Microsoft Azure offer

Cisco / Eng thomshelby
Jun 12 42 Comments

I got an SDE offer with Microsoft Azure Compute team in Redmond. HR said it to be L60.
I have a Master's degree in CS and 2 yrs experience working in Bay area since.

Base 110k
Stocks 20k (spread across 4 years)
Sign on bonus 10k
Annual stocks 6k (performance based)
Annual bonus 20% (performance based)

Is this offer standard for Redmond? I expect it to be much higher than this.

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  • New pge4
    Low
    Jun 12 2
    • Oracle DzruLD
      What could be negotiated?
      Jun 12
    • New pge4
      Tbh, everything
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft / Eng
    GJss66

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    GJss66more
    20k stocks over 4 years and that's pre-tax lol.

    Offer is low end. Base is not bad, could be closer to 117k. Also, expect your bonus to be 10%. 20% is for top 5% of people or so, very rare to get.
    Jun 12 3
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      Can I ask for a level up L61?
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft / Eng
      GJss66

      Microsoft Eng

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      I doubt they will without competing offer. Don't get me wrong, congrats on getting an offer, it is in range, just on the low end of L60. Midpoint is 117k base, and stocks is your best negotiating spot with largest wiggle room.
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng dndhdien
      L61 with 2 yoe is difficult.
      Jun 12
  • Amazon / Data pozbuw
    Even low for new grad offer, but within range
    Jun 12 3
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      I graduated 2 years back. Been working since
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Data pozbuw
      Masters in CS and 2 years of industry experience you shouldnt join as an entry level developers. Because most entry level developers get promoted within 2 years of joining. Ask recruiter to up level you to at least 61 or fuck off.
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

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      Brazukamore
      This
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft / Eng Fork Bomb
    Brutally low.
    Jun 12 0
  • Tesla InmR60
    New grad is 110k 120k stock 50k signon
    Jun 12 0
  • Amazon / Eng dndhdien
    This is a very low offer. There is definitely room for negotiation. I was offered 125k base, 20k sign-on and 30k stocks for L60. Having a competing offer makes the negotiation easy but you can still try to ask for more.
    Jun 12 0
  • Deloitte broadway74
    Lol 2 yrs out of school...how much more do you expect? Good luck
    Jun 12 2
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      Graduated in 2017. Working since. Thanks anyway!
      Jun 12
    • Deloitte broadway74
      Blind salaries are the top 1% of salaries. I wouldn’t rely solely on this forum.
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft / Eng gqne23
    Look elsewhere OP. You should try Amazon. It’ll be a good learning exp and they won’t lowball you either.
    Jun 12 0
  • Microsoft bbbbbb1
    Pretty sure your Bay Area experience was in a low paying company, prolly a start up.
    Jun 12 4
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      Startup and since then Cisco Systems
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft bbbbbb1
      That’s why this offer. You’ve been lowballed, but within range I think
      Jun 12
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      20k stocks within range? Even the new grads got 100-120k. Thanks for your opinion though!
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft bbbbbb1
      New grads are generally given preference in these situations as they can be moulded better.
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft / Eng abcxyz4
    I was able to negotiate to l61 1 year back with 2 yoe but different org.
    Jun 12 3
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      What was your strongest argument for negotiation?
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft MMKy42
      "L60 pay sux - L61 pls?"
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft / Eng abcxyz4
      You have the advantage if you are able to decline the offer
      Jun 13
  • Microsoft no-sql
    How is your current Tc ? Is this offer better?
    Jun 12 1
    • Cisco / Eng thomshelby
      OP
      I am currently working as a Vendor. So this TC is marginally better.
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft kleenexer
    You can get much more if you get a competing offer. What you got is less than what they offer to new grads
    Jun 12 0
  • Microsoft / Eng gqne23
    Below avg base and stocks.
    Do not count on the 20% bonus. Thats only for top performers.
    Jun 12 0
  • Oracle techlord12
    Microsoft won’t give level up. In same shoes and received an offer. You can negotiate base and stocks. DM for more info.
    Jun 12 0
  • New pge4
    Accept it and then leave for a Faang within a year
    Jun 12 0
  • Apple 🍯moon
    What !! Why msft is so frugal ? Don’t do it unless u are dying for it
    Jun 12 0
  • Microsoft idknbd
    that's an l59 base
    Jun 12 0
  • Cisco time2leave
    Why is Microsoft low balling so badly? I recently got similar L60 offer and I’ve Masters plus 6 years experience. Is it because of hiring events are mostly for new grad levels?
    Jun 12 1
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      What!? How the hell they did they give you a l60 offer when you should be levelled at 62?
      Jun 13
  • Microsoft EjSq85
    At 59 i am at base 110k joining 10k and 30k stocks across 4 years.. do not have prior exp in software industry.. however had other experience.. also a masters ..graduated in 2017.. my initial offer was 105k base 5k joining as far as i remember and 10k stock.. i was desperate to leave my company at that time.. i had an offer from amazon.. but i was keen on msft..
    Jun 12 1
    • Microsoft EjSq85
      Also.. i inyerviewed for se 2 role but was offered se 1.
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft EjSq85
    University hire stock is higher than industry hire unless you have a competing offfer or you are coming from a big firm. It sucks.. but its true. The recruiter told me that this is because they want to attract more university talent. Also the budget for university hire is from msft overall but the budget for industry hire is from the team/org.
    Jun 12 0