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Airo Health eooB85
Jan 23

Would you work at juul labs? They make the e-cigarette that is taking teens by the storm. Just raised $13 billion from a cigarette company

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  • Airo Health eooB85
    OP
    It’s got a great business model as well but its literally going to cause lung cancer in half of that generation
    Jan 2323
    • Microsoft / Design
      HgKR25

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      A mechanical engineer by profession. Interested im everything design and development of beautiful products in consumer and bio space
      HgKR25more
      You are marketing Juul under the pretext of a quit-smoking application and a healthcare company, when clearly they are more people (worse yet teens) getting addicted to it then getting off smoking. Since when did nicotine become good for you? You are gonna do some asinine clinical trial to prove it is safe for us?
      Jan 24
    • Google / Other
      snidely

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      Flagged by the community
      snidelymore
      Put fentanyl in it. You'll get another big bonus.
      Jan 24
    • Twitter FNUz53
      without the help of big tobacco? what are you literally smoking with your fundraising money from Altria
      Jan 24
    • Amazon sinter
      Nicotine doesn’t cause the cancer you idiot.
      Jan 24
    • Intuit Merc77
      That’s already the case, nothing new. Even non smokers have lung cancer. How is this any different from the sugar cartels? The number 1 ingredient that contributes to cancer in general.
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft / EngbebK16
      HgKR25, you can look down on nicotine users when you give up your caffeine.

      The dose makes the poison, and specifically the delivery mechanism. Caffeine isn't bad, but it's not great when consumed in a sugary beverage (not because of the caffeine, but the sugar). Nicotine isn't bad, but it's not great when consumed by burning tobacco leaves (not because of the nicotine, but because of the ~4000 other chemicals that come with combustion).
      Jan 24
    • GE wfh247
      I work at Altria and they understand that future generations will likely smoke a lot less and that non combustion tobacco products represent the future of an industry that will continue to exist and has always existed in this land of choice and free will that we call the United States. Why is that so hard to understand. To me it was an awesome forward thinking investment that will provide massive returns in the long run.
      Jan 24
    • Nicotine is almost as addictive as crack cocaine.. Caffeine is not, so quit comparing nicotine to caffeine. You don’t need a smoking substitute, you just need a way to stop nicotine all together in all forms !
      Jan 25
    • Juul is creating a bunch of people who vape that would have never smoked. Personally, I would never vape. I’d rather not purposefully put vapors in my lungs containing god knows what.

      It’s a net loss to society. Existing smokers are probably better off switching, in the way a diabetic person is better off eating 1 slice of cake instead of 3.
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft / EngbebK16
      Nicotine, by itself, is no more addictive than caffeine. The problem is that its most common delivery mechanism includes a number of strong MAOIs, which *are* very addictive. That's why it's really hard to quit *smoking*, but significantly easier to quit nicotine.
      Jan 25
  • Oracle / R&DlHEA77
    I wouldn't work for them on principle
    Jan 2316
    • Airbnb 8888
      Lmao what millennial would work at Oracle
      Jan 24
    • AbbVie iRKx70
      U do know they paid social influencers to promote their products. They recently were forced to delete a lot of their social media presence.
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft / EngbebK16
      You know grown ass adults follow "social influencers", right. Spending money on social presence is not the same thing as targeting kids.
      Jan 24
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      AbbVie, we can talk finding practical solutions to ensure that the product does not end up with minors. The company itself is not evil, just that the product needs to be regulated.
      Jan 24
    • Amazon woxnebh
      @Viekira I applaud your defense of the company, but I do wonder why it is you feel the need and do you actually think this company is out for doing good? They clearly are not based on marketing tactics. Business is business, but you start targeting children, you best believe this is the backlash that will happen.
      Jan 24
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      I have no personal relationship with the company. I just don't think the company is doing anything that is inherently wrong. Nobody has a problem with onscreen smoking, so why should Juul be blamed for popularizing their products through social media influencers? Perhaps, the government can put some rules in place about how they are marketing, but I wonder where this will stop. We see billboards for Cannabis shops all over the place, don't we?

      We rather need to have a conversation about how this product is ending up with kids. Who's buying it and distributing it and what could be done to stop that.
      Jan 24
    • Amazon peodnch
      Regulation isn’t needed if companies like this can’t exist. That said, we are a capitalist society and money rules all, so regulate the shit out it!
      Jan 24
    • Amazon LoanerBadg
      You can clearly have a ethical business. What most people forget is that a business doesn't need to extort every penny by what ever means necessary to be sustainable.
      Jan 24
    • New / Enghdgbee7
      the question is, if they pay you 1 million, would you work for them? I bet you would
      Jan 24
    • Oracle / R&DlHEA77
      Hey, I know Oracle isn't the fuzziest company around but at least by being enterprise-facing we don't directly fuck up the average Joe's life. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
      Jan 25
  • Its got a great customer base, lots of young kids hooked on their products.
    Jan 237
    • Microsoft M💰FT
      That’s never failed any business model ever
      Jan 24
    • Google Methane
      Lol like Snap
      Jan 24
    • Adobe / EngwrupgFff68
      Trends change
      Jan 24
    • Chase KJxA52
      Trends change, addiction doesn't
      Jan 24
    • Uber CashIn
      If so those teens would be sticking to old school cigarettes. Duh
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft leet_away
      One could make the same argument for opioids. Would you work for a drug dealer?
      Jan 24
    • LinkedIn / EngINittoWin
      I am sure there are plenty of people working for drug dealers here. Some of them even have PhDs
      Jan 24
  • Juul markets to adult smokers, just look at our website. Big tobacco companies invest in Juul because vaping will one day replace smoking, it’s just the future and the only direction the tobacco companies need to make and Juul is the US market leader.
    Jan 2431
    • Microsoft ochgfs
      I read the whole thing. I don't see the problem. They are advertising and showing people in their 20s. They clearly wanted vaping to look cool and they probably feared it had gotten a bad rap previously and made to look kinda nerdy.

      Looks like normal advertising to me. In fact any vape site advertises the exact same way. But juul is being singled out.
      Jan 26
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      The study the article cites makes clear in no uncertain terms that JUUL aggressively targeted youth in their ads and marketing. You don’t see that as a problem?

      JUUL’s 75% market share is probably why it deserves to be singled out.

      You’re just being obtuse.
      Jan 26
    • Microsoft ochgfs
      Teenagers or people in their 20s?

      I saw nothing that said teenagers.
      Jan 26
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      You mean, except for the headline and literally the ENTIRE article? The headline is “Juul said it doesn’t target teens. Its early ads tell a different story.”

      The word “teen” is in the headline. And you saw nothing that said teenagers?

      You’re obtuse.
      Jan 26
    • Microsoft ochgfs
      That's what I mean. I didn't see how they were specifically targeting teens. Katy Perry was in an ad and I guess you could make a case for that.

      To me they looked like the cigarette adds of old.
      Jan 26
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Um. That is exactly the point. They were designed to be exactly like the cigarette ads of old, which were determined decades ago to have targeted teens.

      Did you even read the article? You’re literally parroting the article, except making the counter-argument in the process.

      You’re also saying your opinion is more valid than Stanford researchers.

      As the article points out and as the study concluded, JUUL’s ads targeted teens.

      This isn’t hard. You’re either trolling or just flat out stupid at this point. Stop being so obtuse.
      Jan 26
    • Amazon hot 🍞
      How did this guy get hired at Microsoft lol
      Jan 26
    • Microsoft ochgfs
      htsjabi why are your so hostile?

      As far as marketing to teens it looks that way but to me it's a fine line between that and marketing to 20 year olds.

      Anyway, get rid if juul. Won't do any good. There are hundreds of other pod systems.

      BTW kids can get beer too. They can get all kinds of shit. It's up to us as parents to, you know, parent?
      Jan 26
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Because you refuse to listen to reason. You’ve been shown facts, data, peer reviewed studies, and more, yet you refuse to believe any of them and believe your personal opinion carries more weight. Believe what you want. The facts are there.
      Jan 26
    • Salesforce kill me
      At the end of the day, we can regulate these types of companies all we want, but they will be replaced by something else. I hate sounding like that annoying Millennial blaming everything on mental health, but I really do believe there are deeper issues here that push kids to vaping.

      Not saying we should just put our head in the grounds and let the world burn, but regardless of how we regulate a company like Juul, it's just a band aid to a larger problem.
      Jan 28
  • Google eJth83
    Why don’t we share the same angst towards caffeine and sugar?
    Jan 247
    • Facebook / Engleija
      Lmao big candy is out to get our children bro #staywoke
      Jan 24
    • Twitter FNUz53
      when they make a way to vape caffeine and sugar, you should be as mad
      Jan 24
    • Google eJth83
      Nicotine, sugar, caffeine and big pharma - adderall for ex. All the same in my book. Doesn’t matter if you shoot it, sniff it, drink it, eat it, swallow it or smoke it; they all have “dier” consequences. All pun intended. People out here pretending like they have morals gtfo #wakeup
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      ^ It’s a good thing your book isn’t the PDR. Do some research and you’ll understand there a VAST difference between nicotine and sugar.

      Sorry but no. You’re way off on this.
      Jan 24
    • Google eJth83
      😂
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      I said nicotine is addictive. Not harmful.
      Jan 25
  • Apple / EngMarijuana
    Juul is big tobacco now that Altria invested in them.

    If you don't like big tobacco, stay the fuck away from juul.
    Jan 246
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      Juul is solving a very real public health problem. What exactly has Apple done other than provide overpriced laptops and smartphones while running sweatshops in Asia? Talk about SV double standards.
      Jan 24
    • Uber / Engp3
      What are they solving?
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Genentech solves a public health problem. Juul creates it. Smoking went way down in the years before Juul existed. Now with Juul, usage of a harmful product is on the rise.

      Don’t kid yourself. These are not good people doing a service to the world.
      Jan 24
    • Uber DIYf20
      That's how I feel. They look like greedy mofos now they've sold out to big tobacco.
      Jan 24
    • Amazon sinter
      The ignorance on display here is galling. Do some basic research on the difference between nicotine and cigarettes.
      Jan 25
    • Facebook / Product
      Jojo jo

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      Yeah guys, remember. Cigarettes are the shit that puts tar in you and has nicotine to keep you addicted.

      We just took the addictive shit and got teens addicted like drug dealers with crack rocks.

      Obviously JUUL is so good for society

      /s
      Jan 26
  • Google / MgmtLovedoo
    Which company is truly ethical and not trying to optimize some form of addiction?
    Jan 245
    • Google eJth83
      Am I right? 😂
      Jan 24
    • Google / MgmtLovedoo
      110%
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Ok. Which companies’ addictions actually fucking kill you? How many people have died from doing too many google searches? How many people have died because they read Facebook too much? How many people died from playing Candy Crush?

      Now how many people have died from JUULing?

      Get it now?
      Jan 24
    • Facebook
      B13captain

      Facebook

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      New grad with 10yoe
      B13captainmore
      So woke
      Jan 24
    • Reddit
      Kashi4Lyfe

      Reddit

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      Troll.
      Kashi4Lyfemore
      Lol that’s some mighty powerful rationalizing you’ve got there. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
      Jan 28
  • Juul is made in china too. it’s just a us marketing company that outsourced their production to a Chinese factory.
    Jan 2414
    • Farmers Insurance / Projectpitchers10
      Higher than yours you idiot
      Jan 24
    • Genentech / Engratsey
      To be honest, I took the interview almost satirically to see what it’s like, but after meeting the scientific teams I was genuinely sold. As for leaving Genentech, both companies are working to reduce cancer instance in the world, the teams were sharp, great backgrounds, and genuinely passionate about the work, so I felt pretty good about joining over a year ago and still do.
      Jan 24
    • Amazon MBAAllStar
      Guessing the $1M retention bonus may have also helped your “feelings”, no?
      Jan 24
    • If it doesnt work out you have a future in mental gymnastics
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      You worked at Genentech, which makes cancer treatments, fights insurance companies and providers to bring those cancer treatments to those who can’t otherwise afford them, and dedicates itself to eliminating cancer, and you went to Juul, a company whose entire mission is based on getting young teens hooked on a drug and a product that kills.

      Shame on you. You are, at best, a gullible human that sold their soul.
      Jan 24
    • Farmers Insurance / Projectpitchers10
      There are chain smokers who quit smoking due to Juul, it’s the iPhone of vapes! There is nothing wrong working for them.
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      ^ There are far more people that took up smoking because of JUUL. There is everything wrong with working for them.
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft demndid
      Dude htsjabi you are grossly misinformed. I can't even
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Nah I’m good.
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft demndid
      No, you're not, and beliefs like yours are dangerous.
      Jan 25
  • Very soon there will be Juul products that require age verification and access control at a device level. Meaning only people older than legal smoking age can purchase and each user can deactivate their devices so their underaged siblings couldn’t sneak puffs.

    Youth prevention is the single most important factor that will determine whether we’ll still have a job in a year, every team at Juul works on something related to it.
    Jan 246
    • Airo Health eooB85
      OP
      Do that for juul pods too
      Jan 24
    • I’m glad it’s a priority, but right now you’re failing. Look at the #juul hashtag on Instagram, it’s a majority of kids with acne on their faces.
      Jan 24
    • A year ago we didn’t even have these solutions. People came together and joined this company to make things like Age Verification happen. Honestly it’s more complex to implement than I ever imagined, world wide and through all the channels and tools to make purchases.
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft ochgfs
      Kids want it they can get it. I don't understand how juul is to blame, at all, like in any way.

      This like blaming Google when someone uses it to search for how to make a bomb.
      Jan 26
    • Dropbox ldhdhmxm
      The difference is that Google is not making money because people are building bombs. But juul is making money by getting next generation hooked on vaping/smoking/whatever you want to call it.
      Jan 26
    • Microsoft ochgfs
      Good. It's legal isn't it?
      Jan 26
  • Microsoft oohds
    Folks on this thread defending marketing nicotine to children. Just...wow.
    Jan 244
  • LinkedIn / Product
    GuessWho:)

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    I think the problem with JUUL is it’s attracting a lot more people (especially teens) who wouldn’t have otherwise become a smoker. And that’s dangerous.
    Jan 240
  • Airo Health eooB85
    OP
    I get what juul supporters are saying from a smoker’s perspective. And ok, it’s positioned to help people quit smoking.

    My problem is that almost everyone that I’ve seen sucking on a juul has been a young adult: between 15 and 24. And for that crowd, it’s not about quitting smoking but about looking cool. You know what it was like being that young, once you get ok with inhaling and exhaling stuff, going to something more potent is really just a matter of time. “Juuling” is a real thing.

    Do you guys have any data about your customer demographics?
    Jan 243
    • Genentech / Engratsey
      That is a genuine problem. It’s tough to get good user data because online purchases are already screened for age (go to JUULs website and try to “shop”, see how difficult it is) and in store purchases, even with the survey slip, are self selecting since underage people wouldn’t use it. I can tell you that mathematically, it’s not reasonably possible for underage users to account for the huge YOY increase in sales, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. The best demographic data will probably be from the CSUR surveys we’ve done. Again, it’s very self selecting so it’s excluding underage users.
      Jan 24
    • Or you can use common sense
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Will someone please tell the JUUL mouthpiece to stop posting under Genentech? Those are polar opposite companies. Genentech cures cancer. JUUL causes it. You are a stain on the health care industry, ratsey. You work for JUUL now. A shit company.
      Jan 24
  • Microsoft oohds
    That’s a false equivalency. There are gradations of things. Sure, a video game or social media might have accdictive properties. Nicotine will literally kill you. So...
    Jan 248
    • Google / MgmtLovedoo
      So will sugar, texting, alcohol, fast food, automobiles, dairy, adventure sports. The point of living in a free country is we are all free to make dumb choices
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft oohds
      Wtf does this have to do with “living in a free country.” Nicotine is grossly more dangerous than dairy (?????). Gradation, again.
      Jan 24
    • Google / MgmtLovedoo
      Both kill. And you cannot cherry pick dairy over sugar, alcohol, fast food and others. Who decides on gradation? You? Let’s not get holier than thou. Either you condemn all harmful industries, and take an ethical stance, or you can eat hypocrite sandwich.
      Jan 24
    • Airbnb htsjabi
      Please cite the number of annual dairy deaths per 1000 users vs the number of vaping deaths driven by nicotine addiction per 1000 users.
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft demndid
      Nicotine deaths LOL!
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft oohds
      Lovedoo you honestly believe the world is either black or white? What on earth would cause everything to be a zero sum game? Some dogs bite so there should be no dogs? Some people are allergic to peanuts so we should stop selling peanuts? Literally nothing works that way and I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make.
      Jan 25
    • Reddit
      Kashi4Lyfe

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      Kashi4Lyfemore
      Oh Jesus Christ , lovedoo. What flavor is the kool aid this season?
      Jan 28
    • Reddit
      Kashi4Lyfe

      Reddit

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      Kashi4Lyfemore
      Lovedoo is a good example of a small-minded person with a grown-up title. Dangerous!
      Jan 28
  • PubNub YoWassup
    Vaping helped me quit smoking. I believe in their mission. I don’t currently work for them.
    Jan 249
  • Glooko / Othertr00th
    Juul gets smokers off of cigarettes and is nowhere near as harmful as smoking cigarettes. I'm sure vaping is still less healthy than not vaping at all but it's not the worst thing one can do to their body. Nicotine is addictive af but unless you abuse it senselessly or have pre-existing cardiovascular issues it's not that bad health-wise. The issue with kids vaping, that's a serious problem, I agree. But don't blame Juul, blame the retailers or bad parental oversight or our poor substance abuse education. But teens will be teens, they'll always find a way to cigarettes, weed, pills, other street drugs, whippits, and their parents' liquor collections. Now it's Juul. *shrug*
    Jan 243
    • Intel Intelegacy
      JUUL has higher nicotine content than cigarette. I was using it for couple of months but found it more harmful than the bulky vape machines. Vapes are better than JUUL. My advice would be to use vape instead of JUUl if you decide to quit.
      Jan 24
    • Dropbox QqLQ41
      Can't believe that is your argument...so drug is not the problem...bad parents is..hmmm
      Jan 24
    • PayPal TJFa61
      Nicotine has been proven to be a very weak enabler. Coffee is more addicting.
      Jan 26
  • Facebook JJml72
    I didn’t realize how much I hate smoking until I tried Juul products. Let alone the reduction in health benefits, I don’t go to meetings spreading smoke everywhere anymore. I always thought it doesn’t smell until I stopped and I started detecting smokers from miles away. I believe in this company since it improved my life significantly. Juul/vaping will replace smoking in the next 10 years.
    Jan 240
  • Genomic Health PMWW73
    I like the way their recruiters sell the company
    Jan 2412
    • Genentech / Engratsey
      @genomic health, I can affirmatively tell you that working at JUUL has been the most challenging and exciting scientific opportunity I’ve ever had. I’m preclinical, and I work closely with the regulatory/legal team and that group is absolutely elite, I’d highly recommend giving it a thought
      Jan 24
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      Exactly. Not their fault if teens are misusing it. The product is really good if used as intended.
      Jan 24
    • Amazon woxnebh
      I can’t even believe that people think they are helping people get off cigarettes, they are literally marketing to kids and kids under 18 think it’s the cool thing to do. So, introducing a new generation to cigarettes because they think it’s cool is helping? Sorry, can’t buy that for a second. I’m not shaming those who decide to work there, that’s your choice,
      I’m shaming the tactics and the propaganda the top execs sell to employees and the public to make billions.

      If people truly want to quit cigarettes, they will do it. My parents did many years ago without JUUL, the ‘safe’ alternative
      Jan 24
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      You don't know anything about addiction do you? Millions of people have tried and have failed at quitting smoking. Obviously, it is not just "will power". And while we talk, that generation is already getting high on cocaine and LSD. Vaping is the least of health concerns for teens
      Jan 24
    • Amazon woxnebh
      @Viekire unfortunately I do know all too well about addiction and exactly what it looks like and how it tears families apart. Alcoholism runs in my family and I lived my childhood through it. Cigarettes aren’t that psychologically damaging to family members typically but is very addictive. I understand the thought that this is a bridge to sobriety but I’m here to say I’ve seen addicts try to convince themselves that an alternative will help them quit, it simply does not. JUUL is not in the business of helping people quit tobacco, that would be a terrible business model for a company with this product, it’s that simple.
      Jan 24
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      For everyone that has been able to quit, there are 20 others who have not been to. Kudos to your parents that they were able to quit, but obviously there are complex biochemical phenomena that make it so hard for most people.

      Juul is running clinical trials right now, and letting the regulators take a closer look at their products. They didn't have to, if they just wanted to be another nicotine company.

      And eventually, even if vaping just ends up becoming a substitute for smoking, what is so bad about it? Health consequences of vaping are nearly not as devastating as cigarettes that are on the market today. Cannabis is an industry, right?
      Jan 24
    • Amazon woxnebh
      Cannabis is, that’s correct. The reason I believe there is a difference between the two is not because they’re both smoked (although cannabis is edible as well) it’s the way in which one is marketed and the other is not.
      Jan 24
    • Genomic Health PMWW73
      Anyone can do clinical trials but are they approved and validated by FDA? I interviewed at one of the big tobacco a few years ago by curiosity and they were already doing 'clinical trials' but nobody care about. This is just marketing
      Jan 24
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      I believe Juul is actually trying to get an FDA approval, so it can be offered by health care providers to smokers trying to quit. There is a Juul employee posting here, they may know better
      Jan 24
    • JUUL lYhT50
      Gilead, that is absolutely the goal. The clinical trials are in support of FDA approval with the end goal of assessing the harm reduction potential of vaping, for those who are looking to quit smoking. In the UK and Canada, public health officials have already acknowledged the potential of vaping to help smokers quit: https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0 and https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/smoking-tobacco/vaping/smokers.html
      Jan 26
  • New aLuu55
    It’s amazing to me how so many people hate Juul labs. I don’t think they realize the enormous numbers of lives being literally saved by the fact that so many smokers stopped smoking by using Juuls. I am one of those ex-smokers.

    It’s annoying that so many teenagers are using Juuls, but that’s a problem with the SELLERS, not Juul itself. I can’t tell you how many gas stations don’t check ID. If you’re going to complain, complain about the gas stations, not Juul.

    We’re poised to regulate e-cigarettes in a way that could easily bring millions of people back to smoking cigarettes. It would be a disaster.
    Jan 240
  • Oracle xPNo42
    Not as addicting as Facebook. You're good
    Jan 242
    • Gilead Sciences / OtherViekira
      This 👆
      Jan 24
    • Amazon woxnebh
      Unfortunately this is also true. Facebook doesn’t cause physical health issues, but equally bad on the brain
      Jan 24
  • Amazon xyzabct
    Never. Recruiter contacted me about it. Ignored them.
    Jan 241
  • Microsoft demndid
    And do you geniuses realize juul is small in the vaping market when you consider all the other vaping devices especially those from China???

    Like juul is the only vaping company around?
    Jan 234
    • Microsoft madlad420
      And this is relevant because...?

      Juul undeniably is one of the fastest growing new companies, they took over the American market, and now it's time to spread worldwide
      Jan 24
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      seller

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      À.
      Jan 24
    • Amazon woxnebh
      Does that make it a good company or just another morally inept company like those in China you reference. The everyone is doing it argument is ignorant
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft demndid
      So helping people quit smoking somehow is bad? Like, wtf is wrong with your logic man?

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

      The process of inhaling smoke is what is deadly. This isn't hard to understand!
      Jan 24
  • Microsoft demndid
    Smoking is killing my dad. He will die from it and already is suffering greatly from it. Vaping could get him to switch but he has misunderstandings about it much like op here is peddling.

    So when I hear wrongs about vaping I get a little pissed off.

    Keep in mind that vaping could and does save lives when you say things that you clearly haven't fully vetted. You might be helping to keep people smoking that would otherwise be able to quit.
    Jan 253
    • I’m sorry to hear about your father. My mom remarried to a heavy smoker, and I worry about him.

      While vaping would help your dad, the mere existence of vaping devices gets people to smoke something who would’ve otherwise wouldn’t have if only given the option of cigarettes.

      So I think the devices help some people, but also hurt others, and it isn’t evident if they’re in aggregate making society better. On an individual case, I can absolutely see a positive for someone like your dad or my stepdad.
      Jan 25
    • Microsoft demndid
      It forces people to use it... sssuuure

      OK

      Also nobody is smoking anything when vaping BTW.
      Jan 25
    • If you’ve ever smoked a vape vs a cigarette, one is far more harsh than the other. Yes I could reasonably see vaping appealing to many people who would never smoke cigarettes. I know this because I know people that vape but don’t smoke.
      Jan 25
  • Indeed cyhy46
    Juuls are great and if there was any way in which they would be hiring for my role, and I was looking for a new job, I'd take it

    ... well, on second thought, I would be uncomfortable with the idea that the government might just make them illegal and shut them down, which puts an unacceptable risk on my work visa. But ignoring that....

    I have read a bunch of relevant studies and I am not convinced that they are any more dangerous than anything else known to the state of California to cause cancer and reproductive harm. I am otherwise pro-nicotine in the same way that I am pro-caffeine.

    People say they're marketing to children. I have never seen an ad for a juul, anywhere, ever, so I can't judge this. If they are doing this, I think that's bad, and it might give me pause. If they are not actively marketing to children, though, I don't see them as morally responsible for how their product is misused. Kids shouldn't be vaping, but I shouldn't have to do their parents' jobs for them.

    Besides, per above, I don't believe juuls are any worse for you than coffee is, and nobody's outraged that all these teens are patronizing starbucks
    Jan 252
    • I’ve heard radio ads about the names they advertise the flavors as, and (while this could be a judgement call, since I’m sure flavored vaping does appeal to adults) it certainly sounds like they’re targeting a youthful clientele.

      That being said, the ad I heard was an anti-smoking ad. I’ve never seen a Juul advertisement, so I couldn’t speak to them directly.
      Jan 25
    • Indeed cyhy46
      _radio_ ads? As if kids these days even know what a radio is.

      Joking aside, I'm not convinced that dumb names mean they're targetting kids. It's a subculture thing, the same way that strains of weed have dumb names. I could be open to believing that it's one _part_ of targetting kids but the flavours alone aren't convincing to me

      As for juuls specifically, iirc they have
      * Mint
      * Fruit
      * Tobacco
      * Cucumber
      Which strike me more as "covering all their main bases" and not "targetting kids with fun flavours". You have tobacco for the traditionalists, mint because you always have mint, fruit because fruit is a generic flavour for everything, and cucumber which is the closest thing to 'no flavour' you're going to get.
      Jan 29
  • Google w61Mqh
    Better vapes than tobacco I say. If they pay well then I'll consider them like any other tech company.

    And LMAO @ the moral panic ITT. Vaping might not be healthy but I'm pretty sure it poses less of a risk than obesity or drunk driving 😂
    Jan 240
  • Amazon woxnebh
    If you have kids and they market to them, I can’t see how you could look yourself in the mirror every morning before heading the work
    Jan 240
  • Groupon / Salesblt203
    I picked up a juul when my buddy offered me a hit of his 2 years ago. I haven’t been able to stop since and I wasn’t a smoker before. Fucking horrible, wish I never touched the thing.
    Jan 244
    • Airo Health eooB85
      OP
      Damn. That’s what I’m seeing with people I know too. Wanna tell us your age bracket? Like 36-45?
      Jan 24
    • Uber DIYf20
      What's so horrible about it? Genuinely asking as a non smoker myself. Is there health impact?
      Jan 24
    • Airo Health eooB85
      OP
      Best case scenario: addiction.
      Jan 24
    • Groupon / Salesblt203
      I’m 23 haha! It’s horrible because I know it’s going to cause long term health problems. My chest constantly feels heavy and it’s so easy to become dependent on it since you can hit it basically anywhere.
      Jan 25
  • Workday / Eng
    skerpp

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    My personal take is that I'm not instrumental to their sales or success as a company. If I don't work for them, they'll find an identical employee the very next day. So I wouldn't be guilty; it's just another Bay area salary. But I would also like for them to come down more harshly on its use by teenagers and smoking tobacco in general. Technically it's 21+ but I don't see them enforcing it very well. It is also marketed as a product for recovering smokers which is... probably a small fraction of their customers. They have a moral obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard than what the law requires.
    Jan 242
  • New / SalesLadyCloser
    This post inspired me to apply. Anyone wanna give me that internal refff and TC
    Jan 250
  • Google / Engtestchimp
    The moral panic ITT... Kids that get hooked on juuling could have just as easily gotten hooked on traditional vapes. Regardless, the govt is coming for juul, so I’d be wary of working there unless you’re cool with just working for big tobacco.
    Jan 250
  • The replies here show how all of you could morally justify working somewhere like Facebook just as easily as Juul.

    Juul is making the world better in the way Facebook makes the world better.
    Jan 250
  • LinkedIn Eng155
    Survival of the fittest. Let those who are foolish enough to destroy themselves go. Darwinism.
    Jan 240
  • Nokia Durka
    If I get paid well, I will work for Phillip Morris too
    Jan 240
  • Cruise Automation gotsjokes
    A vape company? Sure why not
    They don't offer any nicotine free options? Uh, that's pretty questionable
    Their market is heavily heavily Targeted at tweens and teens? uhhhh no thanks
    Jan 240
  • New / SalesLadyCloser
    I’d love to work there, get in in time for them to launch a real cannabis line! Going to be a huge company despite the scandals.
    Jan 241
  • Adobe / EnguNMM82
    Need a survey option like: "Doesn't have any interesting software problems to work on"
    Jan 241
    • Airbnb / Eng*TyRFU*jrF
      And how would you know?...
      Jan 24
  • Salesforce Trie.Hard
    What’s the comp?
    Jan 260
  • Dropbox ldhdhmxm
    You guys are doing the minimum so you guys don't get shutdown. The reason Juul worth so much is because it did an amazing job at getting next gen on hook. That is why big tobacco wants you guys. Their customer base today is dying.
    Jan 260
  • Dropbox ldhdhmxm
    You guys are doing the minimum so you guys don't get shutdown. The reason Juul worth so much is because it did an amazing job at getting next gen on hook. That is why big tobacco wants you guys. Their customer base today is dying.
    Jan 260
  • Cruise Automation / Eng⛸️
    They operate entirely out of WeWorks 😂😂😂
    Jan 250
  • Google eJth83
    NEVER juul and drive!
    Jan 240
  • Airbnb / Eng*TyRFU*jrF
    I don’t think they’re going to coax someone into smoking cigarettes, and I’m sure their market is more cannabis smokers which is cool w me?
    Jan 240
  • New / EngUncharged
    I hate their product (I have teens who sneak vaping), but business is business. It would be a factor, but a minor one among the other factors, in choosing whether to work there or not.
    Jan 2410
    • Google eJth83
      Don’t teens sneak anything? Ex alcohol, last time I check kids were soaking tampons into vodka and well... you know the rest.
      Jan 24
    • New / EngUncharged
      Oh, I’m sure there sneaking things I haven’t even conceived of...I suggest how they should go about life, so they deviate at their peril <shrug>.
      Jan 24
    • Google eJth83
      But do you hate alcohol products too?
      Jan 24
    • New / EngUncharged
      Don’t hate alcohol products. But they’re illegal as well for someone under 21 the last time I checked. I also hate adults vaping as well. Looks gay as hell. But to each their own (if it’s legal).
      Jan 24
    • Google eJth83
      I’m sorry what? “Gay as hell”? Like whhhaaaaaa?!?
      Jan 24
    • New / EngUncharged
      Oh, I’m sorry <gently pats your back>...I think vaping makes someone look uncouth.
      Jan 24
    • Google eJth83
      Lol I’m just laughing at the fact that you said “gay as hell” I haven’t heard that phrase since I was 15. #tbt 😂
      Jan 24
    • New / EngUncharged
      Just about everyone who’s not on the silicone valley kool-aid.....
      Jan 24
    • Microsoft demndid
      Teens also smoke and drink what's the point here. Why the f don't we ban smoking?
      Jan 25
    • New / EngUncharged
      Just because I think it looks gay as hell, doesn’t mean I think it should be banned. I don’t think smoking should be banned either, other than those that don’t smoke have a right not to breathe in that stinky $h!t about their day.

      I also think whether or not a teen chooses to imbibe in illicit activities says a lot about their character.
      Jan 25
  • Uber DIYf20
    I thought they were cool until they sold out to big tobacco. I hope to see alternative brand to challenge them and will root for them instead.
    Jan 242
    • Microsoft demndid
      The people able to finally quit smoking by taking up vaping dgaf where it comes from.
      Jan 24
    • Airo Health eooB85
      OP
      Capitalism makes you do weird things.

      Long live capitalism.
      Jan 24
  • Ancestry tblade321
    My argument: they don’t pay Bay Area salaries. So no work!
    Jan 242
    • Reddit
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      They just gave everyone a million bucks
      Jan 24
    • If you divide the money evenly, but it was actually proportional to shares held. So they made it rain director level and above.
      Jan 26
  • Gap Beeeees
    I’m so broke. I’d sell out in a heartbeat.
    Jan 251
    • Reddit
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      TC or shut up
      Feb 8
  • Vistaprint GGLQ22
    Their interview process is bad
    Jan 241
    • Genentech / Engratsey
      Interview process is horrendous. I had two referrals drop out because recruiters kept missing their interview windows by mistake
      Jan 24
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  • Deloitte / ConsultantFHAs14
    Vaping is $afe.
    Jan 290
  • Flagged by the community.

  • MediaTek Hsinchu
    If I get well paid, of course I will. They are not doing anything illegal and I am not responsible for their product.
    Jan 250

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