Microsoft L64 Offer
Rate a msft offer : Base : 170K Stocks : 260K/4years Sign on : 80K Annual Refreshers : Target bonus : 0-30% Target Stocks : 0-48K Recruiter said its a out of band L64 offer. I think they are down leveling on level. Not getting L65 is surprising because I nailed all the interviews. Had 6 or 7 rounds for 3 teams, target level : L64/65. Total experience: 7 years Current TC : 270K in NYC, leading a team for over a year now. Waiting on my final Fb/G numbers but liked the team at MSFT overall. Will really appreciate any feedback on this. Anyway to get them for L65/principal? These are initial numbers. And yes, I grew really fast in my career before anyone asks.
Holy fuck yeah that’s a solid offer for L64
Basically your second year target comp will be $264K FB/G will easily beat it on L5. MS will need to bump a level to compete and will not be able to match L5 comp even on L65.
Sure you’ll make more. You’ll also spend many nights leetcoding to land that dream job. Then if you get that offer, quickly realize you aren’t working on anything worth a shit and second guess your decisions. Prestigious right?
“orth a shit and second guess your decisions. Prestigious right?” : what are you referring to?
Microsoft always errs on the side of under leveling, because they don't want to hire someone into a level where they may not be promoted for a long time. This is especially true for l64, because promos at 65+ are slow and difficult. Depending on your trajectory, you may be better off taking that level 64 position and being in the top of the performers versus being in the bottom of the 65s, as bonus, etc may be better. But, you'll probably be most better off if you take a Facebook or Google offer.
Fair enough. But dont want to struggle again as senior engineer. Do you disagree? The target comp should change for principal band. FB will be better just liked this team. Sad! :(
What team is it? Actually, I realize sharing that may remove the anonymity.
yeah, they said they can pay at principal level but not giving L65:( Dont think this is principal either.
They probably mean they’re giving you enough stock at sign-on that you’ll be making more than the average L65 who’s been at the company for years. Target L65 comp is about 250K. Principal is 65-67 which is a pretty big range comp-wise.
interesting! Good point. Still it feels like a step down than a step up for me.
That's a solid offer from MS. What don't you wait for FB? Their E5 offers are better than any FANG.
true that. But do you think they can match FB offers if they move to L65? Does being an L65 change anything career wise?
I have heard MS pays on par above L65 but think about the name G or FB brings on our resume. I'm not saying MS is a bad place to work but it's definitely not better than G or FB.
Are you moving out of nyc ?
I dont mind. Seen enough. :)
My 64 offer was 185k, 200k/4 years, and $60k sign on. So you could try for more base.
thanks. Appreciate it. Did you feel you were down leveled or were you aiming for L64?
Yes, I was absolutely brought in under level but my manager may have done me a favor. Adjusting to MS is hard. Getting top rewards at 64 is easy for me and some say getting target rewards at 65 is much harder. The comp between the two is not much different.
This is a low all offer for a 64
lol Microsoft L63 only meet Amazon L5 bar. So this is nothing spectacular. Most of my friends became L63 in 5 years. But it's good that you are satisfied with your growth. I would still advice joining Google/Facebook/Amazon anyday over Microsoft. Btw majority of Amazon L6 make 300k+ . I know Google T4 making more than 300k as well
Join Amazon over Microsoft? Man you must be fucking nuts. I have been to that shit hole and now I am Ms and believe me, I ain't never going back to that place. Low compensation, zero perks and over worked employees. Amazonians ads nothing but broken G, MS, and F dream. Also if you are worried about compensation, just get good offers and ask MS to negotiate. They do negotiate and they do give out really good offers. So I would advise anyone to join G and Fb any day but Amazon from MS? That's just a bad move!
Note- that comp is in stocks vested over the next year or two. So even though u get that compensation u still have to keep working your ass off to earn that compensation in ur pocket. You are shown that incentive but you need to continue to run towards that incentive.
That’s ridiculously high. 7 YOE is not L65.
What does yoe mean? It’s used everywhere on blind but never explained.
Years of experience!!