Microsoft (MSR+AI) L64 offer

Apple Icml2017
Oct 17, 2018 13 Comments

Base: 190K
RSUs: 320K (equal vesting in 4 years)
Bonus :15% for ME rating (0-30% range)
Joining Bonus: 60K

So, it’s around 300K TC for next 3-4 years, leaving aside joining bonus. Microsoft’s RSU refreshes is very low (compared to my current job at Apple) and I won’t even consider it in TC calculation.

I know these numbers (esp RSU’s are low compared to FB/G L5 offers) but overall does it look decent for Microsoft offer at this level? This is for a research scientist position in MSR/AI team and I liked the team a lot. According to the recruiter these numbers are high for L64 and they had to push a lot to get these numbers approved but again these are just recruiter talks.

I don’t see a significant jump in TC compared to my current role at Apple (ICT4) though I liked the MSR team much more and won’t mind switching with similar TC.

Any thoughts on the offer?

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TOP 13 Comments
  • Microsoft gfba68
    This is an l65 level offer, so very good for 64
    Oct 17, 2018 0
  • Facebook lonb84
    Something to note: AI&R != MSR. It seems like you’re aware of this, but just in case, AI&R is the parent org and also includes Cortana and bing and other product facing teams.
    Oct 17, 2018 1
    • Apple Icml2017
      OP
      Thanks, I am somewhat aware of this. I think they are still doing some reorg (based on the feedback on the day of my interview) and computer vision related research scientists are being moved to Hololens division.
      Oct 17, 2018
  • Great offer, higher than average listed on levels.fyi
    Oct 18, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Product @zzz
    Offer looks solid for 64, infact probably even in 65 ballpark.
    Oct 17, 2018 0
  • Apple Icml2017
    OP
    Updating the old thread; got a revised offer that I will likely accept:
    Base: 190K
    RSUs: 400K (equal vesting in 4 years)
    Bonus :15% for ME rating (0-30% range)
    Joining Bonus: 120K (split into 2 years)

    Everything else remains the same; level is L64. Overall is the expectation for L64 very high? I guess it’s team specific. A colleague of mine moved from ICT4 at Apple to L64 at Microsoft and was saying the workload is similar.
    Jun 4 2
    • Microsoft idknbd
      That's an L65 level offer. You did good. L64 expectations are reasonable. You can't slack but you don't have to move mountains either.
      Jun 4
    • Apple Icml2017
      OP
      Thanks; I feel ICT4 at Apple is equivalent to L64 at Microsoft. So it’s a senior level role but not in Principal band like ICT5 at Apple or L6 at Google.
      Jun 4
  • LinkedIn NoHabla
    YOE and location ?
    Oct 17, 2018 2
    • Apple Icml2017
      OP
      Redmond; 8-9 years YOE
      Oct 17, 2018
    • LinkedIn NoHabla
      Solid offer, congrats
      Oct 18, 2018
  • Salesforce Refratbeb
    Bull shit offer, People who are stuck there are making less. Laterals are getting 1.5x especially if you have competing offers
    Jan 26 0
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    Ms67897

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    Ms67897more
    Good offer. I am at almost same TC at L64.
    Oct 17, 2018 0