KPMG Senior Associate TC @ 120k. Is this a joke?

New oh1
Nov 1, 2018 24 Comments

Was interviewing for data scientist senior associate at KPMG, Seattle and the final offer they gave me was $115k + 10% bonus. Is this a joke?

I straight out told recruiter even non FAANG TC is $160-180k for Senior position. Fresh greenhorn grad at FAANG is $150k. I then check management consulting salary for KPMG and its $145k base ($170k TC).

Are they bullshiting me or do DS have different payscale? Cause this is a consultant travel is required position.

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  • Workday / Eng Jimmyjim
    It’s KPMG....what’d you think
    Nov 1, 2018 2
    • New oh1
      OP
      Sorry I thought they were better. I have friends in MBB with $180k TC entry level, so I figured non MBB will be $160k.

      At this payscale how are they even filling open positions?
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      RedLiberal

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      RedLiberalmore
      ^ they're not. Hence the reason they aren't mbb.
      Nov 1, 2018
  • Nielsen / Eng
    RedLiberal

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    RedLiberalmore
    Big 4 is known for not paying well. You need to go mbb if you want better pay. If you want serious pay, you need to go into pure tech. If you want celebrity and pro athlete pay, you need to go into Fintech. That's really all there is to it.
    Nov 1, 2018 11
    • Facebook Totalcomp
      I did fintech for years, pure tech pays better.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      RedLiberal

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      @Totalcomp for SWEs sure. Not for MLEs/quants etc. Not even close in my experience. Quants received bonuses alone as big as swe/quant salaries in pure tech. Wlb is inexistent but that's the price to pay I guess.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Facebook Totalcomp
      Redliberal: I was writing quantitative financial software. There are people who do exceptionally well anywhere, but not that many do really well in fintech. It seems like it'd be easier to get to director in faang and still make more.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      RedLiberal

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      You have a very good argument with that regard. From my standpoint I have zero communication skills so as expected, no leadership skills for non-tech/math folks. So director for anything not involving pure Dev/research, I have virtually no chance. You certainly have a good point though.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Facebook Totalcomp
      Yeah exactly, to make the big bucks in the big banks, you not only need to write software and be quantitative and understand finance and be able to manage a team (all of which applied to me), but then also need direct front office pnl exposure. That typically means client-facing. There might be a few exceptions, but they're rare enough to have equivalents in tech too.

      If you can develop all the skills to get to being a front office client facing quantitative manager, and win on pnl, you could probably also get to director here faster and still get paid more.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      RedLiberal

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      Definitely fair. I'm just glad quants are looked at as production machines and nothing more lol. I'm not depressed or any of that, I literally just suck at communicating ideas in spoken language.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Apple FhpG28
      What is mbb?
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      RedLiberal

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      McKinsey, Bain, Boston Consulting. They pay significantly better than big 4 but not nearly as well as pure tech and there's no wlb. Ultimately, unless you really really wanna be a consultant, there's no reason to go to any firm over a pure tech organization.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Facebook Totalcomp
      Fhpg28: Mckinsey, bcg, Bain.

      Redliberal: communication skills can definitely be learned just like anything else with effort. I thought I sucked at it too, which was why I first went into software development, but was able to catch up.
      Nov 1, 2018
    • Nielsen / Eng
      RedLiberal

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      ^ that's probably true but I've been practicing for a few years now. No luck lol. People just look at me sideways when I explain object detection.
      Nov 1, 2018
  • Facebook / Mgmt RonWalt
    Normal for tier-3 consulting firm in a non-client facing role
    Nov 1, 2018 1
  • Axtria nyc!
    Yes, that's what they pay. You can negotiate upto $130 TC.
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng rRPD43
    They are also going to work you to death
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Oath / Eng lol 😂
    Leveling in big4 is very different.

    Senior is like L3 level. Manager is their L4. Senior manager is L5. I don’t think they have L6 equivalent. You go straight to L7 partner.
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • KPMG / Consultant zk1337
    Try moving up the ladders in FAANG and see how far you get vs big4
    Jun 1 0
  • New / Data
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    BigFourDSmore
    Go get a job in pure tech then. BigFour pay much differently - they do not yet understand comp of tech companies and BigFour recruiters will do their best to lie to you about conversations regarding compensation and other things.

    How many years of experience do you have?
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    UTukMyJerb

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    UTukMyJerbmore
    KPMG Keeps Paying Minuscule Greens
    Nov 1, 2018 0
  • Invesco / Data datajockey
    Lol
    Nov 1, 2018 0

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