L6 Eng Manager Google offer evaluation

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Aug 18, 2018 67 Comments

Google: MTV location.
Base: 210k
Bonus: 20% - 30%
Equity over 4 years: 760k (update: 850k)
Projected Tc: 442k to 463k
Yoe:8 (7.75 really) all @ Amazon

Amazon TC due to stock appreciation 438k for 2018. Internal transfer offer in the Bay area.
Currently in Seattle. Relocating to the Bay.

Comments, suggestions, negotiation tips are appreciated.

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  • Amazon Gunsblazin
    There’s room for negotiation here. Base is good, Stocks can be close to 900k -1 mil. Signon any? How yoe as a manager?
    Aug 18, 2018 5
    • Amazon / Eng
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      5 yoe as manager. I've pushed back and asked for a sign on to offset the 100k+ Amazon vesting I will lose this year by joining. I'll know next week early if they budge.
      I did ask for 900 stock but looks unlikely as they already had to debate this much, as I hear.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon Gunsblazin
      I think your 8 yrs experience is why you got this offer 10+ with similar experience should put close if not above 500. Still solid offer with so much room to get better. Try to get signon and push for 800k rsus. I would accept it if they get there congratulations.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Microsoft jKxF52
      Wait you became a manager with only 3 years of experience? Wow
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Guns blazing, trying exactly that. Thanks. I wonder if the recruiter and comp committee is reading this. Meh..
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon / Mgmt
      CapnAmrica

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      Got aroubd 100k more in equity through negotiations. Accepting.
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt
    CapnAmrica

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    Update. Op here. Negotiations resulted in a bump in equity from 760 to 850. Verbally accepted and excited.
    Aug 21, 2018 1
    • Google SAVAGEGRDN
      Nice offer, nice name change

      Edit such a sick offer
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Pinterest hTEr33
    Isn’t this on lower side for L6 ? - I was expecting it > 500K
    Aug 18, 2018 12
    • Google // FIXME
      oh, we were all looking at IC. is L6 SDM == L7 IC at Amazon?
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      No. L7 IC outranks L6 SDMs. Pay scale for L7 IC is definitely higher.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Google // FIXME
      then levels.fyi seems wrong for the SDM ladders.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Is Google L6 EM and T6 IC considered the same operating level ?
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Google // FIXME
      yes.
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Google fksandiego
    This is a good offer -- esp considering L6 w/ only 8 yoe.
    Aug 18, 2018 0
  • Interview Kickstart / Eng
    Soham@IK

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    Getting L6 at 8 yoe is very good even for Google. Average L6 comp we have seen at G is 500k, but with more yoe. I believe Google is unlikely to go much higher than what they have offered in your case.
    Aug 18, 2018 0
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    Strtp2Crpmore
    This is on the lower end of L6. Which means that there is a lot of potential for a salary increase, before becoming L7.
    Aug 18, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng
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      That's what my research tells me. At Amazon I am within 18 months of L7. But I guess Google will be conservative on a new employee.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • New
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      Strtp2Crpmore
      That I don't know. I am starting at Google this Monday.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Google Bor
      Try to max the offer before you join. During perf people don't care what your comp is and you'll be calibrated against all other l6
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Trying.
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon mbd1965
    No brainer
    Aug 19, 2018 2
    • Amazon mbd1965
      Recently moved to Google
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Two key points that make you feel good about the move, please.
      Aug 19, 2018
  • Salesforce Vbgfjjkt
    Do you mind mentioning the interview process and the kind of questions you were asked please?
    Aug 18, 2018 6
    • Amazon lxRu75
      OP, can you pm me as well, please? Thank you!
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon xNP563
      Hey, can you pm me too, thanks!
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      I'm running out of my private messages but sure.
      Aug 19, 2018
    • Microsoft TurntAF
      I’m also interested in this, lol. As an engineering manager at Microsoft, I’ve read that managers are very few and far between at G? How many people will you manage, will you be managing leads, what was the interview process like?
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Microsoft 🤩FML🤩
      Bump. Would love to know!
      Sep 9, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt Seattle111
    Great offer. Take it. With overlapping refreshers in years 2-4 you will be making 500+
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Good to know refreshers overlap. I wasn't clear about this. Thanks
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Microsoft Ghyyyuu
    I thought base maxed at 165?
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Clarified post
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Facebook Shobc
    It’s better than what you have now IMO. Stock growth and overlapping stock awards. Google culture over Amazon for WLB, less stress, more prestige.

    Get competing offers if you want more if it’s not too late.
    Aug 18, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Too late for competing offers. I agree with your points. I was expecting a bit more wow with the offer I guess. AMZN stock growth though is hard to let go. I guess I can always buy.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Facebook Shobc
      Yea Google offers rarely wow. Particularly if you already make FANG money.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon Chindsed
      Do you have to show an official offer letter from competitor?
      Sep 9, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Nooglr

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      Nooglrmore
      There is nothing you have to do. You can always refuse.
      Sep 10, 2018
  • Amazon Chindsed
    Did you have competing offers or negotiated based on your current comp at amazon? Great offer, congrats!🎉
    Sep 9, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng
      Nooglr

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      Nooglrmore
      Amazon internal competing offer was the best I had. Rising stock value helped. OP here btw.
      Sep 10, 2018
    • Amazon Chindsed
      Thanks. Did you have to provide actual copy of competing offer, or verbal was ok?
      Sep 10, 2018
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      Nooglr

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      Slightly above average with 6 inches.
      Nooglrmore
      Verbal.
      Sep 10, 2018
  • Microsoft Ghyyyuu
    Since when does amazon offer a bonus?
    Aug 18, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng
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      They don't. Fixed confusing post.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • New timber
      There is an error in your calculations. Projected pay is 442k-463k
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Indeed. Corrected typo.
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Microsoft Hankhill
    This salary is kinda amazing. So OP you're only 30yrs old? I thought they'd require at least 10+ years for management
    Aug 18, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Not that young at all. Add 8 years for a PhD and 2 years work experience in India before that.
      Aug 18, 2018
    • Microsoft Hankhill
      Ah well, still well done and congrats!
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon 5g3
    How long have you been at Amazon?
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng
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      7 years 9 months
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Uber Thor24
    Pretty good offer. Look for a challenging team to ensure good growth and learning.
    Aug 18, 2018 0
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    SpydR

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    Update: I'm hiring my replacement in Amazon Alexa AI org. Pm me your linked in profile if interested.
    Aug 26, 2018 1
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      SpydR

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      I'm the OP.
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Microsoft gou34
    Are you L6 in Amazon?
    Aug 18, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng
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      Yes
      Aug 18, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
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    Any Googlers care to respond?
    Aug 18, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
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    Updated location. Amazon also in the Bay.
    Aug 18, 2018 0