L4 Offer - Should I take it?

AT&T MsdR32
7d 48 Comments

1. 4 YOE, non FAANG,
2. Current TC < 100k
3. I did well on interviews, but have no competing offers.
4. Matched with 2 teams in about 2 weeks on Bay Area.
5. Got an L4 offer for 260k.
6. Levels.fyi says 272k is average for 4 Yoe in CA

I said I was ready to sign immediately for 265k, they said no - nothing extra without a competing offer. They are my top choice and I don't want to be unable to get more matches.

I'm interviewing elsewhere (they were my first onsite - rookie mistake, I know), but no offers yet.

What should I do, and why?

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  • Expedia Group / Product produxtBrah
    you literally make less than 100k and are asking about being low balled on 260
    7d 2
    • Tableau krxi15
      So what? I made less than 100k and I now make 5 times that. My current comp has nothing to do with what my next company wants to offer. It is not even legal to ask for current comp in Cali.
      7d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Current salary has no bearing on market rate.
      6d
  • Amazon oyVu40
    If a company has literally told you "nothing extra without a competing offer" then that tells how that company treats it's employees. Just saying.
    7d 5
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      That's part of the issue - it feels a bit strange.
      7d
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      It’s business after all. Your market value is equal to the highest offer you can get. To get the highest offer, you need competing offers. No company will give you top of the band pay if you don’t have leverage in the negotiations. What is so strange about this? It’s capitalism.
      7d
    • Google SdrPikachu
      Straightforward, without bullshitting you. That means their first offer was exactly what you are worth to them and they didn't play games trying to get you to accept something lower. Sounds good to me.
      7d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      No, first offer was 30k lower. My recruiter told me they will raise it before she even told me the number.
      7d
    • Amazon oyVu40
      Anyway I would just accept that offer since you are coming from 100k current TC. Start working at Google but interview again in a few months. Get Google on resume once for all.
      7d
  • Amazon TiCi
    Is this a real question? Take the damn offer, it’s not a lowball either.
    7d 2
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Everyone says levels.fyi is accurate for Google, so I feel a bit undervalued that they wouldn't even add 5k per year - I'm still asking for less than average (and of course like everyone else I think I'm way better than average)
      7d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Also, I appreciate your directness!
      6d
  • Google / Eng
    proletaria

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Workers of the world, unite!
    proletariamore
    Given your entire description, and assuming there's a 1-2 week deadline for the offer, I would personally accept it (leaving Google in a few weeks, so no bias there).

    I had a similar experience before accepting my Stripe offer (they wouldn't budge on a small increase in sign on), and that threw me off (why would they be so petty over such a small increase?). Ultimately, it seems to be company policy, and there's not much the individual recruiter can do, especially for us lowly L4s.

    But, depending on how you included the sign on bonus, the comp does seem a bit on the low side. However, money isn't everything, and if you like the team and can live with $265k, why not accept $260k now.

    Once you have Google on your resume, it'll be very easy to get other interviews and better offers in the future.

    So let bygones be bygones, accept now and see where you stand in 2 years :).
    7d 3
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Care to share why you are leaving for Stripe?
      6d
    • Google / Eng
      proletaria

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Workers of the world, unite!
      proletariamore
      A few reasons, but the biggest one:
      Much harder to go up the ladder in a company with 100k+ employees with slowing growth than in a company with 1/100th the employees and explosive growth.
      6d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Makes sense, good luck!
      6d
  • Verizon Digital Media Services / Sales QQfa87
    Make up your own mind. Wtf? If you cannot decide on your own you do not deserve the job. I wouldn’t hire you now bc you come off as indecisive and greedy.
    6d 0
  • Cisco sidwj$
    $5k a year is not worth stressing about
    7d 0
  • Verizon QusA00
    You are an idiot if you are only turning down for 5k. That is less than 100$ a week
    6d 4
    • Pandora x0kjF
      When you say that it sounds significant. That's 14 Reese's Peanut Butter cups each day!
      6d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      If I can get 300k, that's quite a bump and definitely not insignificant.

      I was willing to take 265k to be done with the process.
      6d
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      I completely agree with you. Take the max they can give right now I.e 265k. Keep interviewing and jump ship for 300k+ when it happens. Make sure you invest a large portion of your salary in low cost index funds every week. I recommend dollar cost averaging on a weekly basis. Aggressively interview at all the top companies and negotiate hard to make the most money you can.
      6d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      I didn't get the 265k, so I told them I wanted to keep interviewing. I'm a bit surprised how 1 sided the results of the poll are.
      6d
  • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
    Take the offer and upgrade your life from 100k to 265k tc. Keep interviewing on the side and as soon as you get a higher offer elsewhere, leave. Even if it means leaving after a few days of joining google, do it. You have a short life. Don’t leave money on the table ever.
    7d 3
    • Compass / Other
      roriti

      Compass Other

      PRE
      Comcast
      roritimore
      Seems like a bad long term play. No one is gonna hire someone who jumps ship so frequently
      7d
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      I have had no issues changing jobs whenever I felt like. My average tenure per company is about a year and I have doubled my tc in 4 years. You seem to be setting artificial boundaries for yourself by not taking advantage of the job market.
      6d
    • Compass / Other
      roriti

      Compass Other

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      Comcast
      roritimore
      It's possible that you're optimizing for short term gain at the expense of long term gain. If you don't stay at a firm long enough, you won't get enough experience to rise up the ranks and get leadership experience.

      I have no insight into your particular case, but a lot of people would be wary of hiring someone who can't stay longer than a year into more senior positions
      6d
  • Apple vnqoza
    Fyi - even if you get a competing offer they wont match it unless its FB. All others, they’ll take and lower the number by 10-20%. And they ask for proof. Just had this happen to me and they took adv of the fact my other offer involved a 2hr commute. Decided to give them a chance cuz of RSU refresher and the rep they have with treating their employees. Giving them 4yrs, if it doesnt go well then at least its much easier to bail given the brand name on resume.
    6d 2
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      That's crazy. I understand not matching equity in private companies (like WeWork... I do not think they are worth anywhere near 47 billion), but another public company seems strange.
      6d
    • Apple vnqoza
      They understand the brand value, wlb, perks, ease of internal transfer, etc. and they leverage it to their adv like any other organization would.
      6d
  • Google / Eng dogfoodie
    It's a solid offer for your YOE and no competing offer. It's understandable coming from a lower TC that 5K seems like a lot. But in the larger picture of your overall career going forward, it's really inconsequential. If G is where you want to be, take the opportunity. You can always chase a higher TC in a couple years if that's what you really want to do.
    7d 2
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      I wanted 275 TC, and came down to 265 expecting them to do it when I said I would sign right away with that. They sent me an offer without going up at all.

      I should have done all my interviews at once, not scheduled only G - but oh well.
      7d
    • AT&T / Data Mr.Fix
      Sounds like you listed your issue and answer, accept it
      6d
  • CenturyLink quak
    You're an idiot.
    6d 1
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      There's no reason to post this without any reasoning.
      6d
  • Zillow Group z low
    Ask for extra avocado, tell the recruiter you are entitled
    3d 0
  • Google / Eng d3j88wq
    260k is exactly the median for L4 SWE at Google in Mountain View (and that includes L4s who are close to promo). It's a good offer.
    7d 0
  • Verizon wfWb83
    ? By the looks of it you have no reason to raise the offer’s value aside from what other people reported on levels.fyi and their total average. Hey buddy it’s not like all L4 candidates are equal. The higher end of that average were prob people with competing offers. You on the hand seem to have nothing aside from an ego to meet this average. Literally nobody will care about the missing 10k.
    5d 3
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      People seem to have lost track of the poll. It's not about the extra $5k per year, it's - should I interview elsewhere to get competing offers and risk losing my team matches? If I spend enough time I don't see why I couldn't get competing offers and go way up!

      And after this poll I've decided to reduce my risk tolerance and not lose my team match.
      4d
    • Verizon wfWb83
      Yeah it makes no sense to risk it at this point unless you were already interviewing at other places at the SAME time.
      3d
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      I didn't think I would have much trouble team matching again because I found my first few matches within like a week or two - but I think I have a good team, so I'm happy.
      3d
  • Google / Eng woot-woot
    🙄
    7d 2
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Can you elaborate?
      7d
    • Google / Eng woot-woot
      The difference is 12k and with CA taxes, that shrinks as well. Unless you have another offer, let it go.
      Also, it's a pretty good offer
      7d
  • LinkedIn 🐶🐯🙉hah
    Breakdown?
    7d 2
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      They gave me few options. I chose the one with highest base - 160k base, 24k bonus, 300k stock (over 4 years). I said I'd sign if they added a 25k signing bonus, got shot down :(
      7d
    • LinkedIn 🐶🐯🙉hah
      Still a decent offer for l4 you should take it
      6d
  • Pandora x0kjF
    They know you're going to accept, why give you more?
    7d 0