Microsoft offer eval

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Jul 2 36 Comments

Got a verbal offer from the recruiter finally after a month of to and fro due to a mistake made by recruiters during my interview. Last week they literally called and rescinded the offer and that is when I had to give up and ask if they can give me the previous level 61 they offered in first place(was asking for 63 with 10 YOE). Need to make a move to Seattle due to family so need it :(. Still i never thought I’ll be lowballed to this level.
Let me know what you think about these numbers and what should I expect as per my negotiation.

Offer details
Base 125K asked 140k
Stocks 30k/4 asked 60k/4
Joining 10k asked 30K

Honestly, this Tc is less than my current , but 2 income > 1 and this willing to move but not at that lowballed offer.
Recruiter reluctantly told me that she will talk to the program manager again and let me know. Communication with this recruiter has been really choppy so it makes it even harder for me to negotiate.

Update: Revised number:

Base :130
Stocks :50
Joining :15

Scheduled to speak with Hiring manager as well.. hopefully some thing good comes out of the call.

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TOP 36 Comments
  • Apple xUEdsjT
    Why is Microsoft still embarrassing themselves like this? Newgrads who join at 59 are getting higher than that.
    Jul 2 4
    • Tesla InmR60
      New grad pay = L62 at Microsoft
      Jul 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      Even I have heard the same. RSUs for new grads are insane.
      Jul 2
    • Tesla InmR60
      My friend 0 yoe got 115k base 150k stock and 70k signon over 2 years
      Jul 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      Wow. I wish I can forward this thread to my recruiter as my reason not to take the offer.
      😝😝
      Jul 2
  • Oracle / R&D TLead
    Okay all critique aside, I have 2 YoE. Interviewed with MS and got an offer. 120k base, 130k In stocks over 4 years, 50k sign on bonus for L60. I think you could ask for more sign on, stocks and maybe a bit more in base. I know MS won’t offer a big base but you could definitely ask for 135k base with 10 YoE.
    Jul 2 3
    • Spotify iPNh35
      It honestly sounds like he tanked the interview
      Jul 2
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      Perhaps, but this is lowballing to a great level.
      Jul 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      Got great reviews on interview with only one remark for a simple algo question which was “didn’t have another way”.
      How do I know this? Because the product manager I spoke to last month told me so.
      What actually happened is that mid interview I realized that the resume interviewer is holding in front of me is not mine. There was an error from the recruiter in their system and my resume got mixed up with some other guy with same first name and 2 YOE. They gave my interviewer the correct resume on the interview day, but never changed my resume in their portal and thus most of the review gave a 60-61 hire mark with really good feedback.
      Also, my recruiter was changed mid process which added to this turmoil.
      Anyways this is not the end of world, worst case I just stay where I am and try more.
      Jul 2
  • Tesla InmR60
    Wow. I have 1 YOE and got 145k base 10/year tock and 20k signon
    Jul 2 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      OP
      That’s nice. Congrats.
      Jul 2
    • Tesla InmR60
      I'm saying you deserve more
      Jul 2
  • Microsoft / Mgmt Dunph
    10yoe? Lvl 61? Wow. What level are you at gs?
    Jul 2 1
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      Can’t say that here for obvious reasons, but here is a hint we are very common..
      Jul 2
  • Apple onepunch
    Don’t do it
    Jul 3 0
  • Microsoft Dunkin🍩
    WTF? Have some freakin self respect. There’s shit ton of tech companies in Seattle.

    Only reason I would accept this offer is to move here and have time to interview in a year or earlier.

    They should have at least offered L62. It’s the same band as L61.
    Jul 2 8
    • Microsoft Dunkin🍩
      Yes, I have. Worked with a guy who was hired as L60. Got bumped to L62 in about a year because he was consistently debugging and fixing kernel code that even L63+ took longer to do.

      A lot of this depends on your direct manager and skip. If they both want to, they can totally make it happen.
      Jul 2
    • Microsoft Dunkin🍩
      One little secret about MS. Managers (direct and skip) have a lot of power over who lands where and what thy get. Especially for lower levels.
      Jul 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      That’s nice to know. Pretty sure I’ll not be that guy, don’t have any luck what so ever in such things. 🤦🏻‍♂️
      Appreciate the info though, thanks.
      Jul 2
    • Microsoft Dunkin🍩
      Luck. LOL. There no such thing for the most part.

      If you can consistently impress your manager’s peers and skip’s peers (needless to say your direct chain), it’s possible.
      Jul 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      Speaking Yoda “ effort more than luck one should depend ”
      Jul 2
  • New
    paperback

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    full0 metal0 alchemist0000
    paperbackmore
    Your major reason is family & 2 income > 1. You can make a move with this & keep trying. It shouldn't be hard to score in Seattle. Probably interview didn't go well for you or recruiter has better options. MS is still a great name to have when interviewing other places. Nobody will ask your level at MS during a switch, it's derived from yoe & your knowledge/interview performance,. So go ahead & keep looking, you'll be absolutely fine.
    Jul 2 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      That’s the plan, but somehow feels wrong in taking a lower TC and on top of that getting lowball as heck..
      It has been a good minute from the last time I saw a sub 140k base for me.
      Jul 2
    • New
      paperback

      New

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      full0 metal0 alchemist0000
      paperbackmore
      Nothing is stopping you from trying out other places in parallel which you should anyway. This is just a fallback to help your moving decision if nothing else works. You can always tell them that you got a better offer and move on.
      This is infact a great fallback to support your family decision of moving places with 2 jobs. Many people have to move with just 1.
      Jul 2
  • PayPal jjsiikajj
    Role?
    Jul 2 2
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
      gokusanmore
      OP
      SDE 2 -L61
      Jul 2
    • Booking.com / Other
      Punani

      Booking.com Other

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      🤬🤪🥴🥺🤫😜🤦‍♂️
      Punanimore
      Isn't that TC for SDE 1? Even Amazon pays better than that and they are known for being frugal
      Jul 3
  • Spotify iPNh35
    Lol I have 3 YOE and have 145k base at a company that is known to pay less than Microsoft. Your life sucks hahahaha turn that shit down
    Jul 2 1
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      OP
      I mostly will. Thanks
      Jul 2
  • Pinger / Eng create💻
    If it's less than your current tc, of course it's no good! And everyone on blind will say "lowball"
    Jul 2 1
    • Goldman Sachs
      gokusan

      Goldman Sachs

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      Morgan Stanley
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      OP
      Agree, but can’t pass it on without a solid reason as Mrs has already started making plans.. grrrr. Trying to get more interviews, but don’t know if I’ll have enough time.
      Jul 2
  • Paychex vv_.
    Look at the bright side, moving to Seattle will open more opportunity, and as you said 2 income > 1. While the offer not the greatest, it’s good for starting in seattle. Then work from there.
    Jul 4 0
  • New raising
    Jul 3 0

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