Lyft vs uber

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Euler

Apple Eng

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2 b or ! 2b
Eulermore
Jun 20, 2018 128 Comments

I have an offer from Lyft - don’t have numbers yet ; but also have upcoming interviews with uber. I had a phone screen with uber a couple of years ago and got a very bad vibe - (brogrammer culture, unethical , etc) . Subsequent news about uber just reinforced that vibe. On the other hand , had a much more positive impression at Lyft.

If the Lyft numbers are strong enough I would be inclined to just cancel the uber interviews.

Is this a good, bad idea?

TC: 330 , Yoe: 8

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TOP 128 Comments
  • Uber lamJ33
    Lyft has peaked and is in big trouble going forward. Time to join was 2-3 years ago, not so much now
    Jun 20, 2018 9
    • Apple / Eng
      Euler

      Apple Eng

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      Eulermore
      OP
      I don’t see what moat uber has though. In the end its purely based on which ride is cheaper and probably a little more convenient. If Lyfts in the ball park , how does Uber’s valuation threaten Lyft?
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber lamJ33
      There’s definitely a network moat at play, and any dominant multinational TNC can achieve profitability in other LOBs and markets and plow those earnings into a never ending subsidy war with a minor 1-country player in their home market until that player runs out of money. Why haven’t other ride hail companies besides Uber and Lyft been successful if there’s no moat?
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Euler

      Apple Eng

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      Eulermore
      OP
      I don’t think it’s network, more like inertia . Also to your second point, Mostly because of capital- there’s a significant capital cost to getting a ride share business going . And there def are other successes in other countries such as Didi , ola etc. What’s stopping Lyft from copying eats etc?
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber lamJ33
      The same thing that stops them from launching other countries (Toronto and ottowa withstanding), network effects are very large and to try and buy even a few points of market share is incredibly capital intensive and may not even work. Look at the current landscape and ask why Lyft hasn’t launched in Mexico or the UK, or why they haven’t tried to copy eats like they copy everything else, or why Juno, Via, Gett, all failed or why RideAustin and Fasten failed as soon as Uber and Lyft came back into Austin TX... list goes on and on, there’s a formidable moat. Wild card is autonomous vehicles but those have been very very hyped and will not be a meaningful portion of the rideshare pie anytime soon
      Jun 20, 2018
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  • Apple / Eng
    Euler

    Apple Eng

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    Eulermore
    OP
    Man Lyft is getting massacred by uber - Lyft folks any dissenting opinions on your end ?
    Jun 20, 2018 10
    • Lyft / Eng
      Flash⚡️

      Lyft Eng

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      Flash⚡️more
      Lol let these Uber folks drink cool aid. What matters is who makes profit quarter end 😉
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Uber / Eng zcbjoge
      How’s that going, Flash? Lyft has moved away from profitability for two quarters in a row now, while we’ve moved closer.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Lyft / Eng
      Flash⚡️

      Lyft Eng

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      Flash⚡️more
      Lol. I hope your real life isn’t as closed, Bay Area can be a lonely place 😉
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Uber / Eng zcbjoge
      I’m sorry. Did the truth hurt?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Uber On
      Alright everyone BE COOL. OP - I interviewed and joined recently and found the people to be the strongest among all the companies I interviewed with, including FB and Lyft. Definitely worth a look. I liked Lyft as well but very different culture — why not try to have both options? Culture IS different than many companies but not necessarily negative — just very decentralized and requires self-starting nature... that’s my impression so far anyway.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Uber L81926hjl
    Ex-Uber. Had interviewed at Lyft as well.

    Because I was in the space where a check on competition was required, I can tell you for a fact - Lyft is a def no.
    Lyft is Uninspiring, dull, unambitious. It’s business exists because of Uber. Lyft’s founders are just a bunch of guys who want people to carpool. (Read about their past businesses.) Their success is thanks to Uber’s success and Uber’s un-caring attitude.

    Even during the worst of 2017, Lyft was the competitor that we were least worried about.
    Jun 20, 2018 4
    • Apple / Eng
      Euler

      Apple Eng

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      Eulermore
      OP
      What made you leave uber?
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber L81926hjl
      The new opportunity, commute, pay in that order
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Google Smoogle
      What company if you don’t mind to share?
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Oracle Oh well!
      Where are you working right now ?
      Jun 20, 2018
  • Uber
    KnkG84

    Uber

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    KnkG84more
    I interviewed with Uber 4 years ago as well and got a negative vibe - not so much about bro culture, but about bad work-life balance. When I interviewed earlier this year, it was obvious that things have changed a lot. One of the big things people are asked to do is collaborate and not be a hero and try to save the world. The ethics problem IMO is behind us, Dara is a very strong leader and not afraid to take stands to do the right thing.

    Give Uber a shot. Interview. You'll find that it's a very different place.

    I have 8 yoe as well, TC about 220 + 880k paper money (not for long) over 4 years.
    Jun 20, 2018 12
    • Uber Bagbagb
      @knkg84 it's definitely getting better overall. We've made a commitment to improve internal mobility, but that is still a work in progress. Again, just take a bad one and you are done. We still don't have good checks and balances.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber / Eng phfsjit
      $220 at 5a?!
      Jun 20, 2018
    • LinkedIn
      Hi🐷

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      Hi🐷more
      Thanks KnkG84 for the insight. Your wlb is better than mine actually, hours wise.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber ppodktn
      220 for 5a is way outside the norm unless you've included target bonus and whatnot?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Uber / Eng zcbjoge
      Yeah. 220 is a high 5b base
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Uber stockguru
    Bad idea. Interview with Uber anyway and then decide.

    Copy pasting from my last post

    Answer these simple questions and find out yourself.
    1) Do you like coping or innovating?
    2) Bing or Google?
    3) Ride sharing or Mobility platform?
    4) No IPO plans or well defined IPO strategy
    5) No annual refreshers vs good annual refreshers
    6) Lyft credit vs Uber credits (yes, you can buy food with it's through ubereats)
    7) US centric vs global

    I think it's a simple choice overall but you need to do your own research about the team and see which one you like the most.

    Uber needs a lot more work to support these massive businesses like Rides, Eats, Frieght, ATG, Jump etc
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Google Smoogle
    Had a very positive experience with Uber, definitely in my top 5. Everyone was nice and they didn’t ask leetcode questions. All of the sessions were more about system design and covered different areas. So definitely enjoyed it. I would give it a try.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Pinterest betcha
    I'm in the opposite camp. I have an offer from Uber and Lyft reached out. I met the hiring manager and found them very uninspiring and got the feeling that they don't have even some of the basics figured out.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • New WepL64
    Lyft is better, I think
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Twitter zUwB37
    Why not try for both and negotiate? If the Uber offer is better it could help you get better numbers from Lyft.
    Jun 20, 2018 3
    • Apple / Eng
      Euler

      Apple Eng

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      Eulermore
      OP
      That’s what I am thinking, but I am finding it hard to be enthusiastic about uber . I am not a good actor and assuming I did well on the technical, I am afraid they will ding me on the cultural fit. Secondly, I get the impression uber is so huge right now , that I would be just another cog. Lyft seems to have more upside but also more risk.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber U75
      Dont worry about culture fit. We are moving away from Uber 1.0. This means if you feel uncomfortable with the culture a few years back, so do we. Welcome to interview, and it may help you make a better decision, even if your choice is Lyft, you will be more confident and informed with your decision.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber Bagbagb
      Let's separate out our external PR efforts and the reality. Our culture is still bad. It's just better than the catastrophically bad culture we had. In some cases, it isn't all an improvement. Now you have more sociopaths who hide their feelings, are better at politics, and are still pricks. They are just stealthy pricks.

      Bigger question is whether Lyft's gains are our expense in 2017 will sustain and if Lyft can continue to grow share.

      Companies with terrible work cultures can be very successful - see Amazon.
      Jun 20, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Atrous

    New Eng

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    Atrousmore
    Does anyone else feel like all these anti-Lyft arguments are the same, and are reinforced internally at Uber?
    Jun 20, 2018 2
    • Uber L81926hjl
      Not reinforced if it’s true.
      Also, read up about the companies, their businesses in an unbiased sense. You’ll know why.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Lyft / Eng
      Flash⚡️

      Lyft Eng

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      Flash⚡️more
      Lol this is too much 😂
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Lyft Toktok
    I love the passion here.
    Bottom line, Lyft has gained share all of 2017. Still gaining share in 2018, and will continue to gain share as we speed things up.
    Uber has lost their lead economists, their lead executives. They can’t even hire a CFO. Uber’s grow-fast strategy failed and in every market that they were challenged they exited.
    The only good thing they kinda do is Eats.
    Finally, coming in now will get you maybe 2x if Uber does well in the year or two post IPO.
    For Lyft, with current valuation, 3-4x?
    We are just getting started.
    Jun 21, 2018 12
    • Uber am no one
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-06/general-motors-president-leaves-lyft-s-board-picks-replacement. If 1.9b is your Q2 number, you’re delusional that you’re gaining shares
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Google Smoogle
      What countries do you expect to be profitable say in 2-3 years? Only us and Brazil comes to mind
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Lyft Toktok
      None of the claims I’ve made are wrong. You either have an explanation (international sells) or ignoring the claim (no CFO, lost lead economists).
      Note that I also said Eat is a good part of Uber. So no disagreements there.
      Enjoy.
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Uber PA93
      Smoogle - US, all of LatAm including Mexico, Europe (London is hugely profitable), Middle East.
      Jun 26, 2018
    • Lyft Toktok
      Yes. Not everything is bad, not everything at Lyft is good. You still failed in global dominance and were forced to exit competitive markets.
      Jun 26, 2018
  • Uber FLOh38
    I moved to Uber from Google last year after Dara was appointed. I didn't interview at Lyft because they are only in US and lesser number of businesses. I personally don't see how they would catchup with Uber in Long term.

    I have personally found Uber culture to be good, can still be improved engineering wise. All I would say is don't base your decisions on media info alone. Interview and ask around. The problems mentioned in media wrt Uber happen in lot of places but TK was an idiot in this regard and let it get out of hand.

    These are my views and not of anyone else. YMMV.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng
    Euler

    Apple Eng

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    Eulermore
    OP
    Uber bros you make some good points, but ride sharing doesn’t seem to have a moat. In the end , lowest price generally wins - it seems a lot like the airline business to me; And there’s plenty of space for more than one ☝️ player; if uber valuation is at 120b and Lyft at 11b then there’s lot more upside at Lyft. I think Uber’s rising valuation actually helps Lyft. CMV 🤔.
    Jun 20, 2018 6
    • Uber lamJ33
      🤷‍♂️ follow your gut, but do a little research if you actually think there’s greater market cap upside at a company with 1 LOB in 1 country and is a distant 2nd at it with no path to profitability. Best of luck!
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber Bagbagb
      Amazon didn't initially have a moat, but Jeff Bezos is special. We could end up at Expedia or Bookings. Hard to say. Lyft's valuation is lower and in theory they can increase it.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      Euler

      Apple Eng

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      Eulermore
      OP
      It would be interesting to know if lyfts growing. If it’s growth has stalled then it would def be worth far less.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber Ballerina
      Post deleteUber in early 2017, Lyft’s growth is in lockstep with Uber’s growth in the US, which shows how incredibly risky that company is. If the US market slows, and there is already articles that state that both companies may be overemphasizing future US growth (no car ownership etc), Uber has 70+ countries and other business verticals to offset the growth. Lyft does not.
      Jun 20, 2018
    • Uber On
      WHY LYFT: Upside, you like the people, smaller.

      WHY UBER: It’s the most important tech company since FB. And It’s pretty cool to work for a global brand that powers livelihood for more people than any other organization except the Chinese Army. (Obviously you know the upside of global nature from Apple).

      If Lyft TC is 50K+ of Uber (which it very well might be), go with Lyft. Else; Uber.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Lyft / Eng
    🚀👏‌

    Lyft Eng

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    🚀👏‌more
    Financials aside Uber is a superior engineering organization. Lyft code is hacks on top of hacks and leaders have no clue how to run a software organization. L5 might be different. Luc knows his shit
    Jun 20, 2018 1
    • New / Eng
      Atrous

      New Eng

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      Atrousmore
      Does L5 have any all stars or ex-G/Waymo/DARPA challenge folks?
      Jun 20, 2018
  • Uber CJGW63
    Bar is higher at Uber but if you can make it - it's a no brainier.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • New Aon
    I wouldn't bother interviewing if you're not feeling it. Lyft is where it's at imo.
    Also even if i didnt already have negative opinions on Uber from friends who work/worked there, the way Uber bros flock en masse to shit on Lyft whenever possible would turn me off pretty fast.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Uber / Mgmt
    TeamJedi

    Uber Mgmt

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    TeamJedimore
    Lyft’s goal in life is to slow down Uber. They just said at a conference last week is that they are still working on ways to use “#deleteuber” and push out more negative news about uber. I think Lyft is so caught up in Uber that they are missing out on how to be different. Uber now has great values and great leaders. So they can’t use that any more. It’s like the Houston Rockets. Their number one goal was to beat the warriors. They got close but it didn’t work. They needed to find different strengths and use it. That is why Uber has so much more value. Future growth is huge at Uber. Eats, Freight, Bikes, Middle East, South America, Elevate. Uber is like Amazon. Soon Uber will take over all aspects of ground transportation.
    Jun 22, 2018 1
    • Lyft / Eng thingsand
      yeah lyft definitely did not say that at a conference. actually we have been very consistent about the message, and that’s that deleteuber has nothing to do with lyft as a business. i agree uber is cleaning up but just stopping misinformation. it’s possible to have multiple competitors in a space with no ill will towards each other. personally i applaud uber as it seems like internally y’all are cleaning up
      Jun 23, 2018
  • Oracle Oh well!
    If I were you, I’ll not go with Lyft.
    Jun 20, 2018 1
    • Apple / Eng
      Euler

      Apple Eng

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      Eulermore
      OP
      Why ?
      Jun 20, 2018
  • Lyft hgbbi
    Lyft is a big company with all the politics and bullshit of big companies.
    Uber is way bigger.

    The laws of physics are universal and make no exceptions: size equals bullshit.
    Jun 20, 2018 0
  • Lyft has no eats and global footprint. You will be a fool to join lyft.
    Jun 20, 2018 9
    • Lol “no eats”. So quick to defend a business line that’s burning money and is getting its shit pushed in by doordash.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Uber L81926hjl
      Oh yeah? You know more than us, ha? So naïve
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Lyft frxd02
      👆you sounded very bitter and unhappy. Uber must treat you harshly
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Uber lamJ33
      Lmao, Lyft’s entire company is a “business line that’s burning money”. Eats is growing like crazy and has a path to profitability, Lyft has no options beyond perpetually raising money, or getting acquired. Hopefully you guys don’t have a long lockup on your RSUs
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Snapchat Lollerine
      Reading this thread is depressing. Hey at least both companies are growing well, treats employees well, and is a good place to work (in terms of projects, teammates, eng culture, work life balance...).

      ... unlike other companies who went public last year.

      If anything, this is probably like the Intel vs AMD comparison.
      Oct 13, 2018