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Joining Facebook

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Jun 13

Have an offer from Facebook as e5 185k /500k/30k this is 30% over my current compensation at msft
I have spent 10 years at Microsoft with 17 yoe. Should I take it up. I am just so scared. I am 40 and have a toddler to take care of. Have heard Facebook wlb is bad there is rampant age discrimination with females. Thoughts I just want to run away

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  • Tango Health / Englyub4y2
    Do you like your work at Msft apart from the comp?
    Jun 1312
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      gloom

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      But I can easily switch in msft internally
      Jun 13
    • Tango Health / Englyub4y2
      Well take the FB offer and if things do not work out well, you can land back in a different team. Again its your decision and only you have access to the best window to your new house :)
      Jun 13
    • Microsoft Fang+flag
      WLB means work and life, not work only, not life only either. I will feel totally boring if only work so less hours a week.
      Jun 13
    • Facebook kjmonk
      If I'm reading correctly. Most of the time you only need to work 6 hours a week? If that's the case I likely wouldn't move to FB unless you want something new and interesting. Money isn't everything given how much free time MS affords you.
      Jun 13
    • Tango Health / Englyub4y2
      If I read that correct she works 11-2 twice a week and that is just 4 hrs.
      Jun 13
    • Qualcomm TuP
      Your salary (hourly rate) is indeed much higher in Microsoft working 4 hours week. Fb can’t match it for sure. If you like to spend time with your toddler for a few more years at least, then stay at Microsoft. If you are feeling unhappy working so much less, then switch.

      Microsoft is the best company for WLB and especially for females. Imagine your high hourly pay 💰 damn !
      Jun 13
    • Microsoft / Eng
      gloom

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      But this hourly rate does not scale even if I decide to put in 6 hours a day. It remain the same in fact may go down - as either I will be doing Junior engineer work - in which case I need to be down leveled as I am not performing up to my level or I may get in way of other senior cartel by doing some design work. This cartel has established boundaries, they have worked together for past 15 years in different teams and do not welcome any outsider who may be a threat - which is why 65 position at Microsoft is dicey if you do no have godfathers in a top heavy company. In fact most of msft is like this - cartel run people working together with same manager for 10 years following manager across projects
      Jun 13
    • Qualcomm TuP
      It seems you are ambitious and indeed you did a fantastic job cracking F interviews. Just go ahead and join them. You will learn something new even if you end up working more hours and of course those more hours will scale for you in terms of rewards
      Jun 13
    • Facebook kjmonk
      Doesn't scale for hourly rate, but it's a lot of free time, it's what you value to have more of.

      I'm in a similar position and looking internally and externally. It's cush, bit too cush for comfort. When job security is this dicey, it's time to look for something new. You spend a lot of mental capacity otherwise thinking of changing jobs and worrying about job security instead of enjoying your free time.
      Jun 13
    • Adobe Sdjfiendji
      I was in similar position (10 years at Adobe with a toddler). I also had 4 hour week sometimes and had flexible work hours. It was very valuable when my son was less than 3. I could even go home to breastfeed him the first few months I went back to work.

      I looked down the memory lane and wouldn’t trade it for the world. I was ambitious like you too and couldn’t deal feeling marginalized but my son trumped everything. Spending time with him is my utmost priority.

      When he turned 3, I started interviewing. I avoided FB, Netflix, and Amazon and tried the for google, Apple , and LinkedIn.

      I am at Apple now. Work is busier but more challenging. Pay is 20% more as well. It really depends where you are in life really. He first 2-3 years, I would choose wlb over career fuflfillment but once your toddler is a bit more independent, you can explore.

      I also have a very supporting spouse who can do the pick up and drop off as I work really hard for the first few months to establish myself in the new place.

      I have no regrets but my role at Apple is not as demanding as similar one at FB. I know that going in so it’s not too bad so far.
      Jun 13
  • Microsoft liveordie
    Join FB and start interviewing with Google soon afterwards...
    Jun 135
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      Can't. With new work at Facebook and a toddler I can't leetcode and Ace Google
      Jun 13
    • Microsoft liveordie
      Not sure I understand your logic. The Google interview is usually simpler than the FB interview. Of course there is always an element of luck.

      To make it less risky, just try going to Google directly, but the pay won’t be as high as FB, and they will try to downlevel you as well (to an L5 I think in your case).
      Jun 13
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      You must have already practiced a lot of problems to ace FB. Is that not the case?
      Jun 13
    • Apple ApEp
      Liveordie, is Google L6 (technical lead)=FB E5 (individual contributor)?
      Jun 13
    • Microsoft liveordie
      www.levels.fyi - I think Google and FB levels are equivalent.
      Jun 13
  • GitHub LoDI41
    I’d take the offer. Microsoft has a history of low balling longer tenured employees. Plus, there’s a whole lot less BS to deal with at Facebook. Overall, you’ll be happier at fb.
    Jun 133
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      gloom

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      Can I even compete with the younger crowd. Will I be managed out in 6 months. Just scared
      Jun 13
    • New / Eng
      albion

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      OP, take it from someone whose parent had a great paying, stable job which treated him like crap for 30 years... jump ship! A happier work will help make a happier home. If it doesn’t work out, you can jump.

      Otherwise your kid will notice your stress and sadness.
      Jun 13
    • Amazon / ProductKsHy14
      You should take it. I am in my 40’s. Joined AWS to work in a different product than my core area. First month was full of self doubt. After that, it has been easy. Moreover, now there will be no fear to jump to another new domain or role (say, solutions architect).

      One more thing- when your employer does not need you, you will be shown the door even if you are a long-timer and top contributor. From someone who experienced it first-hand.

      You cleared FB engineering interview, so believe in your skills.
      Jun 17
  • AppDynamics star123
    Take it. Wlb is something you can set boundaries around. Kid friendly company and lots of great people in Seattle office. Remember growth happens just outside your comfort zone.
    Jun 131
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      Well said!
      Jun 13
  • Facebook / EngTCYOE
    You can’t really coast at Fb like you might at Msft. It’s important to show impact to get MA or more. Also, most people at Fb will be much younger with less responsibilities. That said, it’s a significant pay bump, well respected position, and you will learn a lot. If you find yourself struggling, it’ll be easier to find another job and pay shouldn’t drop.
    Jun 130
  • Salesforce Ohanahanah
    One of my friends recently joined fb with 3 yoe, she said she got e5 as well, with 180k base, 600k stock and 100k sign on.
    Jun 163
    • Apple Techjunke
      355TC with not 3yoe from undergrad? Doing what?
      Jun 16
    • Salesforce Ohanahanah
      SWE. Not sure which team. Admire her so much...!
      Jun 16
    • Salesforce Ohanahanah
      Yes 3yoe from undergrad
      Jun 16
  • Facebook TheSW
    I would take it. If you are concerned about age and female. Ask your recruiter to connect you with some from the “Facebook Connection” program that is a female engineer. This is a kind of mentorship for potential candidate to learn more about Facebook from someone similar to them.
    Jun 130
  • NAGRA / Product
    MoveAlong

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    Do it. and Negotiate for more. Too long at one company doesn’t look good anymore. Extra money can pay for more childcare. 4 months full pay if you have another kid. You can also move teams to one that’s more family friendly or has female leadership next year
    Jun 132
    • Oath / Eng
      Upside

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      Can you elaborate more on female leadership?
      Jun 13
    • NAGRA / Product
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      You said ‘age discrimination against females’ so I assume your female. A team with female leadership could be more family friendly. Overall FB has high numbers of female PMs and female leadership. Also, be a morning overtimer. Answer critical emails when you’re up early if you can’t stay late because of family. Check out Women in Product group.
      Jun 13
  • Microsoft KuPi
    Would your team at Microsoft welcome you back if things didn't work out at FB? If so I'd definitively go for it, otherwise you'll have to be mindful to stay in good interviewing shape or be able to weather a little time off with if things don't work out at FB while you find another job. In any way, if your downside is covered, go for it! FB will be an awesome addition for your career and I'm sure you'll do great :). Good luck!
    Jun 132
    • Facebook kjmonk
      This. 10 years at MS, don't burn bridges on way out. Ask manager and HR likely chances of coming back. People understand wanting to try something new.
      Jun 13
    • New / Eng
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      Her manager is a dick so I say to give him the cold shoulder.
      Jun 13
  • Airbnb / Other
    Youryime

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    What’s your current level at Microsoft?
    Jun 131
    • Microsoft / Eng
      gloom

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      65
      Jun 13
  • Microsoft QNan25
    Yes way too underpaid for l65. Based on your numbers your total comp in msft is 240k which is hat most seniors make. Are you sure FB comp is 30% higher ?
    Jun 170
  • Apple ApEp
    This is a pretty good pay but ur answer depends on which ladder. If hw then u will travel and u need someone to take care of child. If sw, it is manageable. Pls clarify.
    Jun 131
    • Microsoft / Eng
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      Software Seattle
      Jun 13
  • Amazon / EngLol123
    You should search what Jeff Bezos wrote to shareholders about the difference between 1 way door decisions and 2 way door decisions. We often confuse them. We are often cautious/concerned about unknowns from the time we are born. But experiences take us long ways. This is not an irreversible decision and don’t treat it like that. Go there be happy and get your big pay. If it didn’t work out in 2 years then at least you have earned much more than Microsoft and you will have both companies on your resume. I would say having both experiences will open stronger pathways than just Microsoft. Specially Microsoft :-(
    Jun 270
  • Microsoft liveordie
    Btw I just calculated and seems like you are already way underpaid at Microsoft. This is not to say that you should or should not join FB because there are a few other companies out there.
    Jun 170

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