Men are responsible for unwanted pregnancies and therefore most abortions

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Read this Twitter thread and comment: https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363431893725184?s=21

Now hope more men (like me), better understand how patriarchy comes into play when it comes to abortions and how the man is barely, if ever, held accountable. And when men are—I guarantee you unwanted pregnancies will DRAMATICALLY DROP. If you care about abortion then you need to support women with common sense solutions and not go religious fanatical calling them murderers and all this as if mother's want to willy nilly do abortions. It's a traumatic and deeply personal situation—most women aren't evil like that.

Like how most immigrants don't come to USA to rape white girls and commit crimes willy nilly 🙄. Some women to some immigrants, like some unstable white dudes commit crimes like mass shootings.

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  • Microsoft BoomSauce
    Here we go again, men are clearly responsible for all the bad shit 🙄 We apparently know when women are ovulating, force them to spread their legs at that time of the month, and dump our seed. Pure evil we are. And because we’re fertile for longer we are responsible for “100% of unwanted pregnancies”.

    What kind of sexist garbage is this?!

    I’m all about getting rid of a cluster of cells in your body. Your choice. But can we please stop with the other bullshit narratives?
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      The only thing disingenuous (btw, you should look up the definition because you’re using it wrong) is you pretending to be a guy. Also if all women knew what “real men” are they wouldn’t be getting knocked up so often by the rest of us.

      And saying irresponsible ejaculation over and over isn’t a merit. It’s just finger pointing. You might as well just go with Creampie Surprise (you can look that up on UrbanDictionary).

      I’m pro-choice, but not pro-whatever the hell this post is. This post has killed more human cells than a 6-week abortion.
      May 18
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      Still posing to be a dude eh? An alpha at that? 🤦‍♂️
      May 19
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      You're an AFC not a real man

      I'm a PUA and got way more game than you will ever have with women, good luck chump
      May 20
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      Aww you’re cute with the insults. Take care ma’am
      May 21
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    From thread:

    "For those of you who consider abortion to be murder, wouldn’t you be on board with having a handful of men castrated, if it prevented 500,000 murders each year?

    And if not, is that because you actually care more about policing women’s bodies, morality, and sexuality, than you do about reducing or eliminating abortions? (That’s a rhetorical question.)"
    May 17 7
    • Intel apsodj
      The option to castrate a few men in order to be pro-life is a false choice and straw man.

      So far as I know, both an XX and XY sequence are required to create a baby. Outside of rape or incest, there is volition in both sides. Kind of stupid to believe one party has more input than 50/50.
      May 17
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, you know that carrying through a pregnancy is hell of a lot more than chromosomes, right?

      Men can have sterilization reversed - unlike women - so the logical pro-life answer would be to sterilize all men until they want to get someone pregnant (consensually of course).

      Condoms and other casual methods have a failure rate and someone using them probably wouldn’t think to check for pregnancy... so sterilization is the most sure way to prevent abortions.
      May 17
    • Intel apsodj
      Only 50% of male sterilization reversals work, so that argument is out the door.
      May 17
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Better safe than sorry - sperm can be frozen beforehand.

      Men just aren’t responsible enough to use contraception so the state should take measures to ensure that innocent blobs of cells aren’t aborted due to their irresponsibility.
      May 17
    • Intel apsodj
      We will get there soon enough, roughly about when men say fuck it to dating and instead spend the majority of their time playing video games / interactive porn (I believe non-sexual rate for under 30 males has gone from 8% to 26% since the advent of the iPhone). The irony is the genders of the Handsmaid Tale will be reversed.
      May 17
  • Amazon ssrtf ccu
    This honestly might be the dumbest rants I've ever heard on the topic. Of all the possible arguments you could make for abortion, this is the one you chose to post and stand behind?
    May 17 2
    • Intel apsodj
      ^
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      Elaborate what's dumb about it? Point by point please.
      May 17
  • Oracle lHEA77
    I sympathize with the intent of the thread but the math/reasoning is just so embarrassingly bad...
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      Elaborate where the math/reasoning is just so bad?
      May 17
    • Oracle lHEA77
      Looking through the thread, what I objected to when I read it back in September was a smaller part than I remembered, and I might have interpreted it less charitably than I could have, so I guess I take back my comment. But to answer your question, I was thinking of this "argument":

      >Let’s start with this: women can only get pregnant about 2 days each month. And that’s for a limited number of years. That makes 24 days a year a women might get pregnant. But men can _cause_ pregnancy 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year. And though their sperm gets crappier as they age, men can cause unwanted pregnancies from puberty till death. So just starting with basic biology + the calendar it’s easy to see men are the issue here.

      It's unclear what exact argument the OP of the thread is trying to make from this enumeraton of biological facts or even what her conclusion really is. Yes, "in theory" a man could participate in 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in one year. Also in theory a man could participate in 0 unwanted pregnancies in one year. It's also true that a woman could not participate in 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in one year, though she could participate in 0 unwanted pregnancies just like a man can. It seems to me that the conclusion being drawn here is that because men have a greater extreme in terms of the number of unwanted pregnancies they could participate in (and also have greater freedom of date and time in which they can do so), that this somehow means that the *average* man participates in more unwanted pregnancies than the *average* woman does, and therefore men as a whole are more responsible for unwanted pregnanceis than women are.

      This is simply nonsense. For one thing, there's nothing in the above argument relating to whether a pregnancy is wanted or unwanted, so the exact same argument could be used to say that men are more responsible for wanted pregnancies than women are... but even before that, the math is wrong. Every pregnancy is the result of a sex act between a man and a woman (fine, in a simplistic model with only heterosexual PIV conception). Therefore the number of instances of a man being involved in a pregnancy is equal to the number of instances of a woman being involved in a pregnancy. And assuming there are equal numbers of men and women in the population (surely the thread is not arguing otherwise), that means that the average number of pregnancies in which a woman is involved is equal to the average number of pregnancies in which a man is involved.

      This is reconcilable with the biological observations I quoted simply by the fact that although men may reach a higher extreme in terms of number of unwanted pregnancies they are involved in, that just means the distribution is more skewed, not that the mean is actually higher. A similar situation exists in terms of the "two days per month" thing. Suppose the average woman is fertile for 2 days during a 28 day menstrual cycle and during her 2 fertile days, any sexual encounter will lead to pregnancy. Then yes, she can only become pregnant 1/14 of the time. But consider the man's case. Assuming he's having sex with random women, then every woman he has sex with has a 1/14 chance of being in her 2 day window. So again, the man's sexual encounters also have a 1/14 chance of leading to a pregnancy. It's symmetric.

      Anyway, as I said, it's not clear what argument the OP of the thread is actually making, so 🤷
      May 17
    • Oracle lHEA77
      I do sympathize with the intent of the thread and I do think that unwanted pregnancies are more often the "fault" of the father (whatever that means) than the mother, simply because in our modern patriarchical society, if two people procreate and at least one of them didn't want to (i.e. an unwanted pregnancy occurs), then it's far more likely that it was the woman who didn't want to. This is just because in our culture men are more likely to take/get what they want than women are. It's definitely not because of this bizarro math about menstrual cycles.
      May 17
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      I agree looking at menstrual periods has nothing to do with unwanted pregnancies.

      The point I agree with is men 100% have the power to control how their ejaculate. Men control the "gun" so to speak and can feel when the "trigger" gets pulled when they're about to blow their 💦.

      So why aren't men held accountable to the same degree and pressure that's placed on women. But it's usually the woman who gets crap for being the "slut" when hey, sex is awesome and everyone should have more of it but responsibly.

      If a women doesn't want to get pregnant, but wants to have sex and communicates both to her man partner, then it's the man's responsibility to control how he blows his load (properly use a condom, if no condom available then woman understands the risks as well as man, but to minimize probability of unwanted pregnancy because of raging hormones, then pull out).

      And who normally pressures and initiates to have sex?

      So if people really care about abortion rights or don't want abortions to happen at all claiming "murder" then let's actually focus on solutions that make sense like teaching and holding accountable men (and women too but they're already being held accountable) to be more responsible and that ejaculating into a woman without a condom, etc. can cause unwanted pregnancies. Like the thread points out, it's REALLY easy to obtain condoms, women can have condoms with them too which is smart, but the man gotta put that on, he's 100% responsible for his own gun and going in protected. He controls the gun when it gets shot not his woman partner.

      So we should start holding men accountable and responsible for causing unwanted pregnancies along with women then that'll change behaviors due to the repercussions but if they are not held responsible then behaviors won't change.
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    • Oracle lHEA77
      Yeah, agreed.
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    • Intel babubhatt
      I think the equivalent equal right would be for a third party not to be able to tell a man whether or not he could have a medical procedure he wants to get. Which men currently have.
      May 18
    • Microsoft djdkdlld
      More like dismemberment than a medical procedure.
      May 18
  • Goldman Sachs ltcg36
    The dumb thing about these arguments is that they always put man in control of everything (very ironic specially when the argument is made by women who most likely believe in girl power). If sex and the subsequent pregnancy is all the result of men wanting a bit more pleasure then why not just stop having sex with men all together, problem solved!!

    I am all for responsible sex and both parties being accountable and doing their part to control unwanted pregnancy but making this one gender issue because currently the majority of politician who decide on these laws being male seems like a vindictive reaction.
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    • Intel apsodj
      The majority of voters are female in Alabama who elected those mostly male state officials and female governor.
      May 17
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      1) I'm a man LMAO
      2) Stick to this argument and the points, don't cop out and clump it into "these arguments"
      3) Unwanted pregnancies are due mostly to...irresponsible ejaculation
      4) I never said "why not stop having sex with men all together"--where you get that from? Stick to the current argument

      Maybe I should also irresponsibly ejaculate on your face and blame your face for the outcome 💦

      Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
      May 17
  • Intel apsodj
    Or you can mandate fathers take care of their kids. Anyone opposed?
    May 17 2
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      In the thread, she mentions how 60% or so of those fathers don't even pay for child care and help raise that child. That's a way to hold those fathers accountable but might not matter if they refuse or cannot monetarily or are just HORRIBLE fathers, I mean imagine an abusive, mentally unhealthy dad...so an absolutely better way is educating men as much as possible before they cause those unwanted pregnancies. And when they do they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law and we'll dramatically decrease abortions and it's a win-win for everyone left, right, man, woman, society wins overall.

      Just like healthcare, preventive care does wonders and saves lives and so much in costs. But that another post for another time...
      May 17
    • Intel apsodj
      Yep - charge child support, put them in pauper jails if they can’t pay.
      May 17
  • Google Ow29qD
    Hot takes about MUH MEN like this are pretty obnoxious considering ~40% of women are also anti abortion.

    And this is coming from someone who's generally pro choice.
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  • Crew aXFh35
    Ladies, ladies, ladies. We have to do better. We have to do better about our choices in men. We have to do better about when we decide to get pregnant and therefore who we decide to share the privileges of sleeping with us. We can not continue to throw our kitty cat at every Tom, Dick, and Harry, cross our fingers, and hope one of those guys will do right by us when shit hits the fan. It's too late. We only hurt ourselves when we decide to murder our children as a result and or depend on big daddy government to provide. Those actions leave us feeling hurt, bitter, depressed, and jaded. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We need to take better actions before pregnancy because the power to get pregnant comes with a lot of responsibility. We need to start doing right by us so we know how to select men who will also do right by us. The same brains we're using to crack the glass ceiling, pursue careers in STEM, and etc need to be used to better protect our bodies. Let's stop shutting our brains down in relationships with men. Most men are amazing people. Let's stop blaming them for everything and be responsible for our decisions, good and bad.
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      Agree with most you say as both parties need to take responsibility except the "murder children" part. An unborn fetus is not a born child.

      And this is about unwanted pregnancies and who/what causes them.
      May 19
    • Crew aXFh35
      Let's agree to disagree.

      We don't live in a world where a fertilized egg immediately becomes a fully grown child, ready for deliver, in a matter of seconds. The fertilized eggs goes through stages of transformation, each stage building upon the other to create a child in nine months. Abortion is ending that child's life.
      May 19
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      Life is indeed a gift. The creator decided there was life and also decided to take it away. I was raised studying the Bible and Christian (altar boy and all), the Mom is the creator of that life. It's a beautiful act of creation but we don't get to tell the creator what to do, that's for the creator of that life to decide.

      And when life is not self-sustaining, self-aware and self-conscious to survive on its own breath without a mother, then it's not "living" on its own yet and still is the mother, a part of her. The fetus is the part of the mother's body.

      Ending a child's life = when it's born, breathing, fully viable, fully developed into a living self-aware child. An embyro and fetus is not a living child, not self-aware, no matter what you say. you don't know the chances of survival of that embryo or fetus, or sperm survival into an egg, sometimes it becomes a miscarriage, etc.

      That's nature going it's course and "choosing" for the mother. But I wouldn't call that a death of a child. It could have been a potential child like a sperm could have.

      So if you aren't the creator, people should not be able to tell the creator what to do with their body, their life, their fluids, etc.
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    • Crew aXFh35
      I still disagree.
      KJV Jeremiah 1:5 says "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet onto all nations"

      God knows who we are and our future at conceptions. He is the true creator. He determines who lives and dies. Some children die at miscarriage, some die immediately after birth, and the others die at various ages. Parents aren't the true creator because God gives and takes life at his will not their will. God also gives us free will so parents can kill their children before birth if they like but know that it is murder. Children are a blessing and a responsibility. Parents are called to be good stewards of those gifts.

      Ephesians 1:3-4 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love"

      Psalms 100:3 "Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people and the sheep of his pasture"

      Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretched forth the heavens alone; that spreadth abroad the earth by myself"
      May 21
  • Microsoft / Eng thebiglife
    Full of crock shit.. don't sleep around
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  • Intel babubhatt
    Really good read
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      If a woman has sex with 100 random men in a year, she can still only produce one full term pregnancy. If a guy has sex with 100 random women in a year, he can produce 100 full term pregnancies. So why exactly are we only talking about regulating women?

      All for equal rights but also equal treatment and protection of those rights, if we aren't regulating and telling men what they can do with their penises and body, then we shouldn't tell women what they can do with their bodies.
      May 20
  • Crew aXFh35
    I can't with these articles
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    And in society we police irresponsible behaviors that cause harm or death.

    So if an unwanted pregnancy causes harm to a woman who doesn’t want to be pregnant that potentially leads to mental and physical health risks/complications abortion brings--which harms the woman

    You good with that?
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