MS 65 -> L6 SDM
YOE: over 15 years , a few being manager, topish performer today.
Family with small kid.
MS TC: ~ 330k assuming decent performance over the next 4 years (TC includes benefits as taken from the “modeler tool” )
At MS I am not doing anything “super” interesting.
Amzn: high 300s TC
Thoughts on switching ? Heard is all the horror stories but willing to take a chance and try / learn something new. Scared of not being able to interview my way back into MS (not great at leetcode)
Commute time will increase from 12 mins to 40 mins one way.
MS 65 -> L6 SDM
- Facebook move slowNot worth it. If it’s not 30%+ bump, don’t. Also when you evaluate Amazon TC against MSFT’s, substract at least 15k for the lack of ESPP, 401k, healthcare, fitness, and added parking. Substract another 30k for emotional loss, added commute time, and loss of family time. Go figure.
- OP, there are NO cushy jobs at Amazon. My boss and skip level pull the same long hours as the rest of the team, in addition to crazy stress from multiple escalations and high level meetings that they’re ultimately responsible for. Why would they get paid more to do less work?
Up to you how much you value spending time with your kids as they grow up. Note that the average Amazonian is gone in 14 months so most never collect more than 5% of the promises RSU’s.
- Oh my God, youre going to triple your commute time for a tiny raise. Easy to get l66 as sdm and +100k more (at least) at ms. I have a few friends at Amazon, very hard to get promo, especially to l7+ and most leave before they even get their full initial package. Lots of Amazon folks telling you not to do it. I'd listen to them.
- Again, talking out your azz son. I've worked on firmware and device bring up for new devices both consumer and enterprise, the networking stack for windows, high availability streaming audio, react js web front ends and scalable backend for consumer services, service fabric architecture, and optimizing performance for windows and SQL. That's pretty much the full market and customer spectrum and the full technology spectrum as well.
- Please no more microsofties, we have our fair share. Isn’t there a Microsoft bonus that is designed to keep people from coming here?
- Someone I know just started working for AWS and he tells me the 12-13 hour days are killing him.
- New shrektCommute differential is only reason I would hesitate. Can you ride bus or are you gonna drive?
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- Amazon / Eng jNeo42If you are not appreciating your Microsoft tenure like you used to, then a detour to Amazon might be worthwhile. Either you’ll recall MS more fondly and seek to go back, or you’ll think that the chapter has closed and there’s no going back. A 3rd option is that you could go either way, and if this happens then you probably need to think about your career and why you’re even doing it. I left a different world in NYC non-tech companies to come to Amazon Seattle for big tech. I’m ready to go back, though I might try another tech company here before I do. If I have the patience for it, because WA state in general is even weirder than Twin Peaks had suggested.
- Amazon azmixI’m confused with what you want to learn. As an SDM your primary role is not to guide technical design but rather manage your team, people’s growth, and execution. Technology is irrelevant as you wouldn’t have much time to code yourself. This sounds like the same job with a slightly higher pay that may push your potential promotion out by more years than it would take you to slot for 66 at Microsoft. I’d say stay at Microsoft unless you come in at and with a scope of L7.
- You need to remove benefits (~35K$) from TC comparison. You will like/dislike based on team.you will learn a lot and even different non technical things ex:LP,narrative writing.Good to have diverse experience.I did it!
- Well I was paying around 100$ and now 230ish per month in benefit deduction.401K is 1% difference from company contribution (4% vs 6% max and half of it contributed by company), not sure if you say it significant. ESPP was not that a huge difference too.Commute is a problem though for sure.
- Isn't your current comp at Microsoft quite low at L65? That too when you're including benefits and high performer.