Massive layoffs at TMobile

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25 people on my team of 40 were laid-off this week. All vendors have been advised to downsize. They're not interested in employing Testers or Scrum Masters. They want to reduce the number of TPM's. The delayed sprint integration has fucked it up for everyone. It was a shitty company to begin with. Many employees had recently quit their jobs and joined our team. I saw it come in waves. Every week they picked a vendor and cleaned house. Most vendors were delighted because they didn't pay severance, accrued vacation, or bonuses. On top of that, they billed TMobile for an extra sprint or two while they laid their employees off without notice and pocketed all that cash. They've also used this opportunity to renegotiate their terms and salary with many employees.

One of the trends I've seen is that US Citizens have been laid off by these vendors while keeping cheap H1-B workers on their payroll primarily because they can be exploited. One of the weird things is that they're processing H1-B visas for some of these employees who're not even that good. I've seen advertisements that they can't find any US Citizens for these roles as a justification. On the other hand, all US Citizens on the team were laid off today! ICE is really going to love this one. And no these were not HIGHLY paid contractors by any means!

I don't know complete facts here, but I've heard that an entire TMobile building in Bellevue has been cleared! This is gross mismanagement by TMobile management who're raking in millions in their cushy jobs.

Your phone bills could be a tenth of what they are if these morons stopped throwing company resources down the drain.

Fuck magenta.

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P.S: Several folks on TMobile are now on this thread doing damage control. Probably FTE's or management.

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  • T-Mobile
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    First of all, I wouldn’t consider letting go of contracted employees a layoff, when that’s literally the reason why those roles were hired in that way (I certainly can’t speak to the behavior of the contracting companies themselves, so I won’t comment there). Yes, I think it’s shitty that some projects are being put on hold through EOY and contractors are being let go with one day’s notice. But contract work is temporary by nature. I do agree with you that the delays in the merger and the shift in strategy by leadership to account for that are really putting a strain on capex and opex budgets. It’s going to be a very quiet Q4.

    Second, don’t be a fucking idiot by implying they’ve cleared out an entire building through “layoffs”. It’s because that building is at the point in its renovation where they can’t safely house employees during the work day and all teams have been shifted, either permanently or temporarily, to another building or campus.
    Oct 3 12
    • T-Mobile uncarrier
      Okay, do you work in engineering?😀
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile
      gogogo05

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      Nope!
      Oct 4
    • T-Mobile uncarrier
      Lol then I know you for sure😂
      Oct 4
    • T-Mobile
      gogogo05

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      Now you’ve got me curious!
      Oct 4
    • T-Mobile bdyx57
      @ OP
      You would be better off directing your frustation at the contracting company since they are responsible for your paychecks/stability.
      You knew the terms and conditions of what it means to be a contractor, it's a temporary gig, it's a temporary gig, it's a temporary gig.

      Stop spreading misinformation and rumours, your team contract was ended and that is it. If you/others were valuable enough for the contracting company, they would have absorbed the cost and kept em employed.
      Calling it layoffs is a gross misrepresentation of the fact that your company's contract ended.

      Now let's address your attitude problem.
      Please dont tell me to "shut up", I am expressing my opinion just like you are, perhaps this is why the contracting company sees you as pain in the ass loudmouth.
      You talk without any knowledge of what is happening, you misrepresent the facts to how you see fit, you project your problems onto others.

      PS: Your apple example has no relation whatsoever to the topic, It's like putting a Note 10 case on Apple XR and expecting it to fit. Dont blame Apple, blame the user with poor sense of expectations.
      Oct 5
  • Facebook public2
    25 is massive?
    Oct 2 8
    • T-Mobile
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      No, there were others. 25 on my team of 40 people. That's a high number for a small team. There was an entire building that got laid off in Bellevue. And I've seen 50 people disappear on my floor last week under a second vendor. Prior to it, there were ~20ish who were laid off under a third vendor.
      Oct 2
    • T-Mobile
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      Also, they are very inconspicuous when they do this. Morale had plummeted. On the bright side, 7 out of 15 on my team are interviewing. I was laid off as well but got lucky as I had turned in my two weeks notice last week.
      Oct 2
    • PayPal / Eng v3nm0
      I feel your two weeks notice may have been a factor as to why you got the axe.
      Oct 2
    • T-Mobile
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      Not really. They said they were asked to clear as many people from the building as possible. I ended up getting paid for those two weeks. I shouldn't have said I got laid-off...I guess I was just asked to leave and not come back, lol.
      Oct 2
    • T-Mobile lpME84
      lmao an entire building definitely did not get laid off in Bellevue, we don't have THAT many buildings so trust me everyone would know. do you even actually work here?
      Oct 4
  • T-Mobile / Finance tk3m6w
    Contactors having their contract ended prematurely are not layoffs. This is the normal life of the contractor, when the work is not there, the workers are not needed.
    Oct 3 3
    • T-Mobile
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      Sure dude(tte)! Keep telling yourself that story. As far as TMobile is concerned, you only hire contractors because you are abusing the system. The fucked up vendors you partner with hire them as FTE's promising jobs even if TMobile were to cut their contract.
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile ITV16
      And newsflash. Reducing the Reliance on vendor labor has been an ongoing GOAL - stated at multiple levels! - for the last 12 to 18 months. Having the loss of “help” hurts to be sure but what value was that “help” really providing except a high bill rate? In most cases I have seen, incompetence and a lack of pride in the work - common in contractor work.
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile
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      I don't care it's an ongoing goal. That was never communicated to contractors. Stop playing with people's lives. You could change that by hiring contractors directly instead of through vendors that are robbing you in broad daylight. The work at TMO was shit to begin with. You ain't going to get cream of the crop!
      Oct 3
  • Apple magikarp16
    H1Bs being cheap is a myth bro! Calm your balls!
    Oct 2 4
    • Facebook just_lucky
      It’s real, H1Bs or OPTs through multi layered vendors end up with less pay than equivalent US citizens
      Oct 2
    • Apple magikarp16
      yawn!
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile
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      I know this because I've been on OPT and an H1-B for a very long time. I was the manager of this team, so I knew what everyone was making. I can assure you that most of those folks from South India were hired between 80K-100K (before I took over that team). Some of the sub-contracting companies were paid $55 for these hires.

      Once I took over, new hires I brought in were making above average, so I tried to get everyone the maximum they could. I also made an effort to boost the salary for existing folks but I had to tangle with our management throughout the way. Also, what @just_lucky said above is true.
      Oct 3
    • Sysdig WrSv20
      Actually, as a Manager, I DO have the compensation number. It’s part of the HRIS system that show the org chart and the salary for those resorts to you.

      For contractor, I know because it’s part of the negotiation of the contractor rate.
      Oct 3
  • T-Mobile taXm65
    Contractors are employed on contract terms, which can change. To call this "massive layoffs" inaccurate and an exaggeration. An entire building of contractors has been let go? Your credibility is strained here.
    Oct 3 3
    • T-Mobile
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      Yet another TMobile fan coming here to do damage control. My credibility is strained? LOL. Please shed some light on what happened in Bellevue and why so many people are out of jobs all of a sudden. Are you saying everyone at TMO is lying to us about what happened? Or, does nobody have a clue about what is going on?
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile taXm65
      Have they put cost controls in for the 4th quarter? Yes. Including cutting some contractors. Yes. I'm just saying put it in perspective. Have you ever worked at a company that has gone through truly massive layoffs of FTEs? It's very different.
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile NA_123
      I understand you are pissed at ur situation. But saying eye popping BS to get attention is bull crap. No floors have been emptied. Are contractors being let go, yes. Letting go of contractors is not lay-off. Also I am not a fan of anything before you allege. I take my job as a transaction of services for salary.
      Oct 3
  • T-Mobile ITV16
    Cancelling contracts is NOT a lay-off. Sorry. Been through layoffs at the last two companies. It sucks and I feel for people impacted, but use the right words and stop being an alarmist.
    Oct 3 2
    • T-Mobile ITV16
      And if they lost their job with the contracting company, that’s the shitty vendor life (lived it, had its perks, and its major downsides). The “layoff” is at that company, not TMUS.
      Oct 3
    • T-Mobile
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      Dude STFU. Sure when you get into semantics, canceling contracts is not a lay-off. Just because TMO distances itself from those people doesn't absolve it from being responsible.
      Oct 3
  • Sprint Chickenlip
    Such is the life in the contractor loop. I could have taken multiple contract opportunities before I landed my FTE spot at Sprint, would be making way more and on my wife's benefits....but that impermanence is always looming, always there. It's way more cost effective to torch whole groups of contractors when you need to than deal with the FTE scene. Was at VZ during a "massive" layoff. This was just BAU, it's just that it happened within your eyesight, trust me, this was happening during Feast and during Famine the whole time...
    Oct 3 3
    • T-Mobile ITV16
      Cisco puts all the FTEs in a group a webex - 100+ people - and tells them they have to reapply for their jobs. Saw it TWICE in less than 2 years before it happened to me. :-)
      Oct 3
    • Sprint Chickenlip
      Yeah, see, that's just BAU for some companies. Someone told me Ericsson under Hans they were just taking an arbitrary 10% off the top while good ol' Hans was being lauded as a great cost transformation exec.... go figure.
      Oct 3
    • AT&T / Eng
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      Not sure what’s going to be cut next but I’m anticipating the worst. Though it won’t lead me to make any knee jerk moves and leave my job unless actually surplussed.

      I have a good amount of field work (splicing, outside plant construction, and even cable burial) as well as an engineering background (specifically in repair) that I can fall back on if necessary.

      Be willing to entertain a region (or at least 3 states), not just opportunities in your state, if that’s what it takes to stay employed. I’d open myself up to VA/NC/SC/GA/FL and camp out for a buried wire or installer job if necessary.

      Focus this year is pay off every single thing with a balance, because once that’s done, our monthly recurring expenses (house and utils) are less than $1000. So whether I am stuck digging ditches for $21/hr (what AT&T pays buried wire FTE) or have the opportunity to move somewhere to maintain my income, either way I am not entering into a lifestyle I cannot maintain.
      Oct 13
  • T-Mobile uncarrier
    Don’t create such a mess in Blind, only contractors are being effected due to budget issues.
    Oct 3 1
    • New LTE5g
      Until they dont pay your bonus, how will you feel about that?
      Oct 5
  • T-Mobile rgk
    You're being dramatic. Q4+merger delays = budget tightening and contractors let go. That's it. Stop fueling blind with your weird racist conspiracy fantasies.
    Oct 4 0
  • T-Mobile NA_123
    Letting go of contractors is not layoffs.
    Oct 3 1
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      Yes, it is. Guilty by association. Go back to your hole and stare at magenta.
      Oct 3
  • T-Mobile / Finance tk3m6w
    This thread is trash
    Oct 3 0
  • T-Mobile NA_123
    I understand you are pissed at ur situation. But saying eye popping BS to get attention is bull crap. No floors have been emptied. Are contractors being let go, yes. Letting go of contractors is not lay-off. Also I am not a fan of anything before you allege. I take my job as a transaction of services for salary.
    Oct 3 0
  • Real Networks LSA7
    "I dont know complete facts" but i am going to sensationalize it anyway with a dash of "ICE" threat. Marvelous shitposting OP.
    Oct 4 0
  • Expedia Group vibyjbfyb
    T mobile is a shit company
    Oct 2 0
  • PayPal / Eng v3nm0
    Sad to hear all what's happened. Also, who's magenta?
    Oct 2 2
    • Tesla / Ops
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      I assume magenta is the weird ass T Mobile CEO who always wears pink track suits
      Oct 2
    • PayPal / Eng v3nm0
      Ah that dude.
      Oct 2
  • New rich101
    Truly unfortunate how the H1b visa system is abused by Companies.
    Oct 2 0
  • Move
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    Can you repost this in the layoffs channel?
    Oct 2 1
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      Sorry, I didn't know that existed. Moved.
      Oct 2
  • Uber acet
    "One of the trends I've seen is that US Citizens have been laid off"

    Americans are literally too dumb to realize that their own government is selling them out.
    Oct 4 0
  • Microsoft hackerx
    It's because Huawei stole their IP. Blame China!
    Oct 2 0
  • Amazon / Eng AMZNBucks
    Is TMobile laying their employees off or just cutting contractors in unnecessary positions?
    Oct 2 1
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      It's coming in waves. They have enough contractors to cut so I think FTE's are fine for now, IMO.
      Oct 2

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