Juniper offer vs startup offer

Cisco CRHK
May 24, 2018 17 Comments

Hi Guys,

I got offers from juniper and 3y old startup. Looking at the compensation, the base is same in both; but juniper offer has bonus and Rsu where as startup is promising few options.

My priorities are
1) get PERM applied and reach i140 stage as I am on 5th year of H1B
2) long term career 3-4years with competitive salary

They both offering to start my PERM as soon as join. I am worried that startup might get PERM audit or RFE which will take long time. Where Juniper has history of layoffs quite often which could possibly delay my PERM process.

Please let me know if there are any layoffs in juniper in recent or near future.

Which one would you recommend? Please advise.

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TOP 17 Comments
  • Juniper BSDK_MC
    Juniper is not the place to be in! And dont go by the bonus hocus pocus! At the end of the year when you actually get your bonus it would be no where near to the promised one since the company is not doing good at all.
    May 25, 2018 1
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      Thanks for your response.
      May 25, 2018
  • Juniper abc123cde
    Juniper is not something you should consider, forget about the PERM they have layoffs so you will be stuck
    May 25, 2018 3
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      Thanks for your response. Do you know any future layoffs near soon or it’s general observation. I checked with immigration they are currently open to file PERMs.
      May 25, 2018
    • Juniper abc123cde
      I have someone whose perm is stuck for more than a year now so don’t risk it as you are just cutting it close, well in the end your life your choice.
      May 25, 2018
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      Thanks for letting me know the real experience. I will definitely consider your suggestion.
      May 25, 2018
  • Juniper workoholic
    It’s true that the immigration team will help a lot over at Juniper, its also one of the few companies which files for your PERM right after your H1B kicks in. That said Juniper will not do i140 premium processing when it comes back up, they do premium if it was available for H1B transfers... i140 premium premium processing will need to come from your own pocket. Please do confirm this from the immigration lawyers and if their policy has changed. Juniper up until 2-3 years ago was an absolute great place to work. Sometimes I think it still is.... but of lately due to declining sales and changes in strategy, people are being laid off, and I am not sure if it is the marketing strategy which is messed that is the reason, but network market is close to saturation or is already saturated. So if sales are low everything will definitely be affected directly or indirectly - Bonus, increments and so there is a atmosphere which makes you feel there is a layoff looming around or a takeover in the horizon.I have a friend who was stuck in his PERM stage for 2 years cause of two layoffs during the 2 year timeframe, when this happens there is a cool-off period which makes the wait longer by 6 months. It depends on the team and your manager. Innovation is not encouraged as much as it used to be. I am also planning to switch after I have my card mailed.
    Jun 1, 2018 1
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      Thanks for sharing your experience. It helps a lot to make decision. I am interested in startup after all the feedback. All the best for you.
      Jun 1, 2018
  • Juniper jnpr2000
    Juniper never pays the bonus which it promises. They always come up wth some percentage and in last 3 years highest percentage is 90% ...that means 90% of promised bonus.

    I am in PFE team and it is the worst. All good folks are gone and rest are interviewing. This party is over my friend go somewhere else.
    May 28, 2018 0
  • Juniper cnpb77
    It’s hard to give advice because it really depends on what you’re looking for. And I have no clue about visa situations. Juniper has constant layoffs so not too much security there. I have found Juniper to be a great place to work for. Maybe not a great company anymore but a great place to work. Probably depends on the dept. a lot though. I wouldn’t know pfe from my ass but we are basically a pfe company, right, so there’s something positive there.
    May 28, 2018 1
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      Thanks for your response
      May 29, 2018
  • Synopsys deutche
    Congrats on the offer. Which role? STEM is a defensible situation. I am guessing Juniper will be in a better position to defend in case u get an RFE. Talk to their immigration lawyer based on the recent experiences shared here.

    On the second hand, Check with startup lawyer on how many perm/h1b has been successfully filed by the company and how well are they position to defend ur case in case of rfe.
    May 24, 2018 1
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      Thanks for reply. I got offered as staff software engineer. I appreciate your inputs. I checked with juniper Immigration lawyer, as of now there are no layoffs they said. The startup filed 4 cases successfully so far. Hence I am preferring juniper offer.
      May 24, 2018
  • Juniper / Eng Babasheep☠
    Which team?
    May 24, 2018 1
    • Cisco CRHK
      OP
      PFE. Would you know about future/near layoffs?
      May 24, 2018
  • Amazon Amzn10
    I have been at Juniper and it was a really bad experience for me. I wouldn’t recommend unless it is CTO team or contrail. PFE is making a change over from Nitin Kumar but I don’t think it’s something great. Overall the employee morale is low and everybody around you is looking out. You don’t do much work and get stale. It’s hard to get out of the death spiral.
    Jun 27, 2018 0
  • Cisco CRHK
    OP
    Thanks for your response. I will consider your advice.
    May 28, 2018 0

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