Serious post. I have gone through all old posts I could find. Need some fresh perspective. Hope you can help me here.

I have competitive offers from both with Lyft leading by a margin. Offer is no longer the deciding factor for me.

1. Which company has long term growth prospects for a PM in the infra side?
2. Better work life balance. Pre ipo, so I don't expect to rest, but hope not to be pulling 50-60hr/w regularly.

Former Uber employees said that the tech stack was a mess in 2017. How is it now? How about Lyft?

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  • UberAVXK52
    I'm on infra. The tech stack is much much better than it was last year. Things are much more platform based or on a roadmap to be platformized.

    Personally I think Uber has the most opportunity for a PM. The scale and the different industries we're in pose a lot of interesting problems
    Jun 80
  • Answer these simple questions and find out yourself.
    1) Do you like coping or innovating?
    2) Bing or Google?
    3) Ride sharing or Mobility platform?
    4) No IPO plans or well defined IPO strategy
    5) No annual refreshers vs good annual refreshers
    6) Lyft credit vs Uber credits (yes, you can buy food with it's through ubereats)
    7) US centric vs global

    I think it's a simple choice overall but you need to do your own research about the team and see which one you like the most.

    Clearly with Infra Uber needs a lot more work to support these massive businesses like Rides, Eats, Frieght, ATG, Jump etc

    Work life balance is team dependent.
    Jun 83
    • UberAVXK52
      I think 4 isn't really valid. From what I hear they're still planning to IPO. We probably just don't know about their IPO strategy
      Jun 8
    • Redditj73k7b
      Might want to lay off the kool aid a bit xD
      Jun 8
    • Man you killed Lyft in 7 lines. Well said.
      Jun 8
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    • AbbottTKDD78
      Why is ATG bad for PM?
      Jun 8
  • Uber / Engnkidwt
    For PM role, the clear winner is Uber. At Lyft you’re going to be following so it’s not a good place to be career-wise. At Uber we also have an impressive tech stack for helping PMs test hypotheses and run experiments that is without parallel in industry.

    Regarding tech stack being a mess, it’s fine on infra now. Marketplace is hit and miss, but there are a bunch of engineers there now dedicated to refactoring it and architecting solutions to handle the next 5+ years of growth for all businesses (ridesharing, eats, freight, elevate etc. The tech stack at Lyft is a mess too according to several comments I’ve seen from Lyft engineers too.

    Lyft’s product lead, Tali, is almost universally reviled.

    You should also read this article that digs into Lyft’s product culture:

    https://www.theinformation.com/articles/how-lyfts-missteps-killed-its-chances-of-overtaking-uber
    Jun 81
    • Agree with your general perspective but when it comes to experimentation we are not even close to the level of infra at FB (have worked at both )
      Jun 8
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    • FacebookzaJo52OP
      How easy/hard is it to switch teams or even roles?
      Jun 8
    • Uberstephc
      Switching teams is pretty straightforward and documented process now where you current team has no say in it. Fake bag seems like a disgruntled ex-employee.
      Jun 8
  • Lyfthgbbi
    TBH both companies are mediocre.
    Jun 80
  • LyftCOOGIE
    Why leave FB?

    Lyft is great for PM if you land on the right team. Great WLB vs Uber based on what I’ve heard from friends there. What level are you?
    Jun 82
    • FacebookzaJo52OP
      I will be coming in at a FB 5 / UBER 5a
      Jun 8
    • FacebookzaJo52OP
      FB has grown too big too quick where work is less fun and more red tape.
      Jun 8
  • Uber / Engbag
    Uber.

    Work life balance would be much better at Uber compared to Lyft based on my understanding. And there are a lot more challenging problems to solve based on the breadth of the products that we have.
    Jun 80
  • Lyftd83jq
    Lyft has more financial upside. Uber’s much higher valuation more than captures their market share lead
    Jun 814
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      That’s not how valuations work. They are about estimated discounted cash flows (or a sum of parts). By your argument any smaller company is going to get a valuation bump simply on account of being smaller.

      Lyft’s valuation right now is essentially bounded by growth in the US ridesharing market only. You’re making very little progress in your “international” expansion in Canada. You also have no other markets to grow (like eats and freight and elevate). Lyft is still basically a one trick one market pony.
      Jun 9
    • Lyfthgbbi
      Lyft did not expand internationally because it knows Uber is #2 in all international markets, and there's not much money in being #3.
      Jun 9
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      #2 in all markets. Lol.

      #1 in India, Latin America (Mexico, Brazil, etc), Africa, Australia, Europe and the Middle East. We once were #2 in the Middle East and India, but we now have a narrow majority share. We were number #3 in China, Russia and Southeast Asia.

      If there is no sense in being number #3, then Lyft has no international markets to try and expand into except Canada.
      Jun 9
    • Lyftfrxd02
      Uber is #1 in India? Not Ola?
      Jun 9
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      Yup
      Jun 9
    • Uberstephc
      There was also a recent article mentioning that both Uber and Lyft may be overestimating the remaining growth of the US market in the short term. Consumers getting rid of car ownership *will* happen, but potentially no time soon. That will put Lyft’s valuation at risk, how will you explain to investors that your growth has stalled from your sole focus on the US?
      Jun 10
    • Lyftfrxd02
      Time will tell. Why waste time arguing?
      Jun 10
    • Uber / Engnkidwt
      For the sake of making sure others reading this thread that we are not only a promising company to join but the more promising company in our market to join. It’s good for us and good for the people who are better informed in their decision when looking for work (including current Lyft employees). Right now, some people are misinformed and I’d like to correct that.
      Jun 10
    • LyftPPGuru
      To summarize for both arguers, choose Lyft.
      Jun 12
    • Uber / Engbag
      Choose Uber.

      Please can you add that to your summarization? ;)
      Jun 15
  • UberOn
    I interviewed at both and the cultures seem very distinct. Uber’s scale appealed to me, given my particular focus. I’ve not been disappointed by the growth and momentum. There’s lot of energy, and some feeling of a new and common cause (Uber 2.0), under a great public company CEO. It’s the defining company of its generation; so why not be part of the story while you still can? Lyft is great if you can own a big piece of the product.
    Jun 80
  • FacebookUuhb
    If culture is a criteria, I’ve heard Lyft PM culture is closer to FB than Uber. Also, can you share your offers? Am also interviewing with Lyft for 5.
    Jun 155
    • Uber / Engbag
      Lot of Ex-FB and Ex-Google folks in the PM rank at Uber. (Just like in Engg)

      Head of Rider product is Peter Deng and Head of Driver product (just moved) is Daniel Danker; both are from Facebook. There are many others as well like Blake Ross (FB), Brandon Trew (Goog), Tom Fallows (Goog), Manik Gupta (Goog, Head of product), Michael Weiss Malik (Goog), .... list goes on and on.

      The scale of problems that Uber is solving is much bigger than Lyft.
      Jun 15
    • FacebookUuhb
      FB dodged a bullet with Danker. Good riddance.
      Jun 15
    • Uber / Engbag
      Oh he is not good? What are his shortcomings?
      Jun 15
    • FacebookUuhb
      You will know in about 6 months
      Jun 15
    • Uuhb, spill the details about Danker
      Jun 21

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