Microsoft Huge Layoffs in Q4?

Microsoft AweAwe
Apr 14, 2018 100 Comments

In Window's org and MCIO?...Most impacted - Service engineers, Program managers. Partners and Principals. Now Cloud group has lots of trash added with recent reorg. from OSG. OSG devs are of very low standard compared to Azure devs. They won't stand a chance. Heard from a Partner group manager that lists are being prepared. Watch out.

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  • Microsoft TxDq83
    Azure devs high standards what a joke 😉😉😉
    Apr 14, 2018 3
    • Microsoft MViL00
      That's what I thought too
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft infusedh2o
      Big joke. WDG Devs are stellar.
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft tXiA88
      Most funny thing I hear today
      Apr 15, 2018
  • Yandex kGos57
    Should new grad hires starting this summer at Windows be worried too?
    Apr 14, 2018 9
    • New / Eng Shake
      kGos57 the odds of that happening are very minimal, they might still merge teams than let go each and every employee.
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng æ
      Correct. No you won't be let go. They factor this in.
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      ONoX24

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      @yandex I know someone this happened to. Their team was dissolved two weeks before their start date. They were just moved to another team internally and they went to a different office on their first day. That was the scale of the impact on them
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft hoover
      If the team gets laid off before you start as a new grad, you're just reassigned. If it happens two weeks AFTER you start though, it's on you/ your management to find you a new place
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Tableau xfx7
      They want to keep new hires, they work hard for less pay.
      Apr 15, 2018
  • Microsoft lzmz70
    Do people with recent promotions and good connect feedback also need to be worried?
    Apr 14, 2018 8
    • Microsoft / Eng AmIErlich
      In the past, I’ve seen typical layoffs where whole teams or orgs were cut. Some employees were slated for specific roles, others allowed to look for open roles to switch to, and yet others were just walked out. The second category is the most numerous, so most laid off were quickly reabsorbed into the company.
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft
      🤷‍♂️IDK

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      This is my bio.
      🤷‍♂️IDKmore
      Rock stars have been cut many times in RIFs. They usually have people watching out for them and they land well though.
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Salesforce ozEK82
      There are always openings in other orgs...people with good connect will be better placed than others in applying for those positions and usually do fine
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      Layoffs are about politics, if the decision maker likes you and you're work your fine, if otherwise (don't really know much about you), be worried.
      Apr 16, 2018
    • Microsoft / Other Scrilla
      Be at or above target and you will miss 90% of RIFs
      May 8, 2018
  • Microsoft var_
    Please stop responding to a random person spreading shit just because it’s an anonymous forum. Such fake news is spread by people who are themselves insecure about their job because deep down they know they deserve to be kicked off and hence are afraid. Stop reacting to this shit. Please stop giving oxygen to this fire of unnecessary rumors without any evidence whatsoever . Let’s concentrate on doing our best work day in and out.
    Apr 14, 2018 0
  • New / Eng Shake
    Also your post suggests PMs, service engineers, devs, principal, partner. Essentially saying everyone at L68 or below at wdg need to be worried 😯
    Apr 14, 2018 15
    • Tableau xfx7
      I worked at Microsoft for 10 years. No layoffs at Facebook, Google and dozens of other companies. Sure, nothing is guaranteed but why go back to declining engineering culture and lower pay.
      Apr 16, 2018
    • New / Eng Shake
      Thanks for that honest take.
      Apr 16, 2018
    • Microsoft wtf_nfc
      Eh, snarky humor doesn't translate well on blind. That being said, I've run into a few folks in my short time here that are CONSTANTLY shitting their pants about layoffs. Usually in completely opposite sides of the company.
      Apr 16, 2018
    • New / Eng Shake
      Wtf_nfc; I’m a new grad and just trying to get a sense. Haven’t started yet, but I think it’s in the best interest of companies to avoid layoffs, being let go for not doing well is perfect, but the other case brings down morale.
      Apr 16, 2018
    • Microsoft Suid2636
      The only teams that will have sustainable growth for a while is Azure. With our announcement of Azure Sphere, it is clear we are pivoting hard away from a server based OS and moving toward bare bones infrastructure services.
      Apr 18, 2018
  • Microsoft / Design Crappyguy
    Please understand that layoffs are not necessarily based on performance. I am aware of people who got 2 promotions in 10 months did get lay off last year. It's about eliminating the positions. Irrespective of your performance . If management sees that specific group or team is redundant or shrinking budget, hard decisions are being made.
    Apr 14, 2018 5
    • GE / Eng
      Ermahgerd

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      Ermahgerdmore
      I disagree.. a business will never lay off their top strategic perfromers, unless they are closing the doors.
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft / Design Crappyguy
      Unfortunately this is happening. It's the fact we witness here
      Apr 15, 2018
    • Google xRON53
      I know a person who got laid off from Microsoft , and got absorbed in another team , 2 weeks later his promotion came in for him ( from his previous role ? In Microsoft , they don’t lay off based on performance. Because if they do that is firing and not laying off , and you cannot fire someone without previous warning about them having low performance ..
      Apr 15, 2018
    • Facebook iSfs22
      Your statement is ideal. In practice, it's an excuse to get rid of low hanging fruit
      Apr 17, 2018
    • CareerBuilder AgnewsHead
      In an at-will state you can fire somebody for wearing a green shirt, no prior warning necessary
      Apr 25, 2018
  • Microsoft \o-o/
    What is osg ?
    Apr 14, 2018 7
    • Microsoft / Eng AmIErlich
      OSG was an older name, wasn’t it?
      Apr 14, 2018
    • Microsoft sleepytime
      Yeah from like 2.5- 3 yrs ago
      Apr 15, 2018
    • DocuSign SignDocu
      If it were years ago, it would mean online services group, I.e. msn, bing, haha!
      Apr 16, 2018
    • Microsoft HJOX48
      Bing & MSN we’re part of OSD - Online Services Division- but that became part of ASG.
      Apr 16, 2018
    • Microsoft IronSlug
      OSG was the operating system group before it became WDG.
      May 27, 2018
  • Microsoft NewWdg
    I have been refraining from commenting, but this has put caused enough people to lose their sleep. I am from WDG at level 68+ and I want assure everyone that this is FAKE. The OP is probably a troll, someone insecure or someone who is in PIP and could be fired soon. Please don't trust everything you read on Blind without facts, which includes my post.
    Apr 15, 2018 2
    • Microsoft CWEx00
      So... do you mean your post is fake?
      Apr 16, 2018
    • Salesforce Bola
      He could be anyone. Lol
      Apr 28, 2018
  • Microsoft mrcloud
    Why the fuck OP posted this in all forums??? Posting it in just msft is still okay to blaber... If u don't like to work in msft.. Get your ass out but don't ruin whatever brand we have left
    Apr 15, 2018 1
    • New / Eng Shake
      Take it easy. Helps those of us who don’t have Ids yet to stay abreast.
      Apr 15, 2018
  • Uber Jumper
    Eng quality is lowest among big companies but I’d say the biggest pain is the amount of political animals of leads, managers who know nothing technical.
    Apr 14, 2018 0
  • Microsoft AllUrBase
    Big, if true
    Apr 14, 2018 0
  • Amazon BIFr55
    About time
    Apr 14, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng amazingDev
    We are definitely realigning strategy. Id expect refocusing/reorg to align more with cloud, iot, and mobile projects. Probably less emphasis on windows only ecosystem. The company needs to make the shift.

    Id also expect tighter integration of linked in.

    This probably wont mean IC rifs, maybe partner/cvp house cleaning. Id expect Terrys cronies to be worried atm.

    Devs need not be worried, we are ramping up new work and need more devs not rifs.

    Maybe wdg quality org will be dissolved. Useless.
    Apr 14, 2018 6
    • Microsoft / Eng amazingDev
      telemetry analysis, reporting, tooling, and some sdet stuff even though the title is gone. They cant write feature code. Waste of headcount.
      Apr 15, 2018
    • Microsoft AweAwe
      OP
      Then we don't need them anymore... Wish we fous more resources on right priorities than things like this.
      Apr 15, 2018
    • Microsoft SeeHaux
      WDG quality used to create fake data for Terry
      Apr 15, 2018
    • Microsoft ((()/$/$
      There is a lot of duplicates effort in our telemetry/data platforms. Everyone knows it and they’ve all been trying to one up each other so that their pet platform gets the gold star.

      We’ve got some good stuff in this space as a company, I just hope that they consolidate it.
      Apr 15, 2018
    • What about WSD? It’s fake too
      Jun 2, 2018
  • Microsoft Biz Exec
    FAKE NEWS. Microsoft is limiting any RIFs to two windows a year. Sept and Jan.
    Apr 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft HJOX48
    Commenting on couple topics in this thread:

    Azure org has 5:1 dev:pm ratio. Go look in headtrax or who and you’ll see for azure compute, storage, networking, IOT that dev teams are consistently 5x the size of pm teams. I would expect same ratio applied to other feature teams that just reorg’d in.

    If there are layoffs, I would think Sep is reasonable timeframe as others mentioned. That’s been trend under Satya. Also Azure team basically doubled with MCIO and WDG teams so next couple months will be used to understand pieces in new org, create all-up strategy and build FY19 plan - including financial targets and headcount budget.

    Then org structure will be decided that best supports strategy and plan. At that point there will be some winners and losers at partner and above. Reorg (assuming one happens) would likely take place by July (to begin fiscal year).

    Certainly there will be overlapping areas by merging Azure original team, MCIO pieces and WDG pieces. Could result in layoffs, but as others have said impacted employees often get opportunity to look for another role internally. More so, Azure is in land grab for the cloud and I know areas and critical projects that are starved for good engineers - so I would expect reorg and any layoffs to be more about aligning on single resource strategy (dev/pm ratio; service quality/livesite model) and reassigning resources to high need areas than about reducing absolute costs.

    As others commented and I stated above, good developers should be fine. However PMs from WDG and those in less technical roles that were duplicated across these orgs (customer programs, partner/ecosystem) could be at higher risk of layoff without soft landing in Azure.

    Or I could just be completely wrong.
    Apr 16, 2018 2
    • Microsoft Tulufan
      Where do you think Fortin’s org will land. Mostly Quality folks, previous SDETs now data engineers.
      Apr 17, 2018
    • Microsoft HJOX48
      Looking at Azure org chart, Zander has invested more than most execs on horizontal functions - CAT, Global/ecosystem, livesite, CXP, CSI. So he clearly values those. Fortin’s org seems like a horizontal mostly to me.

      Jason also seems very pragmatic and not dogmatic - so I don’t expect him to make knee jerk or blanket decisions, such as “This is how we do it in Azure, we’ve got it all figured out, you guys in WDG are clueless.’ He’s one of the most rational and balanced execs I’ve seen.

      He did come up through dev track at Microsoft and Azure has 5:1 dev/pm ratio so my assumption is that he’d look to reduce duplication in the new org and shift those resources to advancing the platform.

      I’ve spent time in Windows and Azure and love them both. They have long connected history. Makes a lot of sense to merge as one group. Think of this as opportunity and not risk.
      Apr 17, 2018
  • Microsoft Banned
    Finally - thank you , I wanted to get rid of low performers
    Apr 14, 2018 0
  • Google / Product
    alexstamos

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    Henry Sanders is out and Erin Chapple being promoted to CVP
    Apr 18, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Other Scooby Doo
      Holy crap. You are correct mostly.... are you in msft?
      Jun 6, 2018
    • Google / Product
      zimmerman

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      zimmermanmore
      Update: Henry is leaving after RS5
      Jun 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Other Scooby Doo
      Ok... Lets keep a tab on that.... are you still in G?
      Jun 6, 2018
    • Google / Product
      zimmerman

      Google Product

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      No. Azure.
      Jun 6, 2018
  • Google / Product
    alexstamos

    Google Product

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    alexstamosmore
    I am told if you join the Edge team, you will be safe!
    Apr 19, 2018 1
    • Microsoft LeetcodeBe
      Edge..... never make user happy
      Apr 22, 2018
  • Google / Product
    alexstamos

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    The program manager RIF has been in work for a while not to mention the WDG holding promotions for.L66+ due to being over budget.
    Apr 16, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Design Crappyguy
      Can you add more insights ? RIF's are waiting to happen for PMs ?
      Apr 16, 2018
  • Microsoft eQvl05
    Looking to hear from FakeSatya on this topic. While such news start as rumor, mostly they turn out to be a reality. Matter of time?

    Microsoft has become an awful place to work, and might get remembered in history for the company that executed the most layoffs, just for Satya to please investors from time to time. Ridiculous leadership to keep the morale high in the company!

    Sincere Advise to LTs, get done with the RIF and let employees feel ownership in the company too.
    Apr 15, 2018 0

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