Leaving too much on the table with offer?

Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
Oct 28 23 Comments

SWE2 61 @ Microsoft
4 YOE
First was given a shitty offer, 128k base, 40k stock, 10k sign on.

Asked them for 135k base, 120k stock, 25k sign on. They didn't blink, didn't ask for competing offer. Took them one week to get a verbal offer to me after onsite. Then only gave me 1 week to decide.

Recuiter basically said that if they were to revise the offer it would be the final offer and would I be willing to accept it. I said yes just to see if they would go with it. Only negotiated once really. Am I leaving too much on the table?

Would I need a competing offer to push it to the next level? Maybe 140k base, 150k stock, and 50k sign on? Or just ask without one? Seems like the hiring manager really likes me, he even gave me his business card as I walked out.

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TOP 23 Comments
  • Symantec GoRams
    Greed is good
    Oct 28 0
  • Microsoft papacloud
    At 135k you might be at the top of the band. I think 153k is the top of the band for 62.
    Oct 28 9
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
      OP
      Weally? Intewesting
      Oct 28
    • Microsoft papacloud
      r and w keys swapped ? Or being an asshole ?
      Oct 28
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
      OP
      Just being cute
      Oct 28
    • Schlumberger IpIe15
      Why is it better to come in at 62 with the same salary? I am coming in at 62 with a little higher salary with 3.5 YOE. If he comes in at 61 he can get promoted to 62 quickly which will result in a higher base right? Just wanted to know why L62 with same salary would be better than L61?
      Oct 29
    • Microsoft papacloud
      I don't want to discourage the other person who I think has a very good deal as well. At MSFT, cross-band promos are generally difficult. These are transitions from 62 to 63 ( senior ) or 64-65 ( principal ) etc. So when people join, even in ideal cases where there's work for delivering the exact impact is lined up, it takes atleast a year for getting promoted for new hires. Also it's a thing here that a lot of people do move around after their first year because they discover a better team, cooler product etc to work on. Some veterans say the second job you have at Microsoft is more likely going to be your " Microsoft Job". The second promo, with a new team and a difficult band, will usually take at least two years. Long story short, level transitions at Microsoft are probably easier than some other places but back to back promos are not easy and the second one will take a while to happen.
      Oct 29
  • Citrix Systems / Eng ಅವನೌನ ಹಡಾ
    What’s your offer !after negotiation
    Oct 28 4
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
      OP
      As stated it's the 135k, 120k, 25k offer right now.
      Oct 28
    • Brightcove moosepuck
      And that was your counter to their first offer right?.. I think you dun goofed. When you negotiate your first counter should always be a bit more than what you would be comfortable settling for. It sounds like they matched your counter (which rarely happens unless your counter was below their target) but either way idk how you’re going to convince them that they should give you a better offer than what YOU asked for.
      Oct 28
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
      OP
      I did some research and found that an offer like this would be above average for most 61. Didn't want to risk going too far. Was shocked that they went with it at all. I wasn't originally interested before, but now I am. Now I'm second guessing if there was actually more.
      Oct 28
    • Brightcove moosepuck
      There likely was. They called your counter. If you counter again I bet they’d be surprised. If you were in their position what would you think? I’d be worried that the negotiations would never end and the candidate would keep asking for more.
      Oct 28
  • Microsoft apic
    When I got my return new grad offer from msft, my recruiter made it clear that they only negotiate once.
    Oct 28 2
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
      OP
      Did you even ask for more after?
      Oct 28
    • Microsoft apic
      No, felt risky to try again.
      Oct 28
  • Google swinglyf
    They got you. They know it’s a nice raise, and you got no counter offers.
    Oct 28 1
    • Northrop Grumman / Eng sad-panda
      OP
      I feel so exposed
      Oct 28
  • Microsoft micrusade1
    It's done man, you fucked up. You should have asked this on Blind before countering. Now, there is no more room for another round of negotiation. But, it's fine. Enjoy at Microsoft. Cheers.
    Oct 29 0
  • Glassdoor ffff.
    You already agreed to it and now you're trying to renegotiate ? this is not gonna end well for you my friend
    Oct 28 0

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