Manager keeps expanding the dev plan and rejecting to put on pivot

Amazon ahsgdj
Jul 16 29 Comments

It's been 6 months, he doesn't count some of the work (he himself assigned to me) in the dev plan, and doesn't clear me out of it. I asked him to put me on pivot, but he doesn't do that either. He just keeps extending the plan. I'm mentally tired. He's full of lies and I don't trust him at all. Even when I confront him for a lie, he just says "I don't want to answer this question".
What should I do to force him put me on pivot?

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  • Oracle / R&D TLead
    What is it with Amazon and management there? Just curious. I mean aren’t there any of those managers here who could see the feedback and improve on it? Did your manager give a reason for why he put you on dev plan in the first place?
    Jul 16 6
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      He became my manager for 1 week and put me on the dev plan "based on peer feedback" which actually got collected 1 month later than that decision. The written feedback was actually strong (supporting me) and when I asked him "but the feedback is very strong" he said "no, the feedback usually focuses on the strength points". He basically put me on the plan without any document.
      Jul 16
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      Are most of the managers at Amazon like this?
      Jul 16
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      I don't know. I had 4 managers so far. One was awesome (he left after a year), two were ok, and this was awful.
      Jul 16
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      So basically one out of your four managers put you on dev list. Damn. Which org man?
      Jul 16
    • Amazon / Eng bCxp50
      No, but a larger proportion of them are relative to other companies. A low hiring bar, misguided HR policies, and constant attrition will do that.
      Jul 17
  • Amazon fejj zebos
    Trick his wife into believing he's cheating on her
    Jul 16 0
  • New galo
    He's intentionally keeping you there. Leave.
    Jul 16 2
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      Why? Is he mentally ill?
      Jul 16
    • New galo
      That prevents you from changing teams and forces you to work more than what you'd normally do. It's exploitation. Your only way out is to change jobs.
      Jul 16
  • Amazon bnkbgib
    Once you are in devlist, a manager should decide within 60 days if he will move you to pip or remove from devlist. Isn't it ?
    Jul 16 3
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      No. He says there's no length for it. (I don't know if he's telling the truth or not) and after 5 months when I told him that I'm tired and want a clear decision in 2 weeks, he promised to do so, and he's bailing again and asking for another 2 weeks.
      Jul 16
    • Amazon bnkbgib
      DM me
      Jul 16
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      DMed
      Jul 17
  • Google royksopp
    This is heights! Who are these managers, I just want to understand their background and why would they do such stupidity instead of finding better ways to get things delivered. Maybe he thinks he is doing you a service. Idk this is sick!
    Jul 17 0
  • Panasonic Avionics
    maximum10c

    Panasonic Avionics

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    I do sales. I sell stuff. It’s what I do.
    maximum10cmore
    Record the conversations and sue amazon for discrimination
    Jul 16 0
  • Amazon / Product
    AwsCloudy

    Amazon Product

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    AMD, EY
    AwsCloudymore
    6 months is absolute max. Its 2 terms of 90 days. So its pivot or pip after this assum in ng you dont clear. You should go for looking role.
    Jul 16 2
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      Is there any policy you can point me to? (About the 6 months being the max?)
      Jul 17
    • Uber / Eng itsdara
      I think the manager is playing game by only hinting at dev plan. It's called managing people out. Amazon is encouraging this type of game from their first line managers.
      Jul 17
  • I will tell my story and report org once I'm gone. Really shady shit management is pulling
    Jul 17 0
  • Snapchat bFCN68
    You're fighting an uphill battle. Just go elsewhere and be happy.
    Jul 16 0
  • Uber / Eng itsdara
    Give bad Connection feedback. Send emails asking feedbacks on list of task every week. I think Amazon is trying to reduce the severance payout since more people are making use of it. I know Amazon culture doesn't allow you to do less work which makes it very stressful and makes you wanna quit to stop the pain, but you have to stand your ground and make them pay, can't let them push people around without repercussions. Btw the severance is pretty good. You'll be glad to accept it.
    Jul 17 2
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      He already had really bad feedback on connections (from the whole team), but nothing changed.
      I'm happy to take the severance but they are not putting me on pivot.
      Jul 17
    • Uber / Eng itsdara
      Yeah stand your ground, stick with your co-workers. Tell them you're the one getting devlisted so they don't have to worry and jump ship. It's possible manager is doing this to multiple people in your team and hope one quit to fill URA quota without having to pay severance. Spend more time with your team.
      Jul 17
  • Microsoft belleseat
    Where is the manager from? Are you from the same country?
    Jul 17 1
    • Amazon ahsgdj
      OP
      How does this even matter?
      Jul 17
  • New / R&D oopsies
    I see a lot of interesting new words. Any one care to help ubderstand pivot and devlist? Are these Amazon specific or industry specific, my current company doesn't use these.
    Jul 17 0
  • New wCuE54
    Indian manager?
    Jul 17 0