ML masters worth it or not?

Wayfair sookdis
Aug 18 47 Comments

should i do some self-study or take a masters to break into ML? ive always been more interested in the research side of things rather than the productionalization of software, but i dont want to get stuck in academia. i also really enjoy working with math (even tho stats is bs, thats a diff story tho). I dont mind becoming an MLE either but i dont know how to break in from SWE. maybe its startup
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  • Google 7456
    Irony of calling stats bs when you want to do ML
    Aug 18 20
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      Because I feel like most people are moving to the P-quant world. It seems we’ve hit a major stopping point with the analytical side of things. I don’t want to be left in the dust, and I don’t consider myself a mathematical prodigy like Tao to actually achieve a major breakthrough in analytical studies.
      Aug 18
    • Google 7456
      If you are dealing with larger data, DL is indeed more flexible and performance takes longer to plateau. I do see your dilemma clearer now. Thanks for explaining.
      Aug 18
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      Yes and thank you! Lots of insight, much appreciated. What do you think the best course of action for me is?
      Aug 18
    • Google 7456
      I would leverage the science background to find ML roles and build projects to establish credentials. Studying from ESL and Goodfellow will take you a long way for starters. That is the most cost efficient approach.
      Aug 18
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      TYVM!
      Aug 18
  • NVIDIA bdei51
    ML is a subject of stats and CS. If you think stats is all about confidence intervals I agree with Google.
    Aug 18 14
    • Google 7456
      I have some connections but am personally an outsider (former quant, studied math & stats and did some ML)...
      Aug 18
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      Wow nice! Are you a SWE there? What do you mean by outsider
      Aug 18
    • Google ehjcer
      I'm a SWE at Brain and I spend my time doing novel ML research: designing and building models in TF, running experiments, interpreting the results, writing papers, etc.
      Aug 18
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      That’s so cool. I hope to one day be there.
      Aug 18
    • NVIDIA bdei51
      @7456 what's your TC and yoe if you don't mind? Just collecting some datapoints here
      Aug 18
  • Square / Eng jrigse
    Don't worry. From your comments above I am sure you won't get stuck in academia.
    Aug 18 1
  • IBM UhYT28
    If you think stats is BS, you're probably very far from being qualified for any serious ML work. I'd guess that you in particular need at least a masters, or equivalent online education (which should include plenty of statistics)
    Aug 18 1
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      I’ve studied stats... up to SVM, time series analysis, some basic neural nets, pca, and as well as the quantum model, stat therm models (Boltzmann, Einstein, etc). The math part of them is quite intuitive. The stats not so much.

      I can do statistics. How stats is being used is bullshit.
      Aug 18
  • Google macropolo
    It depends on how good you are. The more you can accomplish on your own, the less you need formal degrees. Obviously, given how crowded the field is now, it's harder to stand out, so you'll have to make that call
    Aug 18 0
  • D. E. Shaw & Co. / IT qOverflow
    If you want to compare universities based on their ML research publications, you can check this link:
    http://csrankings.org/#/index?mlmining
    Aug 18 2
    • D. E. Shaw & Co. / IT qOverflow
      For those who don't want to bother opening the link.
      Aug 18
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      Thank you! CMU has always been a goal of mine, but I’ve been eyeing MIT since I’m in boston now. Does MIT have a good part time/online program?
      Aug 18
  • Facebook Grungypk
    Wayfair - I believe the comments in this thread are coming from a good place. It would be worth your while to spend some time to learn about the "stats bs" - seriously.
    Aug 18 1
    • Wayfair sookdis
      OP
      Ok, thank you, I appreciate it. I am currently studying Andrew Ng’s course.

      Maybe I phrased it badly, I meant that I don’t want to be like one of the fake ass scientists who spew out bullshit studies in the name of science and use flawed statistical models to assert their confidence in their results.
      Aug 18
  • Zoox / Eng VyGO67
    If you don't want to get a PhD get ready to get rejected for MLE roles. It's tough out there rn
    Aug 18 0