MS or look more?

Expedia / Eng conbro
Aug 22, 2018 274 Comments

I work in Expedia Chicago. I have an offer from MS (TC $240, base $155, L63 SWE). YoE 10. I am scheduled to join in a month. After seeing the posts in Blind I am rethinking my decision. I have few recruiters contact me from Salesforce and other local tech companies. Should I look around or take the job at MS?

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  • Progress / Eng
    NullRef-

    Progress Eng

    PRE
    Nokia, Microsoft
    NullRef-more
    I've seen a lot of horrible advice on here.
    Aug 22, 2018 8
    • Facebook / Eng
      Easy Going

      Facebook Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      Easy Goingmore
      @NullRefEx, since when does MSFT encourage moving around? You've got to do a full interview loop to move or has that changed?

      Plus if you fail to get an offer then a lot of times your current manager will write you off as no longer committed to the team. You're also required to let your current manager know before you interview so there's no way to keep it secret either.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft Klmnopq
      All this interview process has changed significantly - only 3 interviews and you don’t need to let your manager know
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Thatiswhy

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Thatiswhymore
      Easy Going, you have old information. Satya changed it like 3-4 years ago.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft Icy gf
      Not for Azure networking. They still screwing people
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      Nobody knows even a negative interview result. In fact, after new team sends you a formal offer and you accept, they explicitly ask you if it's ok to notify your present boss.

      That said, HR is still there and still makes dumb policies. I.e. if you were officially checked with "insufficient results" by your manager, you cannot move.
      Aug 24, 2018
  • McAfee Bhoomi
    Don't blindly follow Blind.. Check what is ur % hike u got n move
    Aug 22, 2018 7
    • Microsoft XwhV27
      Your expenses are a fraction of your TC, so that's fine.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      No state income tax! Saves about $7k (5%)!
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Amazon Rod11
      Whats exactly ur current tc
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Current TC $164k, base $135k
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Facebook bfcc
      Remember to account for fed tax in you TC hike vs Expense hike.
      Aug 28, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng
    mahmoney

    Facebook Eng

    BIO
    Just surviving!
    mahmoneymore
    Don't go to Salesforce lol it's not a tech company
    Aug 23, 2018 8
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Hence the name Salesforce... 😂
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng
      mahmoney

      Facebook Eng

      BIO
      Just surviving!
      mahmoneymore
      The only upside is that you can work 2 hrs a day hahaha. I did an internship there and hated it though, it's the worst place to be if you're motivated.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Goo᠎gle
      Salesforce is a marketing and sales company, Amazon and eBay are retailers, Google and Facebook are intelligence agencies with an advertising front, Apple is an appliances company. Microsoft is the only true technology company.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Salesforce / Other
      I like

      Salesforce Other

      PRE
      Tesla Motors
      BIO
      I love Marc benioff
      I likemore
      Can confirm. We only have like 2000 to 3000 engineers. Company is doing really well though because our product is still better than msft’s. That’s why it sells.
      Aug 28, 2018
    • Salesforce Sroopy
      Take the ms role
      Sep 6, 2018
  • Microsoft CWEx00
    Don’t listen to Blind
    Aug 22, 2018 4
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Well...
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Glassdoor laytvnm
      That's an oxymoron
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Azure 101
      ^
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Twitter Root-user
      ^^
      Aug 23, 2018
  • Microsoft Icemachnw
    Ms can be toxic depending on your managers. Managers are given an outsized amount of power over your happiness. Personally I cannot recommend the place after moving here myself. We have lost our sense of collegiality. It’s not entirely unlikely that you will get caught up in one of the monthly RIFs after moving and committing to the place. There are a lot of evil managers around who do not have your interests top of mind, they have their own and their boss’ interests as the top priority. Think carefully before taking the risk, because it’s an odd duck for sure.
    Aug 22, 2018 5
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Total BS. So much in this post just flat out trolling. I have several friends that have gone to Amazon specifically and they've all mentioned the lack of comaradery compared to Ms as something they miss. You will find the occasional bad manager in msft (or any other company) but the vast majority I've seen are good. As far as being riffed, if you are an engineer and not in a weird group, the likelihood of that is very low. Way lower than getting pip or managed out of another big tech company.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft Icemachnw
      Not true, son, not true. As a manager I see it all the time. The smoke and mirrors prevent you from seeing the true evil that is happening behind the scenes. When a company only has high share products that are declining and low share products and features that are playing catch-up, you simply perfume the crap out of the garbage you have until you convince yourself and others that it’s not garbage.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Before you make more of an azz out of yourself you should know that I was a manager for 10+ years and have reported to some very high level people so probably know more of whats going on behind the scenes then you do. MS has 21 $B businesses, some of which are leading and others which aren't but that is more than any other tech company. They also spend more than nearly.any other company on pure research. They are positioned pretty well... for anything.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft Icemachnw
      Each of those 21 businesses are either trying to play catch up to the actual leaders in the space or declining in relevance and product innovation. We’ve lost the key technology segments of the next decade, despite our tenacious efforts to play catch up in each. Additionally, with your excellent experiences and education I would think you’d know the difference between the words then and than. Perhaps there are other gaps that you also don’t realize?
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Amazon reorgs
      Worked at MS and now work at amazon. Can confirm MS is WAY better than the soulless penny pinching hellscape that is amazon.
      Aug 23, 2018
  • Amazon Peccy🐕
    At least you won't get bedbugs at MS
    Aug 22, 2018 7
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Wow! This is a very recent incident. Wondering how you know about it. 🤔
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Amazon Peccy🐕
      Because people talk. Nothing on the internet is actually private. But enjoy your paranoia
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Expedia eYYw48
      That was one time... hopefully that person works somewhere else lol
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia qazwsx13
      Take MS, we both know its not getting better. Are you originally OWW or Expe transplant to Chi?
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Not oww.
      Aug 23, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Thatiswhy

    Microsoft Eng

    BIO
    Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
    Thatiswhymore
    Your offer looks great to me. Even if you pass Google interview, they may give you SDE2 which will have similar compensation. Your compensation will be on par or more than existing level 64 engineers. Your offer looks very strong to me.

    You may want to be prepared for culture shock here. I know people in Chicago are much more laid back, nice, social and chatty. Here, people will work with more intensity, are harder to make friends with, and don’t talk much. You will find people here are in general smarter and work better whether it be government office or contractor for your house.

    Demographics is very interesting. At Microsoft, most of software engineers will be Indians with some Chinese and Eastern Europeans. Unless you are in Windows, there will be hardly any Americans. In fact, I have seen more Canadian engineers or Russians. There are a ton of Asian food here. American food in general will be inferior quality than Chicago. You will hardly fond any African Americans here. There are more Africans than African Americans :) Unlike Chicago, there are not many people whose parents lived here. I barely met people whose grandparents lived in WA. Most of local people’s parents or grandparents were immigrants. Lots of people’s parents came from Norway, Russia and Japan. This dynamics creates very interesting culture. My dental assistant told me her daughter who lives in Chicago was shocked to see so many Asian people here.

    Due to sheer amount of immigrants, there are so many jobs for non engineers here. That is because usually immigrants background is primarily on engineering and their spouse tend to not have jobs if they didn’t study in engineering. Due to this, there is shortage everywhere. Speaking English and not worrying about visa can get her a job.

    Also note that schools here are very strong. Eastside which is across from Seattle has five cities adjacent each other. Redmond, Kirkland, Bellevue, Sammamish, Issaquah all have great schools. Very hard to find bad schools in this area. There are two high schools ranked top 50 nationally as well. Most of neighbors will work at either Microsoft, Amazon or Boeing. Pro is you can talk about nerd geeky topics all day long. Con is people will only talk about tech. Sports is secondary topic and people in general are not enthusiastic about sports or music.

    You will find parents here focus on math and science a lot. Issaquah school district is behind Lake Washington and Bellevue however its smart balance test score averages 80% while national average is 50%. I was amazed how smart and well educated preschool kids were here. If you kid is smart or focussed on academics, he will thrive. People send kids to lots of private lessons. To get into gifted program, it is usually 93% in other regions. Here your kid needs to score 98% in like all of six tests.

    Chicago has much better museums and historical structures. Here, there are mountains all over the place. Driving can be dangerous due to this and rainy weather. Traveling is fun. If you drive 3 hours east, completely different nature as it approaches Rocky mountains area. 3 hours to Vancouver or 4.5 hours to the best ski resort in Whistler. Portland is not bad either.

    Overall my friends who moved from Chicago had cultural shock and miss some of Chicago but they never want to go back because it feels Chicago is heading towards Detroit way eventually while Seattle feels like growing forever. Seattle has pretty much all of engineering office from all big companies or hot start ups. If you are in cloud or virtual reality, this is much bigger than bay area. In fact all of cloud is here. Housing price is still half of bay area so you can maintain lifestyle you had in Chicago (little less due to housing price difference).
    Aug 23, 2018 3
    • Uber Promotion
      Well said, although public schools in wa are often inferior to those around good neighborhoods in Chicago. College options are also better there.
      But overall seattle beats Chicago hands down for engineers.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Nothing8
      best answer.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      This is an awesome awesome comment! Thank you so much!!!
      Aug 24, 2018
  • Google frust-noo
    Dont be blinded by blind. Microsoft is doing some kickass work(Azure) etc. If work aligns with your interests no harm giving it a shot. Microsoft is still solid top tier company along side FANG and some unicorns. L63 + is pretty respected and gets lot of autonomy in work.
    Aug 23, 2018 0
  • Lyft / Eng
    X86-64

    Lyft Eng

    BIO
    Tech
    X86-64more
    Microsoft is terrible for your career
    Aug 23, 2018 4
    • Microsoft MSFT HR
      So is a taxi company that is losing billions
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Microsoft has been awesome for my career. Must be doing it wrong homie.
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Lyft / Eng
      Dobang

      Lyft Eng

      BIO
      Tech
      Dobangmore
      ‘Msft hr’ lol the hr guy. How about being in an engineers shoes or stfu ;)
      Aug 27, 2018
    • Microsoft MSFT HR
      Hey douchebag, I’m actually a researcher at Microsoft which requires real intellect unlike being a code monkey on a shitty iOS app.
      Aug 27, 2018
  • Microsoft Cifw
    The things that recruiting didn’t tell me when I moved here were the softer things. Microsoft products are a bit embarrassing so don’t give you a lot of pride. Think about the list. Bing, HoloLens, Cortana, MSN, Dynamics, Windows Phone, Yammer, Skype. Not what you want shining on your resume. Yes we have large legacy products like Office and Windows, but both are on a declining path in terms of popularity and product leadership.

    Our research investment is large but results in very little.

    In terms of relevance with consumers such as retail stores, we’ve lost the game for at least the next decade. Even our heavily hyped O365 and Azure products for business are simply trying to hang on / play catch up with the hope of being protected by our enormously heavy PR and legal machines. Our best play is to buy companies like LinkedIn and do as little as possible to harm them. Kind of sad when your reputation is toxic.

    For me, it is more satisfying to work on products that are truly leaders, are growing in relevance, and you can have more pride in.

    Other subtle elements of the culture are also disappointing. The company wastes tons of money on events, treehouses, pet projects, and hiring people on one hand, and then RIFs people and their families almost every month on the other hand. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time the company proves that you and your commitment / service mean nothing to it. The RIFs happen quickly, and Microsoft works hard on the associated PR to stay out of the news if possible. The company is quick to show off how much it is helping people who are disabled or different but is even quicker to RIF its employees and take away their health insurance. Blind is where you get the real scoop.

    Also, the internal reorganizations are endless. Someone once told me that every single person moves desks on average once a year. It’s quite common to have 3 managers in 3 years, and 2 skip managers during the same time, as the place is so big. Most people care more about themselves than their teams or products or the company. This unfortunate reality is reflected in the products.

    You spend a lot of time dealing with red tape because the company is so huge, and you’re a disposable number at the end of the day. This can be extremely frustrating for those who are used to working at a 20k person company and not at a 120k person company.

    Transportation is quite bad. To afford a house here, which often is a million+ dollars, some people are commuting 90+ minutes one way which is stressful.

    Decent housing stock is difficult to find.

    It is gray and wet weather a lot from October to June and then dry and hot and sometimes hazy in the summer. Many houses and apartments don’t have air conditioning, so it can be unpleasant during the summer.

    The people in general aren’t as friendly as in the Midwest.

    Seattle is also getting dirty with a lot of visible trash, graffiti, and homeless people as Microsoft, Amazon, and the newer tech companies and their employees have focused mostly on enriching themselves and not the community and helping those around us in need. Notice how exited people are on Blind that there isn’t an income tax in Washington State, as if that is somehow helping them and not indirectly harming them or offset by other costs. It highlights the priority of enriching yourself and focusing on items that support that objective at any price.

    Additionally, I have a terrible management chain that I work for, which is not uncommon at Microsoft.

    My advice is not to commit too much to Microsoft and make sure you know what the options are for your next play after Microsoft on day 1. If you stay too long you’ll be stereotyped as a Microsoft employee which are a dime a dozen locally so you’d likely need to relocate or come up with a good story why you’re different and why a company like Amazon would benefit from you.

    As you can imagine I’m looking for an exit now, so maybe you can move into my spot if I can find something better! During my time at Microsoft I have evolved from an optimistic go-getter to a beaten down negative Nancy. Would try to avoid the path if possible.
    Aug 24, 2018 12
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      @WaterColor tell us more about your role and decision process.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Tango Health / Eng WaterColor
      I'm starting at L63 in Azure group Engg role. I din't have any other offer and I'm moving from NC.

      There wasn't any decision process as the offer and the $ made more sense than my current engagement.
      TC 200ish - a decent offer IMHO.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Thatiswhy

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Thatiswhymore
      Azure is the future. It is CEO’s baby and gets the push and support. They work the hardest but comp is the same as engineers in Windows who don’t do on call and work 30 hrs a week. Management is mostly Indians. While they are not bad, you have to deal with different management style. Basically speedy delivery over quality and new shiny features which no one will use over core functions with many dependencies.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Akamai Technologies Cnph41
      How is Indian management is different ?
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Salesforce Sroopy
      Punkbuster u r insane if u think ur work is more interesting than gcp
      Sep 6, 2018
  • Amazon WACC
    Chicago is a much better city, so that will suck.
    Aug 22, 2018 9
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Chicago is a hellhole compared to seattle. I lived in and around Chicago for many years growing up.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Amazon WACC
      Southside Chicago does suck.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Cabrene green (sp?) was my favorite. Windows and storefronts all shot out. You barrel azz through there, not stopping for lights or signs or anything else to avoid becoming another violent crime victim. Police dont care because they're too afraid to go in there. Crazy gang drive-bys and whatnot on south side too. Nothing even close here in Seattle or suburbs.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Expedia eYYw48
      Dude no one on here lives on the south side. Chicago is incredibly segregated. The south and west sides are basically a different city. It's terrible for those that have to live there but your experience won't be that at all
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia eYYw48
      Also cabrini green doesn't exist anymore. It's townhomes and shops
      Aug 23, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng VlCX25
    There are good teams at MSFT. Blind misrepresents that. Did you interview with the team that you joined? The interview was a two-way street. But yes, it’s very expensive to live here, and that’s one of the reasons I miss the Midwest.
    Aug 22, 2018 7
    • Microsoft / Eng VlCX25
      Don’t underestimate the benefits - health insurance isn’t what it used to be but you get $1K from MSFT for HSA, 50% match on pretax 401K up to max, StayFit, ESPP.... the list of benefits is a long and comprehensive one!
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Yeah the benefit is awesome!
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Its 2500 for hsa if you have a family.
      Aug 22, 2018
    • New OVzO14
      Plus your stock they give you at offer has faster vest cycle...you cannot go wrong with MSFT on resume....and once you accept get a relocation package they do provide them...but don't always offer them up. And in today's Microsoft salaries are kept behind the "doors" even Managers don't see the pay scales anymore (lawsuits) . And remember this time of year MS just did reviews and gave it salary adjustments and bonus so you won't get anything for a year so I might press them for a kick up in salary...they will give you more salary and stock than a sign on. Good Luck!
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Thanks for the nice comment OVzO14!
      Aug 23, 2018
  • Microsoft anon2018
    Why have reservations now? Did you not do your due diligence before interviewing. Every company has its warts and nothing is guaranteed to be better than familiar and where you were.
    Aug 23, 2018 6
    • Microsoft anon2018
      This why I said nothing is guaranteed to be better than familiar and where you are. If you're not ready to move then why does money matter? If you weren't looking why does the money matter. This is the essence of work life balance, you need to control it and determine what you want.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Great point! Thank you! The other reasons include for taking the offer is the type of work/team and the strong tech sector in Seattle. I want to start a company in future. Seattle is a great place for that. Although, Bay Area would be even better.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft anon2018
      If those reasons are important and the job is your means to get to the west coast then why are you questioning a move. If your start up is worth a bean then it doesn't matter what city in the west coast your in you need to just make the right connections
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      You are absolutely correct. Thank you!
      Aug 23, 2018
    • ADP / Mgmt
      Runner131

      ADP Mgmt

      BIO
      I call myself "Damage Control" as I turnaround poor performance of others and get results.
      Runner131more
      Take a look at Comparably as well, kinda like a glassdoor too.
      Aug 24, 2018
  • Microsoft MSFT HR
    Engineering?
    Aug 22, 2018 3
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Not sure if I should be more specific. 🙂
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Microsoft MSFT HR
      Well I mean if you are working as a SWE that is very different than a financial analyst, so it’s hard to give you feedback on the offer if we don’t know what role you have
      Aug 22, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Yes Engineering.
      Aug 22, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Goo᠎gle
    Microsoft would be a good step forward but FYI, I was making more than that 3 yrs ago with slightly less experience and at the same level after working my way up. See if you can negotiate more. Don't listen to the trolls, Seattle is a wonderful city.
    Aug 23, 2018 6
    • Microsoft / Eng Goo᠎gle
      Of course. Because Microsoft employees are banned from living in Seattle.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft Rnrhruhxbb
      Seattle is a garbage city filled with bums, fecal matter, and discarded needles... also, 8 months of cloud and misty rain.

      It’s garbage.

      The people are even worse - don’t lie, you know it’s true. The only way you can be happy here is if you move here already with a family, then *maybe*
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Goo᠎gle
      The people are good. Wtf are you talking about? You need to take chill pill, bro!
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I love seattle. Homelessness has become a serious problem the last several years but there is way less crime than most cities its size with all of the amenities of a large city. It's also close to some of the best hiking and climbing anywhere. I live in a quiet area with great views of the lake less than 2 miles from dt. Best of both worlds.
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Tango Health / Eng WaterColor
      Which part of NW?
      Aug 28, 2018
  • Micron / Eng BDJO24
    The blind leading the blind on Blind. That’s blind^3.
    Aug 23, 2018 0
  • Amazon reorgs
    Take microsoft. They actually have work life balance. At amazon it’s a joke that gets real laughs. Sad laughs but real.
    Aug 23, 2018 0
  • Oracle GG_Warrior
    Expedia Chicago ——> MS Seattle. Thats a big big downgrade in my opinion. But if you think you got the right talent and skills, i think you could do much better company and money wise both !
    Aug 23, 2018 11
    • Amazon Rod11
      Also with msft on ur resume recruiters from fb, goog amazon will reach out to u. Get msft name on ur resume and then all doors will open.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Oracle GG_Warrior
      @Rod11, sorry for having higher standards. But I just don’t think MS is anywhere close to Expedia. And also, I already told OP that if he/she thinks they can do better, then keep interviewing.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Uber Promotion
      MS is better than Expedia, period.
      Aug 23, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Hitmonchan
      Microsoft use to own Expedia.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Expedia is a travel company. Not in the same tech universe as MS. It's ridiculous to compare.
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Microsoft MSFT HR
    Seattle is the best part of microsoft? I can go snowboarding after work and climb mountains on the weekends. And no freakin state income tax!
    Aug 24, 2018 8
    • Microsoft Rnrhruhxbb
      Congrats on climbing during the summer! The summer here is PHENOMENAL, the other 8 months are constant dreary fog and mist.

      Chicago gets more rain, but it doesn’t rain non stop for 8 months. It pours for several hours and then clears up.

      https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Illinois/annual-days-of-sunshine.php

      https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Washington/annual-days-of-sunshine.php

      Chicago has 63 more days a year with sun than Seattle THATS NEARLY A FIFTH OF THE YEAR MORE. I can deal with the cold for that much more sun.

      I also notice that you didn’t comment about the bums either... the excrement and heroin needle thing is fact. I’ve experienced both in Belltown and Cap Hill.
      Aug 26, 2018
    • Microsoft MSFT HR
      My argument is that there are different seasons to enjoy. Summer? Go hiking, waterskiing etc. winter? Go skiing spring? Go hiking and early spring skiing. Fall? Go get drunk in Leavenworth
      Aug 27, 2018
    • Uber foolius
      Stop trying to sell Seattle weather, it sucks. Stop pretending
      Aug 27, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      I dont mind the weather in seattle at all. For 5 months give or take its glorious. The rest of the time its gray and sometimes rains. Usually the air is super clear (not so much due to the wildfires), and there are generally no bugs.

      I lived in Chicago (suburbs) many years and wi another 15. You can take that weather and shove it. Its hotter than balls all summer with giant mosquitos so you can't go outside and colder than a witch's tit in winter. And the snow is horrible with all that shoveling. I hated midwest winters and wont ever be living there again though much of my family still does. Fricken terrible. There is absolutely no comparison.

      Seattle has problems but it's not a dangerous city in general. Chicago is a dangerous city. Some places on the south side and some of the housing projects, if you go in at the wrong time, you wont come out. My sister lived downtown for 2 years. She was robbed 5 times, one at gunpoint. Chicago has some neat, old architecture and some cool museums. I'll take the temperate weather and not having to carry an assault rifle, thank you very much.
      Aug 27, 2018
    • Microsoft Rnrhruhxbb
      I’d rather have an assault rifle and see the sun more than 2 months a year... you can keep the socialists, heroin addicts, and shitty rain
      Aug 27, 2018
  • Microsoft Rnrhruhxbb
    Seattle is a horrifically expensive city. It’s not far behind NY or SF. I’m from Chicago originally, so I know the difference in costs. Also, the weather here, while warmer, is fucking shit. Clouds / misty rain 8 months a year. The people are even worse (google Seattle Freeze). People are passive aggressive assholes. I cannot overstate this - Seattle fucking sucks.

    True story, without saying or doing anything I’ve been accosted for being a tech worker by a hipster in a restaurant once, and on the street by Antifa looking thugs multiple times. Oh, and let me tell you about how traffic snarls during our never ending series of marches and protests...

    I’m looking to go another company in the Midwest in a couple years (as soon as my stock vests) and GTFO of here forever.

    That said, I actually like Microsoft. I like my job and coworkers. I work on cool stuff, it’s great. That said, I’ll never look back when I’m gone.
    Aug 24, 2018 4
    • Expedia / Eng conbro
      OP
      Now I am scared. I love Chicago. Truly a fun city with great summer activities, family friendly but unknown to outsider places to go to, great ethnic sub culture, pockets of great restaurants and the architectural beauty. I will truly miss the city.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft Rnrhruhxbb
      Honestly sir, if you’re happy - stay. I miss Chicagoans and Midwesterners. Don’t go chasing comp here - believe me, you’ll regret it.

      Side note: we do have excellent Asian food (but not as good as Vancouver)
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng VlCX25
      Agreed - Midwesterners are a nicer bunch than Seattlelites. Also... smoky summers are becoming a norm here with wildfires.
      Aug 24, 2018
    • Microsoft Rnrhruhxbb
      Yeah, it’s unfortunate 😞
      Aug 24, 2018

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