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Layoffs on Monday - Advice?

Activision Blizzard samS0N
Feb 9

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  • eBay YAgV34
    Embrace the layoffs. This is an opportunity to get some well deserved time off before the next career move
    Feb 910
    • Futurism elonsmusk
      ^this.
      Feb 9
    • Google Woopsy
      You can get time off if you are well set financially : with a family to sustain and mortgage to pay it may not be possible for everyone!
      Feb 9
    • Activision Blizzard OFSF20
      It's awful though to see a company you love and admire fail so spectacularly because they have a habit of hiring in the worst managers from the most toxic companies in the world. Then when they predictably fail, they avoid blame by sacrificing innocent developers/QA/IT/etc to cover their failures.

      At least the innocents get some kind of severance when they get cast aside, but it's all so senseless and it'll keep happening because this company's management is the real problem. The org is too incompetent to spot and fix that.
      Feb 10
    • Activision Blizzard latt3D26
      Ofsf means Microsoft here for anyone wondering
      Feb 10
    • Microsoft CykaBlyat
      Of course there's some way you can blame Microsoft for this too. Do you guys not have phones?
      Feb 11
    • eBay DFQW81
      Google, typically, software engineers aren't living paycheck to paycheck, so it's a good opportunity to take a week or so off before getting back into interviewing.
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft $$|$$
      Not for people who are on visa
      Feb 11
    • Riot Games mIPC18
      My company will probably be sending recruiters over there to pick people up if this happens, as will others I'm sure
      Feb 11
    • Cruise Automation wutb
      I'm a huge proponent of taking time off between jobs and have probably done so to excess, but I wonder if it's a good idea to do so during such a tight labor market. I'm sure you'll still be hireable, but locking in comp while employers are so desperate seems like a good idea
      Feb 11
    • Wayfair 1234abc123
      @Riot will you be sending branded Teslas, like Oracle does at AWS events? (please don't do this, it makes you look very sad and desperate.)
      Feb 11
  • LinkedIn LSJk37
    Stay strong, reach out to your LinkedIn connections and start looking outside.
    Feb 90
  • Netflix LG
    Always a good idea to cover some leet code problems every day
    Feb 98
    • LinkedIn pKin88
      Is this practice common in Netflix? Because there’s no job security?
      Feb 9
    • Glassdoor yyyyyyyyy
      Leetcoding every day ? Is that a life worth living ?
      Feb 9
    • Netflix LG
      I meant that he can leetcode every day(now that he knows a lay-off is in the horizon). Yeah doing leetcode every day will suck
      Feb 9
    • Microsoft gumba
      Everyday will suck, but maybe a few per week is more practical
      Feb 11
    • Intuit secretD
      How would it suck, unless if u agree what we do day to day in job as coder sucks too.
      Feb 11
    • Oracle suchisl!fe
      Sad story of an engineers life
      Feb 11
    • Splunk KE94107
      The whole reason for leetcoding is ridiculous: because fewer than 1% of us actually write algorithms as part of our daily work, the only way to keep current is to use your free time re-learning crap you took in college at age 19. Yuck.
      Feb 11
    • Lockheed Martin Schz3
      Bingo, secretD
      Feb 11
  • Oracle not_larry
    Update resume. Now.
    Feb 94
    • Intuit secretD
      That Now is really powerful. Made me think about updating mine even if M in no trouble.
      Feb 11
    • New aatw
      Hi Larry!
      Feb 11
    • And send it out if you even have a remote chance of getting hit. Easier to withdraw consideration than be the 89th person to apply out of 90 schmucks that got cut. Early bird gets the worm (however 2nd mouse gets the cheese).
      Feb 11
    • New aatw
      Damn Skippy... What passion projects do you have laying around? Got enough capital and time to put some time in on them?
      Feb 11
  • Futurism elonsmusk
    Also, never take it personally. Someone from the top makes a decision — usually finance-related — and the proverbial shit rolls downhill. If the unfortunate happens, do as Bruce Lee says:

    “Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”
    Feb 94
    • Google nlogn
      Or be a cat, easier to achieve.
      Feb 9
    • Amazon spookykid
      Looks like Lee's thought sucked. He died very young.
      Feb 11
    • Verizon zoBr70
      Be Chuck Norris
      Feb 11
    • Clover Health doenfh
      Be yourself, unless you can be Betty White. Then, be Betty White.
      Feb 11
  • Salesforce BvFy21
    Here’s my list from a past lay-off. Missing numbers are ones I removed as they were specific to me.

    1. Go into office, clean desk in advance. If it happens it will want to exit the building quickly.
    2. Order Employee Software, to the max
    3. Get all fitness reimbursements
    4. Back up all data
    5. Print out all contacts / save to cloud
    6. Be ready to wipe HD’s
    7. Update LinkedIn, Resume
    8. Freshen contacts with a what’s up, esp at companies where I want I want to go next

    10. Check all other employee discounts, aapl etc.
    11. Research cell phone porting
    12. Strategize RE: stock options and savings
    13. (on layof, liquidatestocks and funds etc to make sure cash flow is solid for a while
    14. (on layoff) Meet w. Accountant to strategize stock liquidation plans re tax
    15. Explore partner’s Open Enrollment and benefits vs cobra
    Feb 105
    • Amazon scoops34
      Why will you want to exit the building quickly?
      As a person that's never seen layoffs, does it turn into a fucking riot?
      Feb 11
    • Salesforce BvFy21
      It’s a very emotional day. You don’t want to weep in front of coworkers or even just have a ton of awkward interactions. You just want to gtfo-at least I did.
      Feb 11
    • Conduent Mile
      Organize your afternoon so you can get to the layoff party. It'll just be beer & pizza - and organize it yourself if you have to. Some people won't go, but it's a good chance to chat and talk about plans.
      Feb 11
    • A10 Networks El_Kabong
      Very good list. @scoops34 - If the lay-off is big enough, it will get crazy. I worked at a very large company that had a very big bankruptcy, and they laid off 80% of the workforce. You want to gtfo ASAP.
      Feb 12
    • General Motors E.TuskMusk
      I can vouch for cleaning up your desk beforehand. There’s nothing more demoralizing than slowly going through all your things as a HR/Security person waits to walk you out.
      Feb 13
  • Pinterest JEJM77
    More immediately, download your W-2 and any other forms you may need (benefit information for the next few weeks, work authorization, etc.), back up any personal files you want to save, make sure there’s nothing you’ll be sad about losing if you get cut off Monday morning at 8 AM
    Feb 94
    • Amazon scoops34
      Oh God, this.
      If you ever tell a company that you're leaving for a rival, a security guard will typically come over to watch you pack and escort you out same day.
      Feb 11
    • Activision Blizzard OFSF20
      The people who have already been let go were asked to leave immediately, and facilities is packing/mailing their things to them.
      Feb 11
    • P&G Xkzq46
      Yeah, but he’s saying get your electronic shit. A copy of your insurance policy (COBRA) a copy of the termination policy, a copy of your performance reviews, a copy of your pay stubs. Get all of it now. Security may mail your shit back to you, but they’re not going to get those things off the intranet for you
      Feb 11
    • SpaceX plokjimnb
      Also just go ahead and take a shit on a dept manager's desk in advance. If you get laid off you may regret not taking this action beforehand
      Feb 11
  • SpaceX uevh5
    Update your LinkedIn and turn on the I am actively looking setting. I've been laid of three times in the last four years and nothing boosts morale more than getting recruiters' calls the day of the layoff. My TC more than tripled as a result of the job changings.
    Feb 92
    • Microsoft cachoocho
      What’s your TC at SpaceX? And YOE?
      Feb 11
    • SpaceX uevh5
      It was $260k when I left. I am back at MSFT at $330k. 22 yoe.
      Feb 12
  • Comcast cmr1222
    This is the never ending cycle of making profits, squeezing employees to extract more profits and the end results always turn out the same. The public gets spooked, recession and resurgence. When will we learn new tricks?
    Feb 93
    • Google nlogn
      Why do you need new tricks if the old one works every single time?
      Feb 9
    • Amazon sinter
      Economists should care about fixing this but they tend to operate from atop a pile of assumptions which is not a good approach for fixing structural issues.
      Feb 11
    • Booking.com b.usdriver
      How is this an economists issue? Clearly shitty behavior from execs and and policy makers turning a blind eye
      Feb 11
  • Qualcomm ggIN&OUT
    If you’re Indian, other Indians will refer you! If not you’re fucked!
    Feb 112
    • PayPal outOfBound
      Not true. I will refer you irrespective of nationality. I value referral bonus more
      Feb 11
    • Cruise Automation andhcuf
      I love this. Capitalism beats racism :) unfortunately it also beats humanity
      Feb 12
  • Facebook 5'6"Indian
    Update your resume and don't blame yourself if you're impacted. Good luck
    Feb 90
  • Amazon UTukMyJerb
    OP where are you based and what's your title and YOE. I have a few roles to fill.
    Feb 94
    • Amazon robotpeep
      Don't do it
      Feb 11
    • Wayfair 1234abc123
      Some freshly pipped spots to fill, eh?
      Feb 11
    • AdRoll ipopwc
      Is that a spot market joke?
      Feb 12
    • Wayfair 1234abc123
      No it's an Amazon joke. He just fired people and now wants to replace them. Cuz Amazon. PIP.
      Feb 12
  • Microsoft Desitechie
    Layoffs ate over hyped.
    I've seen people --even those without mortgages-- fear layoffs instead of celebrating that they are getting a 3-6 month severance pay.
    If only I could get laid off with a 6 month severance, I'd be celebrating!!
    Feb 114
    • Verizon Hedin!
      This. I would take all my unvested stock (thank you very much), take 6 months of free pay and medical insurance and enjoy life / travel / spend time with family. Then I would LC for a month to get back.
      Feb 11
    • Uber Rocco69
      Depends on how much you like your current position and how good the overall market is. In 2002, you could have been looking for a job for a year as one of the top 5% of engineers and it would have been a hit or miss. Some of the people who kept their jobs were not even close to the best, but were at the right place at the right time
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft Desitechie
      I'm talking of the recent past. we haven't been close to anything like 2002 in 10 years.
      Even if you're on a Visa, most decent companies keep you on payroll for a while.
      Some people are just paranoid.
      Feb 11
    • VMware BobbleHat
      The paranoid survive
      Feb 11
  • eBay laserpntr
    Spam recruiters, update resume, leetcode, interview at places you don’t want to work at first, to get practice.
    Feb 90
  • Facebook NLWa46
    Read up on how to negotiate through a lay-off. Stay strong and lean on your loved ones and family. This is not about you, but the company and management. Remind yourself of that often if impacted.
    Feb 110
  • Microsoft boblawblog
    You guys ruined WoW, you deserve it. Maybe you'll get store mounts as severance.
    Feb 110
  • Expedia Smurfette
    Copy any non-confidential materials you don’t want to lose - kudos emails, annual reviews, presentations you’ve made, names of people you want to stay in touch with etc - to a jump drive or email them to a personal account, in case you are terminated immediately and won’t be able to get back to your accounts.
    Feb 110
  • Tableau HyperJesus
    Get out of the gaming industry. Or just accept that this will always be your fate.
    Feb 113
    • VMware chupa
      Yearly layoffs are the norm at most major tech companies.
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft palais
      But in gaming, whole studios close...
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft 206wrkr
      I found the gaming industry to be very juvenile. Studios up & down, followed by the same people/employees.
      Feb 13
  • Vungle pyTP81
    Keep your chin up. These layoffs are the result of decisions most likely outside of your control. Don’t take it personally. If you can, try to setup 1:1’s with anyone in the company who has been supportive of you and your work during your time there. You never know where people will end up. This is a relatively small industry, doors will open. It may not happen right away but try to use the time, however long it may be, to do a thorough gut check to figure out the right next move for you, your passions.
    It’ll all work out. It probably doesn’t feel like it atm but it will.
    Feb 110
  • Activision Blizzard others
    Fucking hell this was bullshit
    Feb 1210
    • ??? What happened???
      Feb 12
    • Activision Blizzard others
      Got canned, product teams weren’t affected(game teams) so all support teams had give blood.
      Feb 12
    • Oh shit...that sucks. Did they show you the door or did they give you a chance to search internally?
      Feb 12
    • Activision Blizzard others
      Not really. Brought into meeting with Hr and some other people and they went over the stuff and told me the details and if I wanted to apply I can and would get “VIP” treatment
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft ecx
      Sorry man. It sucks. Do you get proper severance?
      Feb 12
    • Activision Blizzard others
      3 months. This whole thing is fucking bullshit
      Feb 12
    • How long did u work there
      Feb 13
    • Activision Blizzard others
      1 year 3 months . There was a wide range of people who got laid off. My org got hit hard. Basically being an engineer on a non game team is aweful.
      Feb 13
    • It isn’t super difficult to find another job if you can code. So could be worse. You could have been marketing or esports.
      Feb 14
    • Activision Blizzard others
      The leetcode environment makes interviewing painful
      Feb 14
  • Salesforce ldmend
    Get out of gaming and get into enterprise, time to get paid and treated equal to your talent
    Feb 120
  • eBay manorama
    If you are unemployed , unvested stock is gone
    Feb 110
  • New DvVM00
    my advice is to worry about it incessantly
    Feb 110
  • This will keep happening until we unionize or do something similar.
    Feb 123
    • All our jobs would be in India overnight
      Feb 12
    • Maybe but the typical quality from APAC outsourcing is shit and everyone high up knows it. That’s why it hasn’t happened en masse.
      Feb 12
    • Deloitte FHAs14
      And then 75% would come back due to quality issues, lol.
      Feb 12
  • No matter what is (or was?) your TC, apply for Unemployment benefit. Every little bit help since your income will go from $$$ to $0.
    Feb 112
    • What if you had a part-time job are you eligible for unemployment?
      Feb 11
    • You get reduced benefit, depending on the state.

      Had a friend who was laid off in 2008. With the severance (IIRC it was just for 2 months, not much) and unemployment benefit, he stayed at home and honed his skills while looking for jobs full time (networking, attending talks, applying online, etc). He got a job soon after.
      Feb 11
  • New chochi
    Even if you get a fat severance, don't wait to start your search for something new. It can take forever -- like way longer than you might expect.
    Feb 121
  • Google come2daddy
    Unionise and get standard pay all your life.
    Feb 120
  • New muchado
    Anyone who is getting laid off, I may have some roles in front end, back end, full stack, PM. You can email me at lana@puffintalent and I'll tell you if I have a match or a referral for you.
    Feb 110
  • Intuit j123x
    Be happy layoff is in February when job market is warming up. Good luck.
    Feb 110
  • PayPal outOfBound
    Stay strong. Hope you are not on visa. Blind community can refer if needed. Let me know if you need Paypal referral.
    Feb 110
  • Facebook 5'6"Indian
    So OP, did you make it?
    6d4
    • Activision Blizzard others
      Depends on what team he was on
      6d
    • Activision Blizzard OCpeach
      I did...this time.
      6d
    • Activision Blizzard others
      Ayy
      6d
    • Activision Blizzard others
      What team?
      6d
  • One time I was told I was being laid off. The first thing I did was maintain a positive attitude in the office.

    The second thing that I did was listen to advice from an old-timer at the office. He said make a list of all the things that you do for the company and give it to the manager (or whomever is staying). Let the manager know that these are the things that may have to be done when you're gone. Don't make it seem like you're giving the list to try to save your job genuinely make it seem as if you're worried about business continuity.

    Literally on my final day they changed their mind and let me stay. I think what enabled me to stay was my attitude after receiving the news. I do think providing a list is a nice gesture and it may help. However I don't know how well that would work if an entire department gets laid off.
    Feb 113
    • Amazon beesohhs
      Wow. I mean good for you but the odds of any situation playing out this way ever again in this dimension are literally zero. Not .00000001. Zero.
      Feb 12
    • New anagram
      Did you stay? Hadn't you found a job by then?
      Feb 12
    • Yes I understand that this is rare but what I have done. This happened to me when I work at Caterpillar.

      One time when I worked at Dell they gave me five weeks notice but I stayed positive and got another job internally.

      Both companies I ended up leaving. Living under the stress of losing your job is no way to live!
      Feb 12
  • Zillow Group NDwB78
    Are you in the OC? Zillow is hiring. DM me
    Feb 112
    • Activision Blizzard others
      Can I send a DM?
      Feb 12
    • Zillow Group bhKx31
      Careful will Zillow. Do your research...
      Feb 13
  • Blue apron Imvisiting
    Grin and bear it. Cause it happens. And it will happen again. And it’s not personal.
    Feb 131
    • Activision Blizzard others
      Kinda feels like it when when ur Director ultimately decides and not single person in middle management gets layed off.
      Feb 13
  • Bloomberg IAMSlayer
    Layoffs only happen on Tuesdays
    Feb 111
  • OnDeck GPgj02
    Bring a recording device and get HR to say something that you can use to sue the company.
    Feb 111
    • eBay YAgV34
      That would be a perfect way to lose severance
      Feb 11
  • Let me know if you need referral to Nvidia
    Feb 111
    • Magic Leap Leaper2020
      I need it man, can you refer me ?
      Feb 12
  • Roblox FvBz00
    Roblox is hiring!
    6d0
  • New nMxI01
    Send me a DM. Looking for Product Marketing roles in Irvine and SF. Engineering in SF.
    Feb 130
  • Facebook meyuejjr
    I used to like your games
    Feb 120
  • Intuit CowsRfuzzy
    Seriously though, the gaming industry treats their developers like shit.
    Feb 120
  • Mozilla realMoz
    Forward necessary emails and backup any evidence
    Feb 110
  • New ussI58
    Start working on lc
    Feb 110
  • Uber Rocco69
    Leetcode hard
    Feb 110
  • New YEDF60
    Cry at your desk.
    Feb 110
  • Xilinx SrEe’
    Its for your eventual good, though at this moment it might not look like that. Experience.
    Feb 110
  • Deloitte weirdflex
    Best advice you’ll hear today: don’t get fired 🤙
    Feb 110
  • Intel bxsnlns
    Sorry, this is life at an 'At will' company, no job security. As said above, prepare for the worst & start to look for options.
    Feb 110
  • Quanergy Systems sj5uq
    hopefully you'll get a decent severance unlike some dumpy places that give 1 week only
    Feb 90
  • I’m hiring data and cloud and backend engineers in Boston if u wanna move
    Feb 113
    • Microsoft bomba355
      Hey I am in a similar situation
      I lost my visa though and would need a new one. I am eligible for a TN and H-1B. Would you be able to refer me for a backend role?
      Feb 12
    • Yes DM me dude
      Feb 13
    • Microsoft bomba355
      @Bose. Thanks a lot. Unfortunately I've exhausted all of my messages for the month. If you don't mind you can message me. Otherwise I'll save a link to this post and reach out to you next month.
      Feb 13

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