down to a 9-5 job for over a decade. If they have an idea, they will pursue it.

      And those who go back to india only because they didn’t get a visa/gc won’t suddenly turn entrepreneurial. Will still look for a high paying job. Just my opinion.
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      Pewdiepie is right
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Uber 🤖👾!
      That makes sense
      Jun 8, 2018
  • LinkedIn llllhhh
    India is not China. Quality of life is too low. Not many Indians are going back. It is a very different story on Chinese engineers.
    Jun 8, 2018 1
    • Deutsche Bank NyGy
      People have started going back . And once it finally dawns on them that they have no way of getting a GC in their lifetime more will go for sure
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Apple r86sw655sd
    Indian people have lot of potential but the Indian government is one big bureaucracy machine. That's the reason why we don't have any tech giants. That coupled with US/China lobbying makes it almost impossible.
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Amazon 123raj
    While i agree with the broader point bro you seem to be speaking from a position of weakness. More like a case of sour grapes
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Cisco knightster
    Booming economy? There are 8 lakh engineers without job thats about 60%. Freshers are paid $100 per month.I dont know where we can sit when u go back.
    Jun 8, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      All stupid data ... please provide some backup
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Nokia mno
      Wrong Data..Fresher's can easily get paid between $6k-$8k a year. With good companies this number go higher.. With good number of experience there are so many good software engineers in India who earns $60-100k USD a year. I personally know people from my team who sits in India and earns 40lac/$70k a year. Product companies pays very well in India than service industries.
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Apple myprecious
    There is a thread about Indians going back. Looks like no one wants to :)
    Jun 8, 2018 2
    • Amazon 123raj
      Which is why they should be forced out for their own good
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Apple myprecious
      Ok nazi
      Jun 8, 2018
  • Uber 🤖👾!
    If this is true, then why do Indians get so upset about the prospect of restrictions to the h1b?
    Jun 8, 2018 1
    • Apple Postm
      These comments reflect a small minority.
      Jun 13, 2018
  • Cisco Nfnsms
    Don’t discredit the American business ingenuity. Even Ncg can write code - and from your post it’s clear that MIGA is based on copying things already built “search engine” Paytm flipkart etc -nothing original. With copying all you will have ka flipkart like sales to Walmart. What original success has come out of indian software companies? Time to introspect - and think beyond “aryabhatta invented zero”
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Cisco Nfnsms
    First of all hello and MAGA. “Those who return will build India's own search” no they won’t go to India. The current political situation in indian has gone to dogs due to right wing stupidity. Unless the hate festered indian mentality is fixed - roads and progress don’t matter. Seriously start worry about the day when us actually starts sending back people. US provides great opportunities to Indian be thankful for that .. rest there is no need for bitching as return ticket is always a option
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Disney Emil
    Nope. Pajeet paradise will never be.
    Jun 8, 2018 0
  • Uber Stfr
    OP just hoping for a a dip in FAANG to BTFD
    Jun 8, 2018 0

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