Liberal bias in SF and Silicon Valley

Salesforce icedcoffee
May 16, 2018 59 Comments

I don’t feel that politics should be part of work life but it seems that after this last election it’s difficult to escape. As a closeted republican, of course it’s hard living and working in SF. If you’re in the same boat as me, do you bite your tongue or speak your mind? Do you feel like it’s assumed that you’re in one camp or another?

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  • Facebook Nrxifefjbe
    Stay in the closet, don’t want your opinions.
    May 16, 2018 17
    • New TFyr86
      The “tolerant left” everyone
      May 16, 2018
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      OP
      Hooliganss google classic liberalism... it’s not “liberal” at all
      May 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      @icedcoffee “Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom.”

      ?
      May 16, 2018
    • Uber / Eng nkhgdh
      It’s called classic liberalism because it was the original.
      May 17, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      hellomom

      Google Eng

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      hellomommore
      You sound like a libertarian. You must love Peter Thiel
      May 25, 2018
  • CareerBuilder AgnewsHead
    Politics is a part of everything. It is logically impossible for politics not to be a part of work life or anything else (sports, religion, etc)
    May 16, 2018 17
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Hooliganssmore
      No, this is not complicated. By being religiously driven and being a decent person, you’re saying that’s a violation. But being a decent person without being religious is just fine.

      That makes upholding your standard impossible because you can’t make out if someone is religiously driven being a decent person or not.
      May 16, 2018
    • CareerBuilder AgnewsHead
      No, I'm not saying that. Being a decent person doesn't come into play.
      May 16, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      So how do you actually know if someone is being religiously driven or not in their decision making?
      May 16, 2018
    • CareerBuilder AgnewsHead
      There's an entire field of psychology dedicated to this general topic. Some people...
      May 16, 2018
    • Micron OlzH43
      Regarding your response to my last comment: I made the assumption you were responding to OP (as most would) with the intended statement that what he is currently experiencing has been happening for a long time (contentious point of this whole dialogue). If I am mistaken, then the only other obvious message of your post is that politics is everywhere (to which I would argue alongside you, albeit more geared towards philosophy). If the latter, then you didn't clarify in your following discussion very well.
      May 16, 2018
  • Salesforce icedcoffee
    OP
    Ok. Well I’m definitely not far right. And I don’t want to change anybody’s mind. I just think everyone’s opinions should matter. If you’re going to preach inclusiveness, it should be applied to everyone... including those who have different perspectives than you.
    May 16, 2018 3
    • Salesforce H57ffgF1
      I agree somewhat. There are conservative opinions I openly agree with, and ones that I am vehemently opposed to. Since most of the conservative viewpoint on social issues boils down to "Bible says this so you have to do this", you can't expect much support.
      May 16, 2018
    • Apple Kugdbhfhjb
      When you say everyone's opinion matters, I would ask what is the quality of those opinions? Those Nazis with tiki torches had opinions too. And that debate was settled nearly a century ago. So if your political opinions are reasonable, you'll find that people will be willing to hear you out.
      May 16, 2018
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      OP
      I’ve been shushed for saying I that I didn’t vote for Hillary. I’ve been shushed for pushing back on illegal immigration. I’ve been shushed, maybe not at work, but by other San Franciscans, for not being liberal. So if (about) half the country isn’t reasonable, then I don’t know. I don’t agree with nazis and tiki torches, but I am not going to shush them. I may not listen to them, but I would never deny someone’s right to free speech. That being said, my brief theories of how trump may actually be doing some good is far from Charlottesville. It’s just that the left tends to only hear racism and bigotry. That is a shame.
      May 16, 2018
  • Hired secret_use
    It’s kind of terrifying to think about how companies are becoming so powerful and diminishing peoples rights to the point that it becomes necessary to forgo the First Amendment for what is probably one of its primary goals (freedom of political discourse). Of course it’s always wise to be tactful and discuss issues in a way that fits with the environment (i.e. probably not the best idea to discuss wedge issues or issues that are likely to be highly personal or offensive to someone, good to figure out where the individuals you are speaking to stand). But generally, I think there is a bad ethos in work environments in America that imposes certain norms that are harmful to the general wellbeing of society
    May 16, 2018 2
    • Hired secret_use
      Being a conservative doesn’t mean everything you say is hate speech, that’s such a backwards claim to make
      May 16, 2018
    • Hired secret_use
      Sure, but I doubt those people are smart enough to work in FANG
      May 16, 2018
  • BigCommerce Hizzo
    Fwiw I’m with you OP... I don’t discuss politics at work at all. We’re all there to get shit done, and the business doesn’t hire nor pay us to debate these issues.

    Still go out for happy hour, etc, but there’s so many other less combative and emotional things to talk about. Most people who enter “the arena” when the topic comes up in work-chat already have their minds made up. It is a waste of time. Stay on common ground at work. Just my 2c.
    May 16, 2018 3
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      OP
      The most rational comment. Thank you so much. I have spoken too much at work with a small group who enjoys to debate.... developers are mouthy sometimes. And i think it’s best to cool it. I just wish I didn’t have to feel closeted on a grander scale.
      May 16, 2018
    • BigCommerce Hizzo
      Outside of work you don’t have to feel that way, but I understand why you would. You can do and say whatever you please outside of the workplace.
      May 17, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      hellomom

      Google Eng

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      hellomommore
      Self control, op. Make friends and be productive at work. You can debate your liberal friends outside of work, when there's no consequences of them hating you for a couple days after a debate.
      May 25, 2018
  • Apple metafor
    Though I’m not a republican, I’m more centrist than most liberals. I don’t really hold my tongue but I also don’t speak in absolutes. I find that helpful in any discussion and generally results in discussion rather than disagreement. And you’d be surprised how much supposed liberals actually agree with traditional republicans values, especially those in tech
    May 16, 2018 1
    • Uber DAmZP3
      But they thought they are liberals. They just fake ones.
      May 16, 2018
  • New Dorky9
    most tech folks i know are social liberals and fiscal conservatives
    May 16, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng
      hellomom

      Google Eng

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      hellomommore
      So....Libertarian?
      May 25, 2018
  • Apple MAGA2014
    Speak your mind. But speak to them face-to- face. And don’t forget basic human decency. And empathy. And that humans are crazy weird, each one’s mind a “bulb of dread and dream”. Speak, mi amigo, speak.
    May 16, 2018 0
  • Facebook public
    Reality has a well known liberal bias.
    May 16, 2018 0
  • Sirius XM Jd0swKf
    People rarely change their mind on things. You may give them an aha moment every once in a while by sharing a perspective that they didn’t consider but it seems like most people can’t internalize that info enough to shift their own opinion. I usually change the subject when politics come up or let people make assumptions about my stance without correcting them because I don’t really care if they know what I really think on politics, but I also don’t engage or encourage those discussions so I can keep from being their go-to person when they want to talk politics.
    May 16, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    DirTSanchz

    Amazon Eng

    BIO
    Old school geek, father of 3, bike commuter, martial artist, libtard, Java sucks but everything else is worse
    DirTSanchzmore
    It depends. Are you a conservative with actual values? I have several of those as friends and value their opinion.
    Or are you a supporter of the current administration? In that case hiding probably makes more sense
    May 16, 2018 3
  • Facebook Lleoiww
    What are your opinions?
    May 16, 2018 0

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