Microsoft L64 offer

Dell / Eng kupi0609
Jul 12 23 Comments

Hello,

- Can people please evaluate this offer for 64 SDE (redmond).
Base:185, Annual Stock: 50K, Sign-on: 50K (plus annual bonus and refreshers)

- Have 10 yoe plus MS plus tech-lead for a long time. Already a principal eng in my current
organization.Not able to negotiate for level 65.
Is it too tough to get in MSFT as a 65?

Thanks for the suggestions.

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  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

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    Brazukamore
    Looks pretty good. Without competing offer it would be hard to get more.
    Jul 12 2
    • Dell / Eng kupi0609
      OP
      Hi,
      - Thanks for your views.
      - What's your comment about my second question (level 65)?
      Jul 12
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      2-5 years for a good performer
      Jul 12
  • Microsoft Fireballz
    Don't join as L65. You will have a tough time getting amazing reviews given the others in your peer band. Join as a senior, milk the level, then ease into principal position. L64 is a great spot to accumulate experience and prove yourself.
    Jul 12 4
    • Dell / Eng kupi0609
      OP
      Sure, makes sense. What's your opinion about the offer?
      Jul 12
    • Oracle stpd
      Don’t listen to this advice in general. My Microsoft manager played the same game with me saying this exact thing. How it is awesome to be better at current level than mediocre at upper level.

      This is a trick to not promote you. Promoting from 64 to 65 is highly political and managers don’t wanna go through that hassle. They have their own ass to protect.
      Jul 12
    • Microsoft jPzm21
      Promoting to Principal requires VP knowledge of your work and their approval. Getting decent rewards at Principal requires the same. If you can’t get to the level, how do you think you’d be successful there?
      Jul 12
    • Microsoft Fireballz
      @stpd I gave advice based on sitting in on 10s if not 100s of performance reviews. When you join MS first, don't be greedy and hardball negotiate yourself into a band where you will have it tough and straight away get bad reviews. You can negotiate a higher TC while being easy on the level.
      Jul 12
  • Microsoft vTk96
    L65 is really hard to get because of diverse loop requirements for that level. Hiring managers are not allowed to hire someone at L65 unless they have already interviewed at least two diverse candidates. So most hire exclusively L64 or lower because of how long it takes to find two diverse candidates to interview.
    Jul 12 3
    • Nutanix Kindling
      Can you answer my question above?
      Jul 12
    • Dell / Eng kupi0609
      OP
      Understood. Looks like 65 is really tricky.
      Jul 12
    • Dell / Eng kupi0609
      OP
      Btw, whats the upper level 64 offer would be?
      Jul 12
  • Nutanix Kindling
    What is the L65 cash bonus and stock bonus percentage? How many years will it take for L65 to L66 as IC, if you are a L65 IC?
    Jul 12 2
  • Dell / Eng kupi0609
    OP
    Hi Guys, received my offer and have a Qs. I dont see the annual stock (refresher) amount is mentioned in the offer letter. It just says that you’re eligible to receive the annual stock awards. Is that the way it works?
    Aug 2 1
  • Dropbox mb5hi
    This is FB SE2 TC though
    Jul 15 1
    • Amazon JSU did
      FB and MS are different
      Jul 15
  • Unity tRJT78
    What does l64 mean
    Jul 12 1
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

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      Brazukamore
      Levels.fyi
      Jul 13
  • Amazon JSU did
    235k + ~55k cash bonus + ~37k stock bonus?🤔 seems good
    Jul 12 1
    • Dell / Eng kupi0609
      OP
      Yeah almost!
      Jul 12