Would you work at juul labs? They make the e-cigarette that is taking teens by the storm. Just raised $13 billion from a cigarette company
- Airo Health eooB85OPIt’s got a great business model as well but its literally going to cause lung cancer in half of that generation
- Microsoft / DesignHgKR25moreYou are marketing Juul under the pretext of a quit-smoking application and a healthcare company, when clearly they are more people (worse yet teens) getting addicted to it then getting off smoking. Since when did nicotine become good for you? You are gonna do some asinine clinical trial to prove it is safe for us?
- HgKR25, you can look down on nicotine users when you give up your caffeine.
The dose makes the poison, and specifically the delivery mechanism. Caffeine isn't bad, but it's not great when consumed in a sugary beverage (not because of the caffeine, but the sugar). Nicotine isn't bad, but it's not great when consumed by burning tobacco leaves (not because of the nicotine, but because of the ~4000 other chemicals that come with combustion).
- GE wfh247I work at Altria and they understand that future generations will likely smoke a lot less and that non combustion tobacco products represent the future of an industry that will continue to exist and has always existed in this land of choice and free will that we call the United States. Why is that so hard to understand. To me it was an awesome forward thinking investment that will provide massive returns in the long run.
- Juul is creating a bunch of people who vape that would have never smoked. Personally, I would never vape. I’d rather not purposefully put vapors in my lungs containing god knows what.
It’s a net loss to society. Existing smokers are probably better off switching, in the way a diabetic person is better off eating 1 slice of cake instead of 3.
- @Viekira I applaud your defense of the company, but I do wonder why it is you feel the need and do you actually think this company is out for doing good? They clearly are not based on marketing tactics. Business is business, but you start targeting children, you best believe this is the backlash that will happen.
- I have no personal relationship with the company. I just don't think the company is doing anything that is inherently wrong. Nobody has a problem with onscreen smoking, so why should Juul be blamed for popularizing their products through social media influencers? Perhaps, the government can put some rules in place about how they are marketing, but I wonder where this will stop. We see billboards for Cannabis shops all over the place, don't we?
We rather need to have a conversation about how this product is ending up with kids. Who's buying it and distributing it and what could be done to stop that.
- Juul markets to adult smokers, just look at our website. Big tobacco companies invest in Juul because vaping will one day replace smoking, it’s just the future and the only direction the tobacco companies need to make and Juul is the US market leader.
- I read the whole thing. I don't see the problem. They are advertising and showing people in their 20s. They clearly wanted vaping to look cool and they probably feared it had gotten a bad rap previously and made to look kinda nerdy.
Looks like normal advertising to me. In fact any vape site advertises the exact same way. But juul is being singled out.
- Um. That is exactly the point. They were designed to be exactly like the cigarette ads of old, which were determined decades ago to have targeted teens.
Did you even read the article? You’re literally parroting the article, except making the counter-argument in the process.
You’re also saying your opinion is more valid than Stanford researchers.
As the article points out and as the study concluded, JUUL’s ads targeted teens.
This isn’t hard. You’re either trolling or just flat out stupid at this point. Stop being so obtuse.Jan 262
- htsjabi why are your so hostile?
As far as marketing to teens it looks that way but to me it's a fine line between that and marketing to 20 year olds.
Anyway, get rid if juul. Won't do any good. There are hundreds of other pod systems.
BTW kids can get beer too. They can get all kinds of shit. It's up to us as parents to, you know, parent?
- Salesforce kill meAt the end of the day, we can regulate these types of companies all we want, but they will be replaced by something else. I hate sounding like that annoying Millennial blaming everything on mental health, but I really do believe there are deeper issues here that push kids to vaping.
Not saying we should just put our head in the grounds and let the world burn, but regardless of how we regulate a company like Juul, it's just a band aid to a larger problem.
- Nicotine, sugar, caffeine and big pharma - adderall for ex. All the same in my book. Doesn’t matter if you shoot it, sniff it, drink it, eat it, swallow it or smoke it; they all have “dier” consequences. All pun intended. People out here pretending like they have morals gtfo #wakeupJan 249
- htsjabi please read this: https://www.rsph.org.uk/about-us/news/nicotine--no-more-harmful-to-health-than-caffeine-.html
- Apple / EngMarijuanaJuul is big tobacco now that Altria invested in them.
If you don't like big tobacco, stay the fuck away from juul.
- Which company is truly ethical and not trying to optimize some form of addiction?
- Ok. Which companies’ addictions actually fucking kill you? How many people have died from doing too many google searches? How many people have died because they read Facebook too much? How many people died from playing Candy Crush?
Now how many people have died from JUULing?
Get it now?
- Juul is made in china too. it’s just a us marketing company that outsourced their production to a Chinese factory.
- To be honest, I took the interview almost satirically to see what it’s like, but after meeting the scientific teams I was genuinely sold. As for leaving Genentech, both companies are working to reduce cancer instance in the world, the teams were sharp, great backgrounds, and genuinely passionate about the work, so I felt pretty good about joining over a year ago and still do.
- You worked at Genentech, which makes cancer treatments, fights insurance companies and providers to bring those cancer treatments to those who can’t otherwise afford them, and dedicates itself to eliminating cancer, and you went to Juul, a company whose entire mission is based on getting young teens hooked on a drug and a product that kills.
Shame on you. You are, at best, a gullible human that sold their soul.
- Very soon there will be Juul products that require age verification and access control at a device level. Meaning only people older than legal smoking age can purchase and each user can deactivate their devices so their underaged siblings couldn’t sneak puffs.
Youth prevention is the single most important factor that will determine whether we’ll still have a job in a year, every team at Juul works on something related to it.
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- I get what juul supporters are saying from a smoker’s perspective. And ok, it’s positioned to help people quit smoking.
My problem is that almost everyone that I’ve seen sucking on a juul has been a young adult: between 15 and 24. And for that crowd, it’s not about quitting smoking but about looking cool. You know what it was like being that young, once you get ok with inhaling and exhaling stuff, going to something more potent is really just a matter of time. “Juuling” is a real thing.
Do you guys have any data about your customer demographics?
- That is a genuine problem. It’s tough to get good user data because online purchases are already screened for age (go to JUULs website and try to “shop”, see how difficult it is) and in store purchases, even with the survey slip, are self selecting since underage people wouldn’t use it. I can tell you that mathematically, it’s not reasonably possible for underage users to account for the huge YOY increase in sales, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. The best demographic data will probably be from the CSUR surveys we’ve done. Again, it’s very self selecting so it’s excluding underage users.
- That’s a false equivalency. There are gradations of things. Sure, a video game or social media might have accdictive properties. Nicotine will literally kill you. So...
- Lovedoo you honestly believe the world is either black or white? What on earth would cause everything to be a zero sum game? Some dogs bite so there should be no dogs? Some people are allergic to peanuts so we should stop selling peanuts? Literally nothing works that way and I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make.
- PubNub YoWassupVaping helped me quit smoking. I believe in their mission. I don’t currently work for them.
- You have got to be kidding me. Any of a number of studies and anecdotal evidence have shown that vaping is deadly.
And the claim being made by vaping proponents now is similar to those made previously in regards to diacytl claim : tests are using unrealistic vaping conditions humans don't use ie heating the liquid to a temperature that a normal device wouldn't.
The juul is low powered and barely heats the liquid. It's probsbly the safest vaping device around. I think it uses temperature control but I'm not 100% sure on that.
- Glooko / Othertr00thJuul gets smokers off of cigarettes and is nowhere near as harmful as smoking cigarettes. I'm sure vaping is still less healthy than not vaping at all but it's not the worst thing one can do to their body. Nicotine is addictive af but unless you abuse it senselessly or have pre-existing cardiovascular issues it's not that bad health-wise. The issue with kids vaping, that's a serious problem, I agree. But don't blame Juul, blame the retailers or bad parental oversight or our poor substance abuse education. But teens will be teens, they'll always find a way to cigarettes, weed, pills, other street drugs, whippits, and their parents' liquor collections. Now it's Juul. *shrug*
- Facebook JJml72I didn’t realize how much I hate smoking until I tried Juul products. Let alone the reduction in health benefits, I don’t go to meetings spreading smoke everywhere anymore. I always thought it doesn’t smell until I stopped and I started detecting smokers from miles away. I believe in this company since it improved my life significantly. Juul/vaping will replace smoking in the next 10 years.
- @genomic health, I can affirmatively tell you that working at JUUL has been the most challenging and exciting scientific opportunity I’ve ever had. I’m preclinical, and I work closely with the regulatory/legal team and that group is absolutely elite, I’d highly recommend giving it a thought
- I can’t even believe that people think they are helping people get off cigarettes, they are literally marketing to kids and kids under 18 think it’s the cool thing to do. So, introducing a new generation to cigarettes because they think it’s cool is helping? Sorry, can’t buy that for a second. I’m not shaming those who decide to work there, that’s your choice,
I’m shaming the tactics and the propaganda the top execs sell to employees and the public to make billions.
If people truly want to quit cigarettes, they will do it. My parents did many years ago without JUUL, the ‘safe’ alternative
- You don't know anything about addiction do you? Millions of people have tried and have failed at quitting smoking. Obviously, it is not just "will power". And while we talk, that generation is already getting high on cocaine and LSD. Vaping is the least of health concerns for teens
- @Viekire unfortunately I do know all too well about addiction and exactly what it looks like and how it tears families apart. Alcoholism runs in my family and I lived my childhood through it. Cigarettes aren’t that psychologically damaging to family members typically but is very addictive. I understand the thought that this is a bridge to sobriety but I’m here to say I’ve seen addicts try to convince themselves that an alternative will help them quit, it simply does not. JUUL is not in the business of helping people quit tobacco, that would be a terrible business model for a company with this product, it’s that simple.
- For everyone that has been able to quit, there are 20 others who have not been to. Kudos to your parents that they were able to quit, but obviously there are complex biochemical phenomena that make it so hard for most people.
Juul is running clinical trials right now, and letting the regulators take a closer look at their products. They didn't have to, if they just wanted to be another nicotine company.
And eventually, even if vaping just ends up becoming a substitute for smoking, what is so bad about it? Health consequences of vaping are nearly not as devastating as cigarettes that are on the market today. Cannabis is an industry, right?
- JUUL lYhT50Gilead, that is absolutely the goal. The clinical trials are in support of FDA approval with the end goal of assessing the harm reduction potential of vaping, for those who are looking to quit smoking. In the UK and Canada, public health officials have already acknowledged the potential of vaping to help smokers quit: https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction-0 and https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/smoking-tobacco/vaping/smokers.html
- New aLuu55It’s amazing to me how so many people hate Juul labs. I don’t think they realize the enormous numbers of lives being literally saved by the fact that so many smokers stopped smoking by using Juuls. I am one of those ex-smokers.
It’s annoying that so many teenagers are using Juuls, but that’s a problem with the SELLERS, not Juul itself. I can’t tell you how many gas stations don’t check ID. If you’re going to complain, complain about the gas stations, not Juul.
We’re poised to regulate e-cigarettes in a way that could easily bring millions of people back to smoking cigarettes. It would be a disaster.
- And do you geniuses realize juul is small in the vaping market when you consider all the other vaping devices especially those from China???
Like juul is the only vaping company around?
- So helping people quit smoking somehow is bad? Like, wtf is wrong with your logic man?
The process of inhaling smoke is what is deadly. This isn't hard to understand!
- Smoking is killing my dad. He will die from it and already is suffering greatly from it. Vaping could get him to switch but he has misunderstandings about it much like op here is peddling.
So when I hear wrongs about vaping I get a little pissed off.
Keep in mind that vaping could and does save lives when you say things that you clearly haven't fully vetted. You might be helping to keep people smoking that would otherwise be able to quit.
- I’m sorry to hear about your father. My mom remarried to a heavy smoker, and I worry about him.
While vaping would help your dad, the mere existence of vaping devices gets people to smoke something who would’ve otherwise wouldn’t have if only given the option of cigarettes.
So I think the devices help some people, but also hurt others, and it isn’t evident if they’re in aggregate making society better. On an individual case, I can absolutely see a positive for someone like your dad or my stepdad.
- Juuls are great and if there was any way in which they would be hiring for my role, and I was looking for a new job, I'd take it
... well, on second thought, I would be uncomfortable with the idea that the government might just make them illegal and shut them down, which puts an unacceptable risk on my work visa. But ignoring that....
I have read a bunch of relevant studies and I am not convinced that they are any more dangerous than anything else known to the state of California to cause cancer and reproductive harm. I am otherwise pro-nicotine in the same way that I am pro-caffeine.
People say they're marketing to children. I have never seen an ad for a juul, anywhere, ever, so I can't judge this. If they are doing this, I think that's bad, and it might give me pause. If they are not actively marketing to children, though, I don't see them as morally responsible for how their product is misused. Kids shouldn't be vaping, but I shouldn't have to do their parents' jobs for them.
Besides, per above, I don't believe juuls are any worse for you than coffee is, and nobody's outraged that all these teens are patronizing starbucks
- I’ve heard radio ads about the names they advertise the flavors as, and (while this could be a judgement call, since I’m sure flavored vaping does appeal to adults) it certainly sounds like they’re targeting a youthful clientele.
That being said, the ad I heard was an anti-smoking ad. I’ve never seen a Juul advertisement, so I couldn’t speak to them directly.
- _radio_ ads? As if kids these days even know what a radio is.
Joking aside, I'm not convinced that dumb names mean they're targetting kids. It's a subculture thing, the same way that strains of weed have dumb names. I could be open to believing that it's one _part_ of targetting kids but the flavours alone aren't convincing to me
As for juuls specifically, iirc they have
Which strike me more as "covering all their main bases" and not "targetting kids with fun flavours". You have tobacco for the traditionalists, mint because you always have mint, fruit because fruit is a generic flavour for everything, and cucumber which is the closest thing to 'no flavour' you're going to get.Jan 290
- I picked up a juul when my buddy offered me a hit of his 2 years ago. I haven’t been able to stop since and I wasn’t a smoker before. Fucking horrible, wish I never touched the thing.
- Workday / EngskerppmoreMy personal take is that I'm not instrumental to their sales or success as a company. If I don't work for them, they'll find an identical employee the very next day. So I wouldn't be guilty; it's just another Bay area salary. But I would also like for them to come down more harshly on its use by teenagers and smoking tobacco in general. Technically it's 21+ but I don't see them enforcing it very well. It is also marketed as a product for recovering smokers which is... probably a small fraction of their customers. They have a moral obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard than what the law requires.
- I’d love to work there, get in in time for them to launch a real cannabis line! Going to be a huge company despite the scandals.
- Adobe / EnguNMM82Need a survey option like: "Doesn't have any interesting software problems to work on"
- I hate their product (I have teens who sneak vaping), but business is business. It would be a factor, but a minor one among the other factors, in choosing whether to work there or not.
- Just because I think it looks gay as hell, doesn’t mean I think it should be banned. I don’t think smoking should be banned either, other than those that don’t smoke have a right not to breathe in that stinky $h!t about their day.
I also think whether or not a teen chooses to imbibe in illicit activities says a lot about their character.
- I thought they were cool until they sold out to big tobacco. I hope to see alternative brand to challenge them and will root for them instead.
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