Tech IndustrySep 24, 2019

L7 Google PM considering L6 FB offer

TC = $500K, 10+ YOE Hi folks! Assuming FB offsets drop in salary and bonus ($50K) with equal or greater equity bump, should I take the offer? What’s the best way to negotiate the offer? Also have invites from Uber, Lyft, Netflix and Apple, but haven’t pursued them yet. Should I try to get multiple offers? Goals: TC, maximize career trajectory, scope & impact, WL balance, in that order. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

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Facebook easzss Sep 24, 2019

what's wrong with your current position? I would go if there's a product and team you already like. See if FB would uplevel you to 7.

Google PrM OP Sep 24, 2019

FB claimed that post interview calibration, adjusting level is impossible. Anyone with evidence to the contrary?

Facebook easzss Sep 24, 2019

did you ask the recruiter?

Amazon CulStryBro Sep 24, 2019

Why would you do that to yourself?

Facebook easzss Sep 24, 2019

Depends on the facts - he could be part of a difficult team at goog or tired of the work there. Not clear what division he is in, and transferring is not always easy.

Amazon CulStryBro Sep 24, 2019

That sucks. An L7 PM at Amazon would have many teams begging them to join.

Google 👤likea🕳️ Sep 24, 2019

Honest question; do you truly believe that career trajectory, impact, and work life balance will be better at Facebook than Google?

Facebook easzss Sep 24, 2019

You should ask one of the 4k googlers at fb. Clearly the answer was yes, otherwise they wouldn't have left and stayed at fb. Google has gotten too big to the point that promos are getting (even) slower.

Google 👤likea🕳️ Sep 24, 2019

Come on now, you know there's likely just as many ex-FB at Google. Slow promos is legitimate, but not one of the reasons the OP stated

Google YDOO38 Sep 24, 2019

Doesn't seem to make any sense looking at levels.fyi

Amazon IDrS71 Sep 24, 2019

Looks like FB has up-ed their game. Till few months ago FB L6 and Google L6 were comparable

Google YDOO38 Sep 24, 2019

Not so sure. Most Googlers I know who left for FB got at least 1 level bump. FB can't just change their policy for new hires overnight; all existing employees would be considered too junior for their level...

Google lolol7 Sep 24, 2019

at l7 it depends more narrowly than fb vs goog, but you know this already. where is the market/product/tech opportunity? where is your network? where can you deliver value?

Facebook solidmeh Sep 24, 2019

Sounds like a downlevel for more work tbh. Comp needs to be compelling like 100k more especially since 10-15% of the company doesn’t meet expectations every half. IC6 is no joke.

Facebook solidmeh Sep 24, 2019

I am also curious to know why optimizing for career growth/TC. 7 is very senior at google and probably has high scope with high refreshers. You can be a director or even VP at a startup.

Facebook SuckerSoft Sep 24, 2019

Don’t move.

Facebook DefNotZuck Sep 24, 2019

Definitely don’t do this. Not unless you are at risk of getting fired at G. You will almost definitely have worse WLB at FB, not make more money, and be down leveled. Also FWIW, I’ve always seen FB match PM level at G. I’d try to get 7 if you wanted to switch

Facebook h2648psj Sep 24, 2019

If optimizing for title and $, then FB. But note that you will most likely lose WLB and need to deal with chaos

Uber twisties Sep 25, 2019

What chaos?

Facebook defhjrd Sep 25, 2019

Don’t.