Manager Anxiety @Amazon

Amazon RJCMPR
Mar 12 23 Comments

I'm a L5 SDM @Amazon. One of my direct employee under me is not performing upto the SDE-1 bar for about 3 months.

His yoe @Amazon is 2 yrs as f now.

Before moving on him into Pivot, I would like to put him into dev plan as per the Amazon process.

/ A / During the 3 month window as well, I felt like I micromanaged him a lot. I kept mailing him regarding daily updates/ pointing fingers for every mistakes that he did etc.. / A /

1. Am I in any sense look like a bad Manager? Because of point / A /?

2. What further steps should I make?

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  • AIG / Product
    Raging

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    Ragingmore
    1. Yes, because you posted this question here.
    2. Delete the post, get a mentor in Amazon, discuss it there.
    Mar 12 0
  • New NcEf26
    Seen this a million times. By the time micromanagement starts it’s over, employee loses moral, gets burned out. Dreads coming into work. Performance goes down further, management signals he may need to leave if he doesn’t pick it up. Performance drops further due to stress. Employee gets fired, has ripple effects across his career
    Mar 12 3
    • Microsoft
      MP3

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      Mar 12
    • Microsoft joyfull
      +1 micro management drives people nuts. The manager destroys any confidence and potential of the employee. Common mistakes for first time managers.
      Mar 13
    • Intel / Eng DonaldDD's
      I left Intel as a high performer, in part due to micromanaging. Burnout happened so quickly (about a year until fully hating every moment in the office)
      Mar 13
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Yahoo / Eng
      wills

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      willsmore
      OP is discussing. Shut up or be constructive!
      Mar 12
    • eBay eMbtY4
      What really sucks is that company's culture, they only care about high performers.
      Mar 12
    • GoDaddy gddy1991
      I hope this piece that u wrote reaches a lot of managers.
      Mar 12
  • Nutanix laz
    You never know what he is going through. My suggestion
    1. Give him his tasks and ask for timelines.
    2. If he doesn’t perform, inform him that he is put in performance plan and give him a heads up.

    Micromanaging is not good for both of you, as u will leave a bad impression. And that could be the reason he is not motivated to perform.
    Mar 12 1
    • LinkedIn / Data
      pumpkin!!!

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      pumpkin!!!more
      +1 do you really thing micromanaging and pointing fingers on every tiny mistake helps. He is maybe totally scared to do anything (wrong). Better work on the relationship and assign him a buddy in a team,ask what’s wrong, maybe he is going through a divorce etc
      Mar 12
  • Microsoft
    tech.ladki

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    tech.ladkimore
    What's wrong with people here trashing him for along advice on an anonymous forum.
    He's at least trying, and there are so many who wouldn't even try.
    Mar 12 1
    • Microsoft
      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      He just wants a second opinion. Big deal
      And in any case better than those who don't know and don't ask either
      Mar 12
  • New / Eng zzzzzz-ZZ
    Lol OP is sde 1 at Amazon. See his previous posts. Not sure what he is upto acting like his manager
    Mar 15 1
    • Microsoft shfienbxk
      Nice finding. Maybe OP is trying to figure out managers perspective or he wants to find people’s ideas here and presents to the manager for his defense :)
      Mar 15
  • Intel / Eng pleb
    Now the stress starts building up in OP. He dreads coming to work. 3 months from now his manager is going to post here about his employee underperforming.

    Jokes aside, have you tried befriending the guy, you know, like normal human beings ? Like hanging with him during a lunch break, go out for a beer after work, get to know him. If he feels comfortable enough he might open up easier about what's not working. You could approach your concerns in a friendly and empathic way, like helping out a buddy.

    I keep seeing these topics and to some extent I've had my experience, nowhere near what I've seen here but I fail to understand why is there so much attrition between employees and managers. Why can't managers be friends with employees and talk from a position of equality ? You wouldn't boss around and micromanage a friend for 8h a day, would you ? Then why would you treat a report like this ? I read about managers shouting, being demeaning and plain rude to their reports. Are you all fucking psychopats ?
    Mar 12 0
  • Oath qayl28
    Come on guys the guys trying is best and seeking advice. Perhaps mentor ship isn’t available at Amazon.

    I still think you guys point out some good points, seek out a mentor or build a mentor network but no need to trash the guy as human.

    Also TC or GTFO
    Mar 12 0
  • Amazon lqOA01
    There are quite a few stupid incompetent L5 managers at amazon like OP.
    Mar 12 0
  • Microsoft / Eng BamI53
    Relax. He is just leetcoding, will leave soon. Bye your PIP
    Mar 12 0
  • New sparked
    He’s been at amazon for 2 years but he has only just now not been performing?

    How was is performance for the first year and a half?
    Mar 12 0
  • Snapchat asb2
    I feel your pain. I've been a manager and is hard to make others do the work you would do with your pinky.

    However, I would say you should change up your game before PIP him. If pressure alone isn't working, ask him what you can do to help him.
    Mar 14 0
  • New / Other AuntHilda
    What makes you think he won't read this?
    Mar 12 0
  • How long has he been in your team? Why started underperforming 3mo ago?
    Mar 12 0