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CA Technologies 99994
Sep 27, 2018 25 Comments

Hi, I am Principal software engineer at current job. Got offer from Microsoft but they level me down to senior software engineer (level 64)

I interviewed for Principal software engineer at Microsoft.

Thoughts ? Can I negotiate on title ?

10YOE

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  • Microsoft DOyu71
    No you cant negotiate on title and you probably dont want to. At 64 you're competing with other 64s and 63s. At 65 (principal) you're competing with 66s and 67s including managers. So at 65 you potentially have to have the same impact as so.eone sho runs a 100+ person org.
    Sep 27, 2018 5
    • Microsoft / Product ishhhsss
      this is totally incorrect.
      Sep 27, 2018
    • Microsoft / Mgmt Javas
      That’s correct
      Sep 27, 2018
    • New / Eng Informer
      At 64 you’re compared with 64s. At 65 only 65. Comparison is at level not band.
      Sep 27, 2018
    • New / Eng Informer
      But yep principal impact is a diff ball game.
      Sep 27, 2018
    • Microsoft bOxK
      You can totally negotiate on title. How do I know this? I did it myself! They were down leveling me and I told them to go f themselves. Came back with the level/title I was looking for.
      Oct 1, 2018
  • Microsoft / Mgmt Javas
    10 yoe - Senior is fine . Being principal at Ca is not equal to Microsoft principal - Microsoft principal is a much larger role than “principal” as a term - some companies give principals liberally
    Sep 27, 2018 3
    • CA Technologies 99994
      OP
      Thanks for info, how many YOE require for PSE level ? What percentage of Microsoft employee are PSE ?
      Sep 27, 2018
    • New marble
      Check http://levels.fyi, each level should have crowdsourced YoE
      Sep 28, 2018
    • New / Product iTryTo
      YoE has got nothing to do with being principal. I know folks who made partner in 12yrs, principal in 6-7 years and those who stayed senior w/ 15 yoe and principal w/ 20+
      Oct 3, 2018
  • Apple / Eng bKzf48
    I have 3 yoe and MS offered me L60 with TC that’s almost half of my current TC. Is it pretty common for MS to do this?
    Sep 27, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Product ishhhsss
      Just tell them that you make 2x as much already and will need them to re-level you and come in higher. If they demand proof, just show them your current comp.
      Sep 27, 2018
    • New / Eng poRd04
      Good teams pay competitely. What org in msft did u interview with?
      Sep 27, 2018
  • Ms down levels industry hires unless you are from fang. Apparently work done by engineers outside of fang is not as valuable as those from fang.
    Sep 27, 2018 2
    • Apple / Eng bKzf48
      I was kind of offended by the L60 offer when I have 3 yoe and make twice as much at Apple :(
      Sep 27, 2018
    • New / Product iTryTo
      You were making 250k at Apple? Sounds like bollocking.
      Oct 3, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product ishhhsss
    What does the comp increase look like?
    Sep 27, 2018 2
    • CA Technologies 99994
      OP
      10% increase in base but got RSU
      Sep 27, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product ishhhsss
      It’s probably a good deal for you then. Sounds like your title doesn’t equate to the same title at MSFT. Its definitely harder to come in as principle, especially if your current comp is just 10% below their offer. I’d fight for more and aim for principal, but it may be worth settling at 15% more.
      Sep 27, 2018
  • Microsoft tKvD07
    L65 is incredibly difficult to get as an external hire because the policies for approval of an L65 offer are prohibitive.
    Sep 28, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Product ishhhsss
      yep. true.
      Sep 28, 2018
  • Microsoft benaam
    I’ll suggest, if you think you interviews well, push for principal position.. getting promo after coming in harder, it will take u at least 2 years to get to Principal.. negotiate level.. don’t settle on 64 unless you are desperate to get out of CA..
    Sep 27, 2018 1
    • CA Technologies 99994
      OP
      Thanks
      Sep 28, 2018
  • Microsoft Facevalue
    How many years are you in current role at CA? I would say it would map to lvl 63 in most teams. 64 in some liberal teams.

    I worked in CA before. With given Broadcom acquisition, I would say you got the best offer.
    You should target to find success in lvl 64.
    Sep 27, 2018 0
  • Zillow Group / Eng
    nuvk72

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    Can you share details of your offer?
    Sep 27, 2018 0

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