Microsoft - Level & Compensation Expectations

Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
Aug 21 23 Comments

Hi,
I have got a verbal confirmation from the recruiter and he said they are preparing the offer and would take some time for the same.

I applied for SDE2 and I know the level is 62. Its in Redmond, Seattle.

With 9 YOE:
- I was thinking of SSDE 63/64 ? Is that possible ?
- What compensation i should be looking at ?

Thanks for your inputs

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  • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
    OP
    Does the team matter for either of the questions or it’s pretty standard across the board
    Aug 21 6
    • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
      OP
      Sure, my main question is the level itself, I don’t know if they will agree for 63. In the beginning itself I had asked the recruiter if the levels were flexible and they had said yes

      Any Microsoft people here ? Any in sights
      Aug 21
    • BYTON cJKu57
      I think u might need to negotiate hard. Assuming u did well in interview u might be a bit on the back as u applied for lower level(did I read that right).

      Best thing everyone says is have competing offers.
      Aug 21
    • BYTON cJKu57
      Oh and you know what. U didn't tag @microsoft in ur post. That would definitely have given waay more visibility with MS folks.
      Aug 21
    • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
      OP
      Well yes I applied for SDE2 since there was no SSDE Position for the same and I believe I did tag Microsoft on my post
      Aug 21
    • Microsoft / Eng
      prac

      Microsoft Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      pracmore
      If you came from FANG you might be able to get 63 but otherwise no.
      Aug 21
  • Shell / Supply/Log sweetbruh
    Levels.fyi is what you’re looking for
    Aug 21 2
    • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
      OP
      Yes I already checked that, are the salary details pretty much up to date ?
      Aug 21
    • BYTON cJKu57
      That's what it seems like to me by spending time on blind.
      Aug 21
  • Amazon LwEF67
    If it’s level 62 no chance for 64, small small chance for 63. Good luck
    Aug 21 4
    • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
      OP
      Sure 63 sounds about right. Are these levels based on experience or it’s vague and not properly defined
      Aug 21
    • Amazon LwEF67
      Both 😂
      Aug 21
    • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
      OP
      😉
      Aug 21
    • BYTON cJKu57
      From what I gather it's YoE in combination with how u performed in interview and also how u negotiate plus competing offers.
      Aug 21
  • Facebook wzVB27
    Super lowball for 9 Yoe. Level 60 to 64 are the people who do real coding work and Microsoft underpay a lot on this range. The company is always hiring for this range because people vote with feet and shit hole left to fill. Many companies would see 8 yoe SDE2 as huge red flag. Two data point for reference: friend1 quit PhD after two years, 1 year yoe previously, join as 62. Friend2 stay in bad MSFT group for 7 years and get rejected for FB resume screen since he stays at SDE2 for so long
    Aug 21 3
    • Facebook moxic
      How does fb know the guy is sde2. What if someone just writes Software Engineer as their title at resume (like fb is flat)
      Aug 22
    • Facebook wzVB27
      Microsoft isn’t flat. 61 62 are sde2. 63 64 are senior title. In my friend case, he put sde2 on resume. FB asks about his title during recruiter screen and hiring manager decide not to move forward. Even with flat, title is different when reaches senior ic5 above or 63 above. FB expect people to grow but they don’t know in some groups of M people are severely under leveled. Good engineer don’t have time to play politics and thus hard to get promotion.
      Aug 22
    • Facebook wzVB27
      Simply put, if the title is not senior for above 5-6 yoe, it becomes red flag for hiring managers.
      Aug 22
  • BYTON cJKu57
    Have u already tried levels.fyi?
    Aug 21 1
    • Valero Energy Corporation / Eng fKlQ14
      OP
      Yes I already checked that but was not sure if the salary details were up to date.

      And I think the level at which I am hired at will dictate that.
      Aug 21
  • Facebook wzVB27
    With today’s hot market, continue looking around. Trust me the SDE 2 role must be from Cosine, Azure IoT or networking group where big exodus happened. Taking lowball and filling shithole won’t make your situation any better. Dumb really believe recruiter shit there is no senior role in a company with a total of 60000 devs of which 100 quit everyday.
    Aug 22 0
  • Walmart sk03
    Negotiate hard. Unless you have competing offers its really tough. I had the same experience I am offered level 62 with 11+ YOE. I had to consider it as i dint have any other offers in hand.
    Good Luck
    Aug 21 0