Lost my job

Amazon AKPd5
May 3 80 Comments

Hey guys. I was put on PIP and I’m looking for a job. Can someone please help me? I am an SDE with experience in React, NodeJS, AWS. Thanks.

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  • Honeywell that1guy
    Sorry, but you’re asking for referral due to losing job from poor performance. Why should anyone refer you? Maybe you should go to a smaller company, learn more, get more experience and work hard.
    May 311
    • Glassdoor ufddfu
      Honeywell - kicking a man while he's down,
      You disgust me
      May 3
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Honeywell, you realize that being on PIP does not necessarily mean that your performance is bad right?
      May 3
    • Glassdoor ufddfu
      Glassdoor is all AWS and React if you want
      May 3
    • Honeywell that1guy
      Pip = Performance Improvement Plan
      May 3
    • Honeywell that1guy
      I’m not trying to be a dick. And maybe it was a crappy thing for amazon to do. I’m simply stating that perhaps you’d excel more at a smaller company.
      The last thing you want is to go to another big company and get on PIP again.
      May 3
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Ufddfu, I’ll DM you. Thanks a ton
      May 3
    • Capital One BeastM0DE
      @honeywell the level of competition at Amazon is really high and there are a ton of factors that could lead to a PIP completely unrelated to the engineer (e.g.politics, manager poor performance/communication, etc). Capital One is not even a tech company, but they are trying to emulate the culture and I see it here all the time. I am sure OP has a ton of better options, but I would gladly give a referral.
      May 4
    • Microsoft Next?
      @Honeywell - While your sentiment is reasonable, PIP-equals-bad-engineer is some times debatable in a high performing team, specially at Amazon. Op is just asking for an interview so that they have a job. I'd encourage you to read up on empathy!
      May 4
    • Amazon Db8db4
      I will rephrase Honeywell's point: aside from looking for referrals also take an honest look why you ended up at the bottom. It is good to retrospect on those points and try to fix it or realign your career towards your strong points. It's possible it was a team mismatch, but without looking in you might repeat same mistakes. Good luck!
      May 4
    • Honeywell that1guy
      Thank you @amazon much more eloquent than I
      May 4
  • Internet Brands backspace
    What the hell is PIP? And how it works?
    May 315
    • Amazon bCxp50
      Typically one month, yes.
      May 4
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      One month is too short.
      May 4
    • Amazon bCxp50
      That's because the PIP comes in two phases. The first phase (dev list) can last months, and is much easier to survive. The formal PIP is the terminal phase where they've all but decided to fire you (you're offered a severance before the formal PIP).
      May 4
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      It’s two months in my case
      May 4
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      How long were you in the Dev List? Another 2 months?
      May 4
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Yep
      May 4
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      I was not even informed that I was in dev list
      May 4
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      Scary. Very bad culture. Did you take severance or just were let go?
      May 4
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      I appealed manager’s decision and lost.
      May 17
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Apparently, if I won the appeal, the manager would be put on pivot.
      May 17
  • Google uzaname
    Start your own independent AWS implementation consulting
    May 30
  • New arch135
    Tag companies you would like to apply for and ask for referrals.. btw what’s the criteria in amazon for putting someone on PIP
    May 33
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      They stack rank employees every year. Bottom 10% gets fired. That’s my understanding
      May 3
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      How long do they keep in Dev list? And how long in PIP?
      May 3
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      2 months each
      May 4
  • LinkedIn tar-cfz
    I learned by watching PIPped coworkers that you want to just take the severance and go away (at a previous place)
    May 31
    • AnchorFree Israel
      I just learned what is severance googling it, thank you :) . I'm like a baby on this forum, googling TC, PIP, "are the quoted compensation ranges on teamblind true or fake and mystification" loool :D

      Do all big companies offer severance packages? What it should be usually, a 1-2 months of pay?
      May 4
  • Uber ipoMoneys
    Ping me if you are interested in Uber.
    May 35
    • Internet Brands backspace
      Don’t grill the guy on top of LC hard while he is desperate.
      May 3
    • Glassdoor ufddfu
      OP you're a SWE don't settle to be a driver 😂
      May 3
    • Don’t hit a glassdoor either
      May 4
    • Amazon 22/7
      Yes, Uber will probably ask a LC DP question over DM.
      May 4
    • Eat your banana
      May 4
  • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
    OP, did you get any severance? One of my friend in Seattle is currently in Dev List. How long do you think he has before getting fired?
    May 39
    • Amazon bCxp50
      30-90 days on the dev list. 30 days on the PIP. They offer a severance in lieu of a PIP, and it's usually the better option (a lot more money than you'd make in one month, outside of certain edge cases).
      May 4
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      Thanks
      May 4
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      How much is the severance?
      May 4
    • Amazon bCxp50
      There's a formula. I don't know it off-hand, but it's based on two variables: base salary and years of service.

      I would honestly recommend taking the severance. It's incredibly difficult to survive a formal PIP--and even if you do, you're then stuck on a team or under a manager that doesn't want you, which then in turn means you'll need to attempt a transfer with a less-than-ideal performance record.
      May 4
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      Totally makes sense
      May 4
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      3 months salary
      May 6
    • Microsoft @8gt:4()$n
      Not bad
      May 6
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      What is it at Microsoft
      May 6
    • Microsoft @8gt:4()$n
      2 week's pay per 1 year of service, with max cap being set to 39 weeks. Minimum is 2 months pay.
      May 6
  • Microsoft Next?
    Hang in there man, market is super hot. Not at Microsoft anymore
    May 32
    • New hei518
      Where are you?
      May 3
    • New hei518
      I was asking the msft person lol
      May 3
  • Microsoft TheNoid
    Lots of React/Angular positions at Microsoft.
    May 31
    • Rally Health PWcK47
      Wow lots is bit overreach
      May 3
  • New young$$
    Canadian citizen? Leetcode, get offer and move cross border!
    May 42
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Canadian permanent resident
      May 4
    • New young$$
      DM me if you are interested in working in remote teams for US startups. Office is a couple blocks away from TELUS garden.
      May 4
  • Amazon AKPd5
    OP
    I’m in Vancouver but I can move to Toronto
    May 31
    • Microsoft €£dz3@"&5s
      Then at least you don't need to worry about getting out of status.
      May 3
  • Microsoft hackeddd
    Sf area?
    May 31
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Vancouver
      May 3
  • New BcDM68
    PM me, my team is hiring at NYC
    May 50
  • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
    OP, what did you do?
    May 173
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Still looking for jobs. Appealed manager’s decision but I failed
      May 17
    • Microsoft vxefcdrvsw
      Wish you all the best. Still at Amazon? Are you on visa?
      May 17
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Thanks. Yep. Undergoing PIP. I have a PR
      May 17
  • Microsoft Blissey
    Can you work in the US?
    May 31
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      I can’t. I’m a permanent resident in Canada
      May 4
  • Facebook TgvS35
    Pm for FB
    May 31
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Thanks TgvS35
      May 3
  • Panasonic Avionics Vaseline
    Ouch, sorry to hear. Amazon sounds like a tough culture
    May 31
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      It sure is
      May 3
  • Internet Brands backspace
    Sorry to hear that. Best of luck, I am sure you will get some referrals here. I wish I could :(
    May 31
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Thank you
      May 3
  • Oracle Elana
    If you find anything that you like in Oracle- DM me
    May 31
    • Amazon AKPd5
      OP
      Thanks a ton Elana.
      May 3
  • Uber fvDA28
    Hey OP, sorry to hear about that. Uber has an office in Toronto so if you are interested in jobs there, DM me
    May 60
  • Amazon AKPd5
    OP
    Can someone please refer me to MSFT
    May 30

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