Microsoft offer usually start this big?

New / Eng nightdrive
Nov 12 21 Comments

Offer is from Microsoft for SDE2 in Redmond:

Base 145
Stock 15/yr 4y vest
Bonus 35k

TC 195k

Much higher than I was expecting for opening offer. Can this be negotiated up at all? Seems really stock-light and base-heavy... what should I counter with?

I have 5 YoE

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TOP 21 Comments
  • Microsoft PkachuFace
    Sign on not really tc..
    Nov 12 0
  • Microsoft ajboy
    Stocks should be higher 120-160k for 4 years
    Bonus payout is only 50% of target so be prepared for it
    Nov 13 6
    • Microsoft ajboy
      Your target bonus for a year is 35k
      I am saying according to performance reviews at Microsoft, average performer gets 17-18k which is 50%.
      And this is pre-tax
      Nov 13
    • New / Eng nightdrive
      OP
      Oh. Why? Do they deliberately mark your performance down, or is it standard to just get 50% for meeting expectations?
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft LSCE1ms
      @ajboy isn’t correct. Your bonus range is $0-$35K. Target being $17.5K. The range is on a scale of 0%-200% rewards, so $17.5K is 100% target.
      Nov 13
    • Microsoft ajboy
      This is better explanation
      Nov 13
    • New / Eng vuSa81
      :D It's funny how only numbers got you happy
      Nov 13
  • Microsoft iandroid
    Base and bonus are solid. Stock should be way higher
    Nov 12 4
    • New / Eng nightdrive
      OP
      How much higher? Can SDE2 at Microsoft TC clear 230k? 250k? I didn’t think that was reachable until Senior-level
      Nov 12
    • Cerner frogmetal
      +1 stock should be higher. I got L61 140k base and 140k stock with 3 YOE. I had a competing offer though with a similar breakdown.
      Nov 12
    • New / Eng nightdrive
      OP
      @frogmetal was your total comp on that 61 around 200k year 1? I have competing offers too, I’m trying to figure out where Microsoft’s hard limit would be on a 61/62...
      Nov 13
    • Cerner toolplex
      OP, sorry my usernames not frogmetal anymore lol. 140k base + 35k/year stock + 30k signon + 14k bonus(assuming 10%) comes to around 220k first year TC.
      EDIT: This is probably the highest they will go for a L61.
      Nov 13
  • Indeed Inbeed
    Background / YOE?
    Nov 12 0
  • Target horsepower
    OP: when did you complete your interview? Is this a hiring event?
    Nov 13 3
    • New / Eng nightdrive
      OP
      Late October. Not a hiring event exactly, but something similar. Why do you ask?
      Nov 13
    • Target horsepower
      I gave their interview on Nov 1st and want to understand if you have given it at the same time as well. They gave me the offer today.
      Nov 13
    • New / Eng nightdrive
      OP
      Congratulations on the offer. Yeah I had mine earlier than you, took about 12 days to hear back.
      Nov 13
  • Oracle Chairman🐱
    Is that a sign on bonus or an annual bonus?
    Nov 13 1
    • New / Eng nightdrive
      OP
      Annual bonus, he hasn’t offered any sign-on yet
      Nov 13
  • PayPal owo owo
    What's your yoe/background? That sounds like what my new grad friends are at, maybe with less base more stock less sign-on
    Nov 13 0

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