Leaving Amazon India in 8 months

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Nov 2 40 Comments

What can be a good reason for me to give to the prospective hiring managers for this immediate change?

My original reason is low TC.
I joined as an L4 SDE with 2 YOE taking a pay cut believing I would get promoted and compensation would become equivalent to L5 after 1.5-2 years.

But after joining I realised there is a big pay gap between promoted and hired L5. Besides that promotion also takes at least 1.5 years according to my manager who says you are performing at L5 but we need at least 1.5 years to promote. So I don't feel any motivation to work at Amazon and feel instead I should boomerang back to L5 in 6 months or so.
I originally had other offers with up to 50% more TC than Amazon but like a fool, I rejected them to join at a low TC here.

I am not sure how to frame this reason in the interview? Directly saying TC might make me look greedy.

In a recent interview with another company, I tried to wing it by saying high ops load, low learning opportunities but HM wasn't buying it. I am able to clear most of the technical interviews but get stuck mostly in HM round around this question.

TC at Amazon: 20LPA
YOE: 2.5

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  • Wayfair hitman047
    Lol. Kids these days with barely 2.5 YoE have the balls to call the shots at FAANG?
    Nov 2 1
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      I dunno, clearing Amazon at L4 and L5 doesn't seem very difficult to me at least in India.

      I see many of my college friends with the same experience as mine joining as L5 with double my TC.
      Nov 2
  • Oracle alwzangry
    You call that low for 2.5 yoe and expect L5? That sounds like a reach and hiring managers are probably sensing it. From what I know of salaries in India, that much is the average after 5-10 yoe. Unless you're a prodigy who also has great soft skills, L5 should also need 8+ yoe. Figure out what you can learn. Move for learning opportunities instead of money alone. You'll commit career suicide if you move for money to a place where you can't keep up with technologies. Career progresses much slower than college - I'm not being sarcastic here. Pace yourself and see what's the long game you can play.
    Nov 2 14
    • Microsoft mhfhhdjs
      @Oracle it's just like the US market . Total compensation is expected to be around 1/3 rd of the US market . Now if there is a recession salary adjustments will be similar to US market adjustments . Why do you think it's different in India ?
      Nov 2
    • PayPal TC?
      Oracle are you in the engineering department?
      Nov 2
    • Oracle alwzangry
      Yes, and I have teams in India too.

      mhfhhdjs: 1/3rd sounds right. What 'distributed' said, "easily 55+" does not. L65 isn't even that high a grade level to make TC 90, but maybe there are a few expats in there who are still riding on their Redmond base.
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft distributed
      I started working after the last recession. I have worked in Microsoft IDC and Google India, and in both of the companies refreshers are guaranteed ( And Google's refreshers are way better than Microsoft). Not getting a refresher is as good as being put on PIP (or being managed out in Microsoft). I am not talking about expats here. TC have improved dramatically in India over the last 5 years. Just for your reference a sample L64 offer:
      https://www.teamblind.com/article/Evaluate-Microsoft-offer-for-L64-du4U2DOq.

      In both MS and Google (C)VP is a pretty senior post, there are only a handful of them worldwide. I have no idea about their compensation. I am not sure how much VP of startups earn in startups, but I have got offers from startups in Bangalore which can match my current compensation most of which is in cash.
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft mhfhhdjs
      55L base seems about right for L65 in Microsoft . TC 90L+ is L65 range . Startups will offer more cash component for similar roles .
      Nov 2
  • Microsoft / Eng
    YOiW43

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    That's your will man, I told you cause I can relate what you are talking about. All these people, who would say you should not move to US would move to US instantly if given a chance. You would get 35 TC in India if you really perform well given the year of experience you have (every company is not like Amazon). Amazon will never hire you back on L5 until you are going to FAANG or MS and you will have to spend min one year in that company before coming back or you will be down leveled to L4 again. In US at L5 base is 150k plus I am assuming you will get new stocks on promotion so you will easily make around 190k to 200k. Now you do the math. Now coming to judging part, if you are not able to find the answer for this question on your own. Then while coming back to amazon, convincing them is not your cup of tea. For a record: I moved from amazon 2 years ago and will be joining amazon Vancouver soon.
    Nov 2 5
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      I think you are wrong here. In my org, I see people from tier 3 companies with about 3 YOE getting hired as L5.

      Regarding the 35 TC figure I am not exactly sure if that can happen, my teammates, who got promoted this quarter even they are getting 24 TC with no stocks, so I don't think it's achievable so easily.
      Even one of the recently promoted teammate of mine left Amazon because of this reason. The manager didn't change his compensation even when his counteroffer was more than 2x.

      I can't move outside of India because of my family conditions, so maximizing TC in India is the only solution for me.
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft mhfhhdjs
      Just FYI I have friends with 2.5 YOE who were offered nearly 50 as TC and 30+ as base in Amazon. No they aren't prodigy just regular SWE's.
      Nov 2
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      @mhfhhdjs from Microsoft?
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      YOiW43

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      At Amazon base for L5 is capped at 30 so 30 plus not possible. Can you tell the break down of TC?
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft mhfhhdjs
      No, my friend was not from Microsoft and he also had 35+ as TC before and several competing offers with 45+ LPA (Extremely cash heavy) . Amazon base is not capped at 30L for SDE2. Every year there is a market adjustment that said my friend's base is slightly above 30.

      @YoiW43 Amazon comp is pretty known with 5/15/40/40 as stocks and joining bonus for 2 years to compensate for stock . Don't want to reveal exact TC details for anonymity but base is definitely 30+
      Nov 2
  • Microsoft / Eng
    YOiW43

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    Lol, if you can not figure out a reason on your own to give to the hiring manager, I do not think you are even fit to crack these interviews. And believe me coming back to Amazon for you will be alot difficult than getting promoted. Looking at your greed, I know definitely would want to come back to Amazon after 6 months but they won't take you back. Plus all your friends will move to US by that time and you will making ๐Ÿฅœ compared to them and will be regretting your decision. From someone who was in same position as you are now but looked at the long term picture.
    Nov 2 5
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      So what do you suggest?
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      YOiW43

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      Stay, get promoted and move to US. Everyone of your friend will be offered same compansation at L5 in Seattle. You only care about money and big money is not in India, it's in US.
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft mhfhhdjs
      I don't suggest OP to change companies but saying that money is big only is US is very subjective . With PPP in mind money in India is not bad . Around 33% of what would be paid in US for equaivalent levels
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      YOiW43

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      YOiW43more
      He is single. Has 2.5 years of experience. Can save alot in US. Considering the type of question he asked, I do not think, he can touch those high bands in India that you are mentioning.
      Nov 2
    • Microsoft mhfhhdjs
      Why not ? I am not suggesting OP not to relocate but ๐Ÿ’ฐ might not be primary reason , I am pretty sure if OP is able to crack other tech companies technical interviews then he can very easily expect 40L+ salaries
      Nov 2
  • PayPal TC?
    What's the TC for L5 ?
    Nov 2 5
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      For external hires atleast 40 LPA.
      Nov 2
    • PayPal TC?
      Damn that's too much diff. As your current tc is 20 L how long will it take for you to reach that if you wait for promo?
      Nov 2
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      For promo 1 year, and after promo about 2 years. So I would be lagging behind my L5 peers in compensation by about 3 years.
      Nov 2
    • PayPal TC?
      Makes sense. But why do you want to join Amazon after 6 months? Why don't you join other high paying startups ?
      Nov 2
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      6 months was hyperbole, I would want to join at a later point in my career.
      Nov 2
  • Google nvmcnsb
    Iโ€™m with you OP. Been through this shit in the US and after two promo attempts and no promo, I just left to work at G.

    If youโ€™d like to go back as L5, make sure you donโ€™t burn any bridges. Amazon is used to having folks leave after a very short period there, so they hopefully wonโ€™t hold it against you.
    Nov 2 2
    • Amazon / Eng moreTC
      OP
      Your L4-L5 promo got rejected?
      Nov 2
    • Google nvmcnsb
      Yup, itโ€™s fairly common apparently.
      Nov 2
  • Amazon / IT MrRobo
    Just say you are going to work on a startup with your friends. Since this is an early period of your career you want to give it a try.
    Nov 2 0
  • Amazon / Eng moreTC
    OP
    Yes, YOiW43 is riding on his high horse and is very rude. I don't know how is he able to judge so much from a single question. Maybe reflecting his own insecurities?
    Nov 2 0

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