Rate a msft offer :
Base : 170K
Stocks : 260K/4years
Sign on : 80K
Annual Refreshers :
Target bonus : 0-30%
Target Stocks : 0-48K
Recruiter said its a out of band L64 offer. I think they are down leveling on level. Not getting L65 is surprising because I nailed all the interviews. Had 6 or 7 rounds for 3 teams, target level : L64/65.
Total experience: 7 years
Current TC : 270K in NYC, leading a team for over a year now.
Waiting on my final Fb/G numbers but liked the team at MSFT overall. Will really appreciate any feedback on this. Anyway to get them for L65/principal? These are initial numbers.
And yes, I grew really fast in my career before anyone asks.
Rate a msft offer :
- Symantec GogoIBasically your second year target comp will be $264K
FB/G will easily beat it on L5.
MS will need to bump a level to compete and will not be able to match L5 comp even on L65.
- lol Microsoft L63 only meet Amazon L5 bar. So this is nothing spectacular. Most of my friends became L63 in 5 years. But it's good that you are satisfied with your growth. I would still advice joining Google/Facebook/Amazon anyday over Microsoft. Btw majority of Amazon L6 make 300k+ . I know Google T4 making more than 300k as well
- Microsoft frtO64@aAEU54 I just passed college a year ago and I left Amazon in a year. So there goes your whole LE theory. Also did you even see the Amazon stock vesting period? Others Fangs have a decently stable stock with much better vesting options and stock grants so if you are stock greedy for Amazon, just sell your own much higher stock grant quickly as they vest and buy Amazon stock. Done. And also if you are paid decent, you don't need to wait to see your stocks earn you money. Secondly, who is stopping you from buying Amazon stocks wherever you work. So even i have Amazon stocks in my portfolio so there goes the only stock advantage anyone claims. See anyone can argue with any numbers of points and they will be very well countered cause after all its Amazon but the truth stays.
- On a serious note, Amazon does hire average L4s from college but it treats it top employees really good. It promotes leadership and some people can thrive under it and some cannot. I have never worked more than 40 hours a week. Hear my story, I joined Microsoft right after college. I was surprised by the shit quality of engineers at Microsoft. Even some L63 at Microsoft were horrible technically. I left Microsoft after 2 years reaching only L60 and joined Amazon at L4 with starting L5 salary. I work average 40 hours a week. I look forward to going to work whereas I hated the shitty work as well as attitude at Microsoft. Long story short I made L5 at Amazon in a year and 3 months and then L5-L6 in 2 years
- Microsoft always errs on the side of under leveling, because they don't want to hire someone into a level where they may not be promoted for a long time.
This is especially true for l64, because promos at 65+ are slow and difficult.
Depending on your trajectory, you may be better off taking that level 64 position and being in the top of the performers versus being in the bottom of the 65s, as bonus, etc may be better.
But, you'll probably be most better off if you take a Facebook or Google offer.
- Oracle Facebook!That's a solid offer from MS. What don't you wait for FB? Their E5 offers are better than any FANG.
- yeah, they said they can pay at principal level but not giving L65:( Dont think this is principal either.
- No it isn’t. If you’re significantly above target, it can be, but that’s not useful to consider here.
Salary for 65 is ~180-190, target bonus is 20%, target stock is 36K over 5 years. That’s not 300k. Even if you say 190k base and have the full 36k vesting each year, that’s 264k.
- As I said before, new hires with big stock grants are special. That’s what they meant by his L64 offer being at L65 pay. They meant his TC will be comparable to average people at L65 who’ve been at the company a while or didn’t get above-average sign-on grants. The standard stock grant offers for industry hires are 4-5x the target stock award at that level (basically jump starting your stock grants so that it’s as if you’ve been getting target at that level for 4-5 years). If you get something larger, then you’ll be doing better out of the gate than people who’ve been there and hitting target at that level.
Leaving sign-on awards out of it, getting above target rewards at 65 can definitely get you to 300k or a bit beyond.Jun 16, 2018 1
- Microsoft melvIf you get an offer from Google or FB take it. They give garbage stock refreshes at msft .
Level 64 targets 24k stock per year spread out over 5 years. Level 65 is 35.
Ask the recruiter what the stock levels are for your level and compare to goog/fb.
- I agree. High comp at 64 is good position to be in. And if you are good they will promote, which is how they keep talent, and you build momentum if you are considering a long term career in the company. 65 will make you feel great but you may be under pressure and scrutiny too early.
- Microsoft / Eng DhxjsjjnmoreThink about this. If you join Microsoft and get promoted to L65 after a few years, and when you move to Google, FB or Amazon, they will give you senior title only. When you join G or FB, and get promoted to L6 or E6, you will move as equivalent level at other companies or high level principal at Microsoft (L67 or even partner).
- Microsoft globalistNot an engineer so take this with the pound of salt it comes with....
It seems to me that, based on conversations on blind, you're better off taking an offer from Fb/G at this time. If you're resume/career building, they show up better than MS does currently. Plus, it seems top be easier to move to MS from Fb/G than vice versa. You can also use any pending stock vesting to negotiate with MS if you want to switch.
- As others have said, bringing you in at 64 is really a good thing for you. The pressure to perform at 65 starts day 1 and you will have no time or room to learn.
At 64, you can take the time to learn your space, get to know peers and the organization without any review pressure. Not uncommon to get promo'd to 65 the next year once you've got your feet under you.
- My 64 offer was 185k, 200k/4 years, and $60k sign on. So you could try for more base.