Just got assigned unconscious bias training on knet. Thoughts?

Amazon tRKN41
Dec 19, 2018 20 Comments

These things strike me as inappropriate to force upon employees, regardless of where they might fall on any particular issue. Have other people been assigned these things? If you didn't feel like it was appropriate, did you just complete them anyway?

FYI, Knet is the standard training tool used at Amazon. I'm also not being targeted individually, it's likely my org.

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  • Google UdhEr
    Unconscious bias actually slows innovation and hurts the company
    Dec 19, 2018 3
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      Gill Bates

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      [citation needed]
      Dec 19, 2018
    • Apple not wasis
      I have conscious bias. What do?
      Dec 19, 2018
    • New / Consultant
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      Do needful
      Dec 19, 2018
  • The New York Times moony
    Something isn’t inappropriate just because you don’t feel like doing it.
    Dec 19, 2018 3
    • Amazon tRKN41
      OP
      That's an uncharitable assumption. I feel it's inappropriate because my ideal work scenario has a clearer separation between things that aren't directly related to work and things that are. You could always make the case that any social issue is fair game for work, but i don't agree with that.
      Dec 19, 2018
    • The New York Times moony
      I’m sure those impacted by workplace bias would also like to separate “social issues” from being able to do their job in their ideal work scenario.

      I don’t know I would make the case that “any social issue” (however we’re defining them) is fair game for work. I’m curious: If it doesn’t make sense to you, would you consider a scenario where it could be beneficial / meaningful to someone in your org, and therefore worthwhile? (Like any mandatory training).

      And you’re right, I was being uncharitable.
      Dec 19, 2018
    • Amazon tRKN41
      OP
      Those are fair questions. I do often try to pinpoint exactly why I'm not ok with it and I haven't been able to do so yet. I can give you some observations and thoughts that might be useful towards that end. Maybe some or all of these are wrong.

      - Some training are obviously required because they're fulfilling some federal requirement. Those are fine.
      - When training come down through a faceless system where I'm just an individual it feels bad. I can't question its effectiveness to anyone that matters, or ask why its mandatory.
      - I've read about studies that indicate that mandatory bias training are counter productive, but there is no venue for us to even have that discussion in the first place.
      - Its hard to see how any training is actually effective, let alone something like this. I have all of our other trainings in mind here, like safety training, IP training, etc. None of which I can recall any details from.

      To be fair, this might not even be about race for all I know. I haven't taken it yet. If it is that sort of thing then it also doesn't seem to me that everyone that would "benefit" from it would agree that they're benefiting form it or that it is required.

      This might be totally inspired by the system/context its taking place in. Also, thanks for that concession towards the end.
      Dec 19, 2018
  • Apple vAAA81
    It’s good training. Everyone should have it. Thinking that you feel it’s inappropriate or you don’t need it makes me question if you even understand what the training actually is. It’s actually best to take it in a group setting rather than a boring slide deck/video training module that you click through without paying attention to.

    I took that training at my previous company with a live instructor. It was probably the most interesting and useful training I’ve taken. It makes teams work better when they better understand each other’s strengths rather than assuming weaknesses like the assholes we all unconsciously are.
    Dec 19, 2018 1
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      every time I hear group training, I think of one of the office episodes
      Dec 19, 2018
  • Amazon / Ops Visual
    Why is this inappropriate? It’s required education.
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Broadcom Ltd. rFkd21
    GIVEN THAT diverse teams have been shown to have innovation advantages, it’s in your company’s advantage to reduce friction towards building diverse teams. Also, don’t have a chip on your shoulder, it’s not a good look.
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Facebook Whateverrs
    I don't know knet, but implicit bias training I did at a prior company was incredibly insightful. It demonstrated with good clear scientific evidence the ways in which my workplace could be impacted by unconscious biases and why.

    Why are you opposed to learning more about something that affects you, your coworkers, and your workplace? Knowledge is power. Not having taken the training, you are not well informed enough to argue that it isn't relevant.
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Samsung usr777
    People do have unconscious bias .. why are you so sure that you have none... take the trainning and try to improve stop whining on blind ...
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Ops Visual
    @ OP - If you think, unconscious bias is merely a social issue and has nothing to do with work, then you know nothing about decision making. Read any good book on that topic and check your assumptions. And yes, there are enough citations on this.
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Salesforce God Jr.
    Agreed, totally inappropriate.
    Here you are living in your perfect little bubble, thinking that you are perfect. Who the hell they think they are bursting that bubble and telling you that sometimes you act like a dick without even knowing.
    Am I right or am it right?

    But jokes aside, the fact that you think it’s inappropriate is a really good indicator that you should take that training. It’s good. It will make you better person
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Indeed / Mgmt 12and24
    Play it in the background and ignore it. Standard corporate brainwashing.
    Dec 19, 2018 0
  • Apple not wasis
    Totally inappropriate. I wish we all could stop being spineless pussies and next time hr sends this training we could tell him to fuck off, but you gotta earn that paper. So you have to suck it up and complete training.
    Dec 19, 2018 0
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  • Amazon / Eng bad hambo
    Multitask
    Dec 19, 2018 0

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