MS in Cs( Stanford, MIT, CMU etc.) Vs L1 Transfer (Amazon, Google )

ION Group
CuriousBoy

ION Group

BIO
I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
CuriousBoymore
Jun 9 43 Comments

Hi I am earning good enough salary as a software developer in India
Tc : 18 lpa
Yoe: 2 years.
I want to know wether it is worth to do MS from Stanford, CMU etc. Or better to get into Amazon / Google and then take a transfer to Seattle/ MTV.

Given : I am not from a rich family , will have to take loan for MS.

comments

Want to comment? LOG IN or SIGN UP
TOP 43 Comments
  • Microsoft SatyaClaus
    Stanford grad here. If you can get in. Do it. At a tier 2 school take the job.

    Sounds elitist. It is. But having graduated 20 years ago, that degree has gotten me more jobs and interviews than I can count.

    These days a FAANG is what’s in fashion. It won’t always be that way. Having that credential will always be meaningful. Plus it’s more fun.
    Jun 9 3
    • Google L7@AWS
      Coding bootcamp grads who never went to a real college are getting FANG interviews these days. Did you get these interviews because of your degree or despite it?
      Jun 9
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      @L7 , I am confused due to the same reason, as more and more information is available on the internet , google, apple like companies are hiring based on skills instead of fancy degrees. So it makes no sense to get these fancy degrees unless you want to join google brain / deepmind etc.
      Jun 9
    • Indeed / Eng t6
      Dont think in terms of getting interviews or jobs. Think of IITian tag in India(I hear it's valued a lot). It's beyond jobs. When you want to get funded for startups VCs look at it, girls(unfortunately), recruiters and so on. Even if you get interview your pay at least during negotiations will be higher. Some east coast companies like top hedge funds, MBA programs put lot more weight into school. Tldr; school pedigree has life time benefits dont just think in terms of next job. Also alumni really root for each other, maybe less so in tech and more in business (but are you sure you will be tech forever?)
      Jun 9
  • Credit Karma tredknight
    This may be cliche but Stanford MIT has more value than FAANG. Plus, IIT + Stanford will be like your key forever in life. FAANG may start layoffs when recession happens, or you may get it but after certain level they may be hesitant to promote you. On other hand, in a longer run of life Stanford >> FAANG. If you go to start a startup, a Stanford and IIT alumni network itself will be enough to at least get initial funding! Think about it, FAANG are famous now, Carnegie Steel was famous back then but Stanford was always relevant unlike company's cycles.
    Jun 9 5
    • SolarWinds AnEngineer
      Most Stanford grads are working shoulder to shoulder with people who got no name bachelor's.

      I might agree with you for an MBA, but once you have a few years of experience where you got your CS degree is irrelevant.
      Jun 9
    • Credit Karma tredknight
      As I said, it's a long game. Now the market and economy is good. Once economy goes down the best will survive. And yes, I am outright stating the folks that got into Stanford are smart than no name Bachelor's people.
      But yes at OP level, it might make more sense to do an MBA but that's a separate topic, not everyone wants to do management and looking at OP I feel he wants to do more technical stuff. Also, startups have a soft corner for Stanford grads (FAANG is enough too but I think you would agree with me that Stanford >> FAANG).
      Jun 9
    • SolarWinds AnEngineer
      Agree to disagree. It sounds to me like your arrogance (and maybe significant college expenses that need to be justified?) are blinding you to the fact that only Stanford grads give a fuck if you graduated from Stanford but 🤷‍♂️
      Jun 9
    • Credit Karma tredknight
      I am not saying ONLY Stanford grads give a fuck but Stanford is a once in a lifetime unlike FAANG, it's a different experience and league. People join FAANG from no name companies by just leetcoding and 50% FAANG people are doing maintenance jobs. Also, you can break in FAANG at later age too, how many people go to Stanford or MIT in 30s and 40s? I am stating my opinion that money is not every thing, experience of MIT and Stanford is different than FAANG.
      https://web.mit.edu/facts/entrepreneurship.html - MIT alumni founded 30,000 companies and employed 4.6 million people. Do you think working at FAANG is everything and superior than MIT and Stanford?!
      Google was founded by Stanford grads, Bill Gates was dropout of Harvard (but at least he got into Harvard), Mark Zuckerberg Harvard, Jeff Bezoz from Princeton - tell me how many no name college grads have so successful companies?
      Jun 9
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      @Credit Karma I understand what you are trying to say. Your argument has some strong points, mainly what I take away from it is : If i am(3rd tier indian college) capable enough to work in same companies as a Stanford grad would , why not try to explore my true potential.
      Jun 10
  • SolarWinds AnEngineer
    If you're able to get the same jobs an MS CS would get you without one, why would you get one?
    Jun 9 1
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      Yeah , that is the source of confusion. I feel like one should do MS if they have a serious reason like getting involved in academia and researching on some futuristic tech like quantum computing , bci devices etc. Doing it just for a job at Google/ Amazon doesn't make sense to me as I can already get that Job in india.
      Jun 9
  • New $€£
    L1 transfer over MS.
    Jun 9 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    hhkk

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    hhkkmore
    I see many PhDs from top tier university work at same job level as a 21 year old undergrad...so, if you really want to do some break through innovation and build new algo, do cutting edge research , be a faculty go for a top tier university research Lab and you see most of the products were born in such research labs.. but if your goal is to be an SDE don’t waste time in ms/phd .. on the job experience more important for those roles (IMHO)
    Jun 9 3
    • SolarWinds AnEngineer
      Which products were born in research labs exactly?
      Jun 9
    • Amazon / Eng
      hhkk

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      hhkkmore
      I should say “technology” rather than “product” ..take a look at the technology developments in stanford research lab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International which has contributed to development of numerous products ...there are many other top tier university research labs with very good contributions to technology development track record .... some other examples are development of nuclear reactor at univ of chicago by enrico fermi, even lot of innovation/technology behind bose speakers happened in MIT Labs by Amar Bose
      Jun 9
    • Facebook ExPo20
      Apache spark was developed by AMP lab at Berkeley
      Jun 9
  • Oracle not_larry
    Industry experience >> academics
    Jun 9 0
  • Google / Product var A
    Where did you do your bachelors from, and how comprehensive was that degree?

    If you are from a REC or IIT, might just be good enough.

    Intuitively, MS is a solid investment for the long term- dont worry abt the loan. You starting salary’s first few months you can pay off everything !!

    Ps- how do u know u get those schools is another consideration
    Jun 9 1
    • Facebook / Data
      RScP24

      Facebook Data

      PRE
      Amazon
      RScP24more
      Well no, I am from IIT but struggled to get interview calls whenever I switch jobs in US. HRs here doesn't seem to know what IIT is. May be some of them do but not many.
      Jun 9
  • ION Group
    CuriousBoy

    ION Group

    BIO
    I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
    CuriousBoymore
    OP
    As I have always learnt everything on my own , I find it weird that I need to do a full time course to understand some technical concepts. I believe that you learn more when you work on actual projects at work when your code goes in production.
    Jun 9 0
  • Salesforce curious01
    TC : 43 lpa
    Yoe: 3 years
    Going to Gatech for MS CS
    Jul 11 3
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      Just curious , is that 43 fixed ? ;)
      Jul 11
    • Salesforce curious01
      It consists of stock appreciation and also stock refreshes as part of annual review
      Jul 11
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      Okay, still great TC for 3 yoe.
      Jul 11
  • Google OAoK43
    Don't waste your time getting a degree. Lot of opportunity cost.
    Jun 9 12
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      @curious1 my point is that it doesn't make sense to do Masters just for the sake of getting a job in US, that you can get through other modes as well. If someone is really interested in research and gaining knowledge , then it makes perfect sense .
      Jul 11
    • Salesforce curious01
      It's not just about the job.
      Masters can be a very good learning experience giving new perspectives and way of thinking. Also u get a different out of home country experience with Masters or Job.
      It is difficult to shift to US by other means once u have family. It's better to do when u r not yet married.

      Also, if u want to work in US due to financial benefits, then go for it instead of doing this roundabout way of L1 with lots of uncertainty.
      If it's ok either way - US or India, then it's fine to try the L1 options at Google Amazon
      Jul 11
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      How much is ms cs at Gorgria Tech going to cost you ?
      Jul 11
    • Salesforce curious01
      Cs at Gatech has high chance of TAships which give you tuition waiver plus stipend. Also, 3 month Summer internship generally pays around 8-10k$ per month. High chance it can turn out of be free. Fingers crossed !!

      Otherwise in worst case, it will cost 30 lakhs tuition fees per 3 sems and 10 lakhs living expenses for 3 sems. It's mandatory to complete the degree in 3 sems if you are not going to do a thesis.
      Jul 12
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      30 lakhs per 3 sem , you mean 30 lakhs for each sem = 90 lakhs or total 30 lakhs ? Because total 30 lakhs ain't that expensive.
      Jul 13
  • Facebook ExPo20
    If you want to specialize in ML and go for that at amazon/google then it might make sense.
    Jun 9 2
    • ION Group
      CuriousBoy

      ION Group

      BIO
      I love to learn new skills ! #Beatboxing #Juggling#BBoying
      CuriousBoymore
      OP
      Currently I am working at a foodtech company in India and we are solving a lot of challenging problems using ML . I can easily ask for that kind of work and get involved with ML/AI , impacting millions of people without any specialization in ML. Given that , does it still makes sense to go for MS for specializing in Ml/deep learning ?
      Jun 9
    • Facebook ExPo20
      Yep, it absolutely does. The major difference I have seen as a manager is that people trained in theory are more innovative in practice. There is a cost benefit analysis too tho, getting a degree means opportunity cost of a job. All said and done, you’re only as good as the eyeballs you get. Every recruiter has a few seconds to look at you, that’s where a degree helps. If you can build a good referral network without that, that works too.
      Jun 9
  • Hitachi Vantara whfhs
    School is a trap
    Jun 9 0
  • LeanTaaS ♥️ data
    L1A or L1B?
    Jun 9 0