Microsoft offer

Cisco KyHD72
Mar 19, 2018 38 Comments

I received a job offer as SDE1, even though I gave interview for position of Senior Software Engineer at Redmond.
My offer is:
Base: 119k
Stocks: 40k
Joining bonus:20k
Bonus: 0-20%
I have 5 years of industry experience.

My question is how does the downlevelling work. The recruiter mentioned I had a yes from all of the interviewers, but still I am being given SDE1 role. My current base is 125k in bay area. Do I have room for negotiating to higher bands like SDE2? I am relatively happy with my current job and due a promotion this cycle

Edit: I was able to negotiate the offer to 134k base, 75k RSU over 4 years and 30k joining bonus as SDE2 level 61. I also did not have a counter offer.
Sorry for late edit, as I had issues at personal front!

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  • New / Product
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    Ipsos
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    You wouldn’t get Senior at msft coming from Cisco. This seems like a level 60 offer from base. You can ask for level 61. Which will push base by roughly 10k. Which would be an SDE 2 offer.
    Mar 19, 2018 3
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Why is that? If recruiter would have told me such, I would have never interviewed in the first place.
      Mar 19, 2018
    • New / Product
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      Exceptional senior sdes have 5yrs work ex at msft. Also if you’re at a senior level they bring you at 62 and promise promotion to 63 in a year to test the waters.

      Do you really want me to explain my first line? Also seems like you’re new to interviewing recruiters always down level. Amazon does it more than Microsoft. So be careful in the future. All the best; don’t mean to be a dick. Just giving it to you plain.
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Thanks your comment is useful!
      Mar 19, 2018
  • Yahoo 8'7 Korean
    40k/4years? Is this for seattle?
    Mar 19, 2018 5
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Yes it is for Seattle
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Microsoft BTlk17
      The stock for industry hires sucks at Microsoft. I was hired as an SDE 2 and I got 30k stock
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Microsoft itssecret
      I got 5k
      Mar 20, 2018
    • CareerBuilder AgnewsHead
      I got $300k
      Mar 24, 2018
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      I have edited my post for current number of 75k over 4 years
      May 7, 2018
  • Microsoft
    Malar

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    Malarmore
    Downlevelling is based on your experience and interview performance - you are free to not join, but this is what Microsoft calibrated you for. What if Microsoft would have rejected you - as you are not senior in Microsoft terms - you would have still complained ? It’s good that the team has other positions - I would have likely said - no hire
    Mar 19, 2018 2
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      I am not saying I will get senior. But I expected sde2! Also I will not complain if a company does not hire me, but if a company offers me and then tries to give a low offer, I will definitely complain.
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Microsoft
      Malar

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      Thats reasonable - you should be considered for sde2 atleast
      Mar 19, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Foods
    For 5 years xp, that strikes me as pretty low. While Redmond is cheaper than CA, from what I know of MSFT new grads are getting better offers at least in terms of stock and signing bonus.

    I would recommend asking for considerably more (perhaps +6k salary, double equity? But that’s just a wild guess - I’ll let you do the Glassdoor salary research), and weigh heavily the fact that you could wait for the promotion and then leave with better prospects for getting a higher title / comp
    Mar 19, 2018 2
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Yeah I will negotiate! From Blind/Glassdoor, I am getting the range for SDE2 as 125-150k, and for senior at level 63 150-170. Disappointed with the offer! Guess will look somewhere else
      Mar 19, 2018
    • New / Product
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      They wont give you level 63/64 aka senior. It’s a pretty big deal at MSFT.
      Mar 19, 2018
  • Facebook oras8
    Iikely you didnt do well in all interviews.

    Yes from all interviewers doesnt mean a Senior. And Senior with 5 yrs exp. is a stretch. Ask for sde2.
    Mar 19, 2018 1
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Thanks I was able to get that
      May 7, 2018
  • Microsoft Lulu10
    When I interviewed they new what I made currently and gave me a competitive offer. If they don’t know your current salary maybe they have room, but if they do, they intentionally gave you that offer and doubt you are going to negotiate. I tried to negotiate a couple things but they blocked me.

    How bad you want the job? That is your answer
    Mar 19, 2018 8
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      They don't know my current salary. I want the job, but I won't accept the offer at current level. I will stay at my current job if things do not go well. Btw how do they decide the level?
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Microsoft Lulu10
      Then negotiate and see what happens. Nothing to lose right?
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Yes I will do that.
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Microsoft for_real_
      You can only negotiate hard if you got nothing to loose, if you will be like I like the job but can you please give me SDE2. Nope not gonna get it.
      Mar 19, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng oAjk20
      If they don't know then it's easy to say this offer is well below my current compensation therefore I can't consider it. Tell them your current compensation is much higher.
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Microsoft for_real_
      You could, but be prepared to look stupid to the hiring manager and already start as immoral if they don't budge and you take the offer
      Mar 20, 2018
    • Grab Ssatay
      You can possible negotiate the pay but I doubt if you can negotiate the level. At MS, interviews differ from group to group, but most will give a hire recommendation based on how they see your potential but set the level based on your experience. If they underlevel you, then you will get promoted fast. If they overlevel you, then you won’t perform and you will get fired.
      Mar 21, 2018
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      I was able to get a higher level after negotiation
      May 7, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng psbutton
    A friend of mine had a similar offer. He rejected and asked for SE2.
    2 weeks later the recruiter reached out again, and bumped up the offer to SE2.
    If you aren’t desperate, I suggest you reject and hope for the best.
    Mar 19, 2018 1
    • Cisco KyHD72
      OP
      Yes that is true! You have to be prepared to walk out!!
      May 7, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Harmar
    You can try for SDE2. You might get it, you might not. If you nailed the interview it probably would have already been at least SDE2, though.

    That said, $119K in Redmond will go a lot further than $125K in the Bay Area. It's a definite upgrade in the salary department.
    Mar 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft AchieveMo
    I negotiated from SDE2 to Senior SDE when I was hired. I believe it is ultimately up to the hiring manager.
    Mar 19, 2018 0
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    yMcg47

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    yMcg47more
    Low balling. Ask for higher
    Mar 19, 2018 0
  • Epic noBj07
    Did they ask you how much are you earning currently? Just wondering.
    Apr 16, 2018 0
  • Amazon Takshtbiaj
    After how many days of onsite did u receive the offer? Is it With azure or which org? Thanks
    Apr 3, 2018 0
  • Microsoft newms
    Dude, tell them your current level and salary.... based on that negotiate as best as you can!
    Also, with 5 year exp you can expect good sign on bonus as well
    Mar 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Lessonzz

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    Lessonzzmore
    How many years in US and Cisco? Leveling heavily depends on teams. For example, Bing org will give better levels than others. I have seen Ph.D graduate from top 20 coming in as 59-60 while no name college Ph.D. from overseas country coming at 61-62. What is also common is disregarding overseas experience. I know many Europeans who worked > 7 years in their countries but they all came at 60. That was severals ago though. Of course, they got promoted pretty quick.
    Mar 19, 2018 0
  • Facebook oras8
    Base is not bad. Ask for sde2 and $130k base. Stock is 40k? Is that per year?
    Mar 19, 2018 0
  • Apple Fuckwork
    Lowballed
    Mar 19, 2018 0

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