MS -> Amzn ?

Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
Sep 21, 2018 90 Comments

MS 65 -> L6 SDM
YOE: over 15 years , a few being manager, topish performer today.
Family with small kid.
MS TC: ~ 330k assuming decent performance over the next 4 years (TC includes benefits as taken from the “modeler tool” )

At MS I am not doing anything “super” interesting.

Amzn: high 300s TC

Thoughts on switching ? Heard is all the horror stories but willing to take a chance and try / learn something new. Scared of not being able to interview my way back into MS (not great at leetcode)

Commute time will increase from 12 mins to 40 mins one way.

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  • Amazon faceeater
    Don’t
    Sep 21, 2018 6
    • Microsoft ying
      Don't do it. Ohh, just don't.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon Jm22
      DONT!!!
      Sep 21, 2018
    • eBay CountNow
      Wow! People don't really like working at Amazon.
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Microsoft fhvde
      Amazon -> MS here. Don't. You will hate your life and pass on your family all together. Try Google or FB of you want fang
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      Hate more than @Amazon?
      Sep 22, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng DesperateM
    You will regret it and end up crying in the bathroom
    Sep 21, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      :) dang that bad ?
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Yeah don't... Trust me... If u value your lifestyle and peace of mind
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Facebook move slow
    Not worth it. If it’s not 30%+ bump, don’t. Also when you evaluate Amazon TC against MSFT’s, substract at least 15k for the lack of ESPP, 401k, healthcare, fitness, and added parking. Substract another 30k for emotional loss, added commute time, and loss of family time. Go figure.
    Sep 21, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Thanks for the comment.

      Most attracted at getting hands on machine learning / computer vision exp.

      Treating this as going to “grad school”
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      Emotional loss? 😄😄
      Do you want a tissue?
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon
      BeffJezos!

      Amazon

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      BeffJezos!more
      ^ another stellar demonstration of why u shouldnt come to amzn
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Ops MILQ08
    Family with small kid?

    Absolutely not. Amazon eats families.
    Sep 21, 2018 7
    • Amazon Mbappe
      Add full ownership as well
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Good insight.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Ops MILQ08
      OP, there are NO cushy jobs at Amazon. My boss and skip level pull the same long hours as the rest of the team, in addition to crazy stress from multiple escalations and high level meetings that they’re ultimately responsible for. Why would they get paid more to do less work?

      Up to you how much you value spending time with your kids as they grow up. Note that the average Amazonian is gone in 14 months so most never collect more than 5% of the promises RSU’s.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Ops MILQ08
      Find another job at Microsoft if you want more diversity of experience. Come to Amazon if you hate the idea of watching your kids grow up.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Thanks for the comment

      I will say that my current job isn’t cushy but I don’t spend as many hours as I do as the ICs. There is stress but most likely not the same level of stress as you get from amazon
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Uber pofk
    Sounds like you should, and want to try. Just keep in mind Amazon's "try" is >3 yes because of shitty vesting
    Sep 21, 2018 0
  • Intel !GPTW
    Not worth it
    Sep 21, 2018 0
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    Oh my God, youre going to triple your commute time for a tiny raise. Easy to get l66 as sdm and +100k more (at least) at ms. I have a few friends at Amazon, very hard to get promo, especially to l7+ and most leave before they even get their full initial package. Lots of Amazon folks telling you not to do it. I'd listen to them.
    Sep 21, 2018 11
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      21 businesses doing the same shit.
      Diversity isn’t how many “businesses” you have internally but what market segments and customers you are reaching
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      I don’t get the pee by my desk reference? Some inside microsoftie joke?
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      onMyWay

      Amazon Eng

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      onMyWaymore
      It’s a reference to supposed FC workers peeing in bottles.
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Again, talking out your azz son. I've worked on firmware and device bring up for new devices both consumer and enterprise, the networking stack for windows, high availability streaming audio, react js web front ends and scalable backend for consumer services, service fabric architecture, and optimizing performance for windows and SQL. That's pretty much the full market and customer spectrum and the full technology spectrum as well.
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      Your listing technologies not market segments or customers

      I’ve done all the above for a single product, what’s the point?
      Sep 22, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    onMyWay

    Amazon Eng

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    onMyWaymore
    Please no more microsofties, we have our fair share. Isn’t there a Microsoft bonus that is designed to keep people from coming here?
    Sep 21, 2018 3
    • Microsoft sourinho
      Become a hiring manager and start rejecting msft applicants.. if you can't do that, just shut up, eat a banana a day and put up.. things you don't like are going to happen..
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      onMyWay

      Amazon Eng

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      onMyWaymore
      The bonus is clearly not doing its job. Please enhance and try again.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      LPs filter put most MSFT crap tho
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Microsoft Qebbmmm
    A culture of slavery
    Sep 21, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      Yes please don’t come
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng SenoritaWE
    Someone I know just started working for AWS and he tells me the 12-13 hour days are killing him.
    Sep 21, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      we love the new tears and sweat of microsofties.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng SenoritaWE
      No he did not come from MS
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Dupper
      Oh well we love tears anyway. Amazon runs on the tears of our employeees
      Sep 22, 2018
  • What's the Amazon TC? High $300k can be anything from $370k to $399k.
    Sep 22, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Lower end of that Right range you gave
      Sep 22, 2018
  • New shrekt
    Commute differential is only reason I would hesitate. Can you ride bus or are you gonna drive?
    Sep 21, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Going to drive. Need to drop kid at day Care
      Sep 22, 2018
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    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      what role are you in ? How much more are you working now ? 20% 30% ?
      Sep 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng jNeo42
    If you are not appreciating your Microsoft tenure like you used to, then a detour to Amazon might be worthwhile. Either you’ll recall MS more fondly and seek to go back, or you’ll think that the chapter has closed and there’s no going back. A 3rd option is that you could go either way, and if this happens then you probably need to think about your career and why you’re even doing it. I left a different world in NYC non-tech companies to come to Amazon Seattle for big tech. I’m ready to go back, though I might try another tech company here before I do. If I have the patience for it, because WA state in general is even weirder than Twin Peaks had suggested.
    Sep 24, 2018 0
  • Amazon azmix
    I’m confused with what you want to learn. As an SDM your primary role is not to guide technical design but rather manage your team, people’s growth, and execution. Technology is irrelevant as you wouldn’t have much time to code yourself. This sounds like the same job with a slightly higher pay that may push your potential promotion out by more years than it would take you to slot for 66 at Microsoft. I’d say stay at Microsoft unless you come in at and with a scope of L7.
    Sep 22, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Qebbmmm
    Amazon benefit is a shit
    Sep 21, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Dupper
    Where in amzn?
    Sep 21, 2018 0
  • Amazon YbChkk
    You need to remove benefits (~35K$) from TC comparison. You will like/dislike based on team.you will learn a lot and even different non technical things ex:LP,narrative writing.Good to have diverse experience.I did it!
    Sep 21, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Thank you for your input.

      Why remove he benefits ?
      MICROSOFT pays for medical , amazon doesn’t :(
      Espp
      401k match all pretty significant
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Amazon YbChkk
      Well I was paying around 100$ and now 230ish per month in benefit deduction.401K is 1% difference from company contribution (4% vs 6% max and half of it contributed by company), not sure if you say it significant. ESPP was not that a huge difference too.Commute is a problem though for sure.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft Moon.
      Microsoft matches 50% of your 401k contributions which you can max and so Microsoft will pay as much as $9250 if you max
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      401k match from MS gives me around ~9000

      Medical , maximum out of pocket is around 3750 worst case versus amazon 9000 for family
      Sep 21, 2018
  • CA Technologies 99994
    Location ? Microsoft tc break down ?
    Sep 21, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Seattle

      As an example , next year
      Base: 180 ish
      Stock unvested:~ 50 to 60k
      New stock assume I do ok: 30 to 40k
      Bonus assume ok perf: 30 to 45 k
      Benefits: ~35k ( health , 401k, espp, pro club :) )
      Sep 21, 2018
    • New / Eng
      ChickenAtt

      New Eng

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      ChickenAttmore
      do people always count benefits towards TC?
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Not always but it is money I’d have to pay otherwise
      Sep 22, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product Kemw
      You have very less stock granted to you
      Sep 22, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Ms67897

    Microsoft Eng

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    Ms67897more
    Isn't your current comp at Microsoft quite low at L65? That too when you're including benefits and high performer.
    Sep 21, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      Which part is low ? Base ? Stock ? Bonus ? All ? :)
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Ms67897

      Microsoft Eng

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      Ms67897more
      I was just looking at total. I just reached L64 few months ago and my total it about 290k now without counting any benefits.
      Sep 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng rvnN27
      OP
      What’s your break out ?
      Sep 21, 2018

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